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In the playoff era margin of victory matters
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:01 PM
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So this is probably going to be an unpopular opinion but the defensive starters were pulled too soon. I understand playing 2nd team players so they get playing experience but that was ridiculous at the end of this game. You had players who are never going to play except during a blowout so the excuse of building depth falls flat. These players aren’t depth you are depending on. Look I don’t like it just as a lot of you out there don’t like it, but sorry margin of victory matters in a playoff scenario. At the end of the year the playoff committee is only going to see the score 59-35 not that the majority of the NCST scoring came against 3rd, 4th string, & walkons. So get mad if you want but that is the reality. It’s not just about getting in the playoff. It’s about the playoff seeding as well.
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:03 PM
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Obviously they need the experience. 2nd and 3rd team players need that game time experience to get better! Why do you think we were so good in our championship runs? We were able to play our backups a lot and hence they got better
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:07 PM
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The guys we were playing were backups to the backups. So no these guys are not going to add anything substantial to the improvement of the team. Look, I have no problem playing 2nd team players & even some 3rd teamers, but that was ridiculous at the of the game.
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Team Captain [459]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:18 PM
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That last 40 something yard TD was Absolutely ridiculous with 10 seconds left . Why see how a walk-on handles that situation? Could have at least few guys deeper. You never know, down the road 59-28 looks a lot better than 35. But maybe they’ll remember it was 59-14 after 3.
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Orange Elite [5550]
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I agree 100%***
Sep 21, 2024, 4:03 PM
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National Champion [7109]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:04 PM
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With 12 teams it doesn’t matter as much as it use to. Just win. Depth and fresh starters will matter more with all these extra games.
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Legend [6723]
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The Spread Was 18.5 Points...We won By 24
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:04 PM
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Chill
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Asst Coach [843]
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Re: The Spread Was 18.5 Points...We won By 24
Sep 21, 2024, 4:08 PM
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This is the way
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Rival Killer [2843]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:04 PM
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Margin of victory does not matter if you win your conference.
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1st Rounder [605]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:09 PM
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Still matters in the seeding even if you get a bye. It mattered when there were only 4 teams & it will matter now with 12.
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CU Medallion [19702]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:20 PM
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With every P4 champion guaranteed a bye and a home playoff game for the quarterfinals - to me a seed doesn’t matter as much as game experience and depth creation for when the injuries happen late season
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1st Rounder [690]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:39 PM
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Conference champions do not receive a home playoff game.
Seeds 5-8 in round 1 get the home game. Conference champs seeded 1-4 get a bye but will play their first game in the bowl rotation.
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Commissioner [1211]
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This^^^should end this thread^^^ ****
Sep 21, 2024, 5:48 PM
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Orange Elite [5352]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
Sep 21, 2024, 5:23 PM
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No, but at least it gives you something to complain about after we win by 3 touchdowns with 4 & 5 string players. Enjoy the bit..chin.
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Head Coach [963]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:05 PM
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Those are alot of words...too bad I didn't read 'em 👍
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Legend [6723]
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How Dare you Use Fact!
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:08 PM
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No Pudding for you!
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Clemson Icon [27997]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:06 PM
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So this is probably going to be an unpopular opinion but the defensive starters were pulled too soon. I understand playing 2nd team players so they get playing experience but that was ridiculous at the end of this game. You had players who are never going to play except during a blowout so the excuse of building depth falls flat. These players aren’t depth you are depending on. Look I don’t like it just as a lot of you out there don’t like it, but sorry margin of victory matters in a playoff scenario. At the end of the year the playoff committee is only going to see the score 59-35 not that the majority of the NCST scoring came against 3rd, 4th string, & walkons. So get mad if you want but that is the reality. It’s not just about getting in the playoff. It’s about the playoff seeding as well.
Win the ACC and we're in
SMH at some of y'all...
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National Champion [7109]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
Sep 21, 2024, 4:07 PM
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They are clueless.
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Rival Killer [2843]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:08 PM
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Exactly! And to be honest if we aren’t good enough to win the ACC the playoffs should be a stretch anyway.
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Hall of Famer [9046]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
Sep 21, 2024, 4:08 PM
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I completely agree
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:10 PM
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If I told you Tbursday, Clemson was going to win by 24 and over 100 players would play, what would have said? That's what I thought.
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Ring of Honor [23659]
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LOL
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:13 PM
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New Playoff era, TOP 4 RANKED Conference Champs get auto bid and first round bye. the Committee has NO CHOICE LOL
You DA's whined, got called out, now you IDIOTS are grasping at straws to excuse your IDIOT behavior .
phukoff
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1st Rounder [605]
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Re: LOL
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:16 PM
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Still matters how those 4 bye teams are seeded. It mattered when only 4 teams in playoff & still matters. You want to be seeded high as possible . That’s all I am saying.
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Re: LOL
Sep 23, 2024, 12:13 PM
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Margin of victory doesn't matter. Game control does, and we had that.
The Big Ten and SEC champs are getting the first two seeds. #3 is pretty much as high as you can go.
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Ring of Honor [23744]
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Everyone on that committee knows today was a epic @sswhipping for NCSU.
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:31 PM
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Having experienced depth on your team also matters.
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1st Rounder [605]
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Re: Everyone on that committee knows today was a epic @sswhipping for NCSU.
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:34 PM
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Most certainly does. So play 2nd team players & 3rd team players. At the end of that game the majority of the defensive players that were on that field was neither. These players are not players you ever considered to be part of your team depth.
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That is not true...
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:33 PM
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You win your conference and all the games by one point and you are in the CFB playoffs. Rankings will not look at margin of victory at all.
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1st Rounder [605]
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Re: That is not true...
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Sep 21, 2024, 4:37 PM
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100 % false. Margin of victory mattered when only 4 teams & will matter with 12. May not be the most important variable but it will matter. It’s only human nature to judge a team by how badly they beat everyone on their schedule.
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1st Rounder [690]
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Re: That is not true...
Sep 21, 2024, 4:42 PM
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Bro you’re not wrong but you’ll never get the majority here to see that.
Yes winning the ACC guarantees us top 4. But like you said margin of victory will matter when seeding 1-4 .
The higher the seed the easier the matchup. So like you said… I fully agree MOV matters.
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Game Changer [1983]
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Efficiency ratings matter more than margin of victory
Sep 21, 2024, 4:36 PM
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and these rating systems typically ignore garbage time plays. We absolutely dominated the early part of the game, and we’ll get the credit we deserve.
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Commissioner [1211]
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"typically ignore", have any empirical..
Sep 21, 2024, 5:44 PM
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evidence to support this claim...
notions rooted in 'wishful thinking' don't qualify.
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Game Changer [1983]
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It's very common knowledge that most efficiency ratings filter out
Sep 23, 2024, 11:32 AM
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garbage time. PFF is one of the few exceptions, but it's largely used for player grading anyway rather than team-based ratings.
FEI, FPI and S&P+ definitely use it, but they don't exactly like to share their methodology. The last I saw, Bill Connelly (creator of S&P+) filters out for garbage time are as follows:
1st quarter: a team is ahead by 43+ points
2nd quarter: a team is ahead by 37+ points
3rd quarter: a team is ahead by 27+ points
4th quarter: a team is ahead by 21+ points
It's been a few years though since I last saw his methodology.
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Dynasty Maker [3135]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
Sep 21, 2024, 4:43 PM
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If the committee does their homework like they should, and watch the games this is a non issue.
It was irritating though.
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Rock Defender [50]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
Sep 21, 2024, 4:44 PM
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That’s why the stadium was pretty empty in the 4th qtr
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Orange Elite [5352]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
Sep 21, 2024, 4:54 PM
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Wrong. Everyone knows that we would have put up 80 if we had wanted. Margin of victory won’t matter.
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You Truly Have No Clue...Win ACC And Get Top 4***
Sep 21, 2024, 4:56 PM
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Re: You Truly Have No Clue...Win ACC And Get Top 4***
Sep 21, 2024, 5:15 PM
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Seeding still maters even if you are top 4. It’s not all about just getting in the playoff or just getting a bye. You want the highest seed you can get & with the ACC already being seen as the inferior conference to the big10 & SEC seeding matters. So yes margin of victory is probably more important to Clemson than it is to a SEC or Big10 school. That’s just reality.
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Re: You Truly Have No Clue...Win ACC And Get Top 4***
Sep 23, 2024, 12:43 PM
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That's yet another point to undercuts your argument. The SEC and the Big 10 are pretty much guaranteed to get the top two seeds, because of their reputations. Realistically, the best that the ACC Champion is going to get is the number three seed. That's especially true if the ACC Champion is clemson, given that we already lost to georgia.
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Solid Orange [1372]
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Sammy Brown was out there at the end
Sep 21, 2024, 5:22 PM
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He’s not a backup of a backup of a backup. And yes the committee does consider it was a blow out and Clemson was playing non-starters.
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Commissioner [1211]
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No, no, no the negativity..it's just too much..
Sep 21, 2024, 5:33 PM
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Boohoo, please...this is an echo chamber for mindless, vague positive affirmations..not a football discussion forum! I beg of you, have a heart!
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Game Changer [1832]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
Sep 21, 2024, 5:34 PM
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Let's be honest, if Cade gets hurt because we are trying to make the fan base happy by winning by 60 then people are going to go nuts. We were up 42-7 and they way we played in the first half the last 2 games then the seeding won't matter.
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Valley Protector [1466]
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The HC makes this call
Sep 21, 2024, 5:58 PM
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I’ll go with what he decides.
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Rival Killer [2896]
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We're taking something for granted here
Sep 21, 2024, 10:30 PM
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and that is that Clemson will most definitely win the conference this, and every other, year.
Miami might just be for real and we come one point short of them on a very bad day. Then we don't have a bye and we're at the mercy of a committee. It makes a huge difference if we are the #7 or #10 seed.
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Dynasty Maker [3146]
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Screw the playoff . . .
Sep 21, 2024, 11:21 PM
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If you can't reward all those guys that worked hard and don't get to play very often b/c of some bureaucratic horsecrapery at the CFP committee meetings, then the blood and passion in college football is truly gone. Let those guys play. The score was out of hand, those guys put in blood, sweat and tears, and they deserve it.
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Commissioner [1259]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
Sep 23, 2024, 12:09 PM
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Margin of victory does not matter. The committee doesn't look at scores. They watch games and film.
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
Sep 23, 2024, 12:11 PM
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Clemson potentially has 17 total games to play.
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National Champion [7562]
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Re: In the playoff era margin of victory matters
Sep 23, 2024, 12:24 PM
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Follow me here :
If you have a selection committee, you should hope/pray they have sufficient knowledge of the game and the nuance of gamesmanship. Playing over 100 players should not hinder/hurt a program, it should actually elevate them.
If you have watched Clemson football in the first half this year, they are a top 5 program no question. Offense struggled game 1, defense held UGA down. Games 2 and 3 were over mid-way through 1st quarter.
Any committee should be dismantled if it cannot objectively see that Clemson is very much a legitimate CFP program through 3 weeks. Just seeing a final score means very little, things happen in a hurry and certain teams do things differently. Some care about ALL of their players and getting them on the field to play meaningful snaps, not just 1 series. Our 2nd string does not get the reps, and mingling 1st and 2nd string could be helpful but honestly the 2nd string is not winning a ballgame for you so why bother. They are to provide depth, fill spots as needed due to injury, not to be a full squad out there trying to help Clemson win a game. CDS does it the right way and I love it.
So what NCSU scored 35 points, good for them...they still lost, and by 24 points. The game was never in doubt, victory secured by end of 1st quarter.
This team is rounding into shape and I cannot wait until Saturday against Stanford, hope we can get another 100+ players in the game and if a committee or people do not like it, shame on them.
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Anyone with a brain can see we were up
Sep 23, 2024, 12:28 PM
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52-7 early in the 3rd quarter and realize nothing that happened after that matters at all.
I will say that our 2nd and 3rd stringers on defense are well below the level they used to be though. Hopefully we don't get hit with a string of injuries.
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No, it certainly does not.
Sep 23, 2024, 12:42 PM
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The POC plainly said many times that margin of victory is excluded from the ranking and selection of teams.
I agree with them, it makes no sense being that players could have been injured against one team and able to play two weeks later.
The logic behind margin of victory ranking is akin to the merry go round about team A beating team B and team B beating team C and the reasoning which leads one to assume that team A could beat team C.
It's coot logic.
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Campus Hero [13855]
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I think margin of victory has value, but you have to filter out garbage time
Sep 23, 2024, 1:21 PM
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stats to use it properly. Most advanced metrics do this year having certain thresholds that are a function of the score and time remaining. Once a game triggers that threshold and enters garbage time, the stats are no longer incorporated in the data. Our game against NC State was probably already in garbage time at the half.
Anyway, the committee has a "game control" stat that is a more PC version of margin of victory. They to value it, and I've heard it cited in their justifications of team rankings.
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Dabo is putting our eggs in the "Win the ACC and We're IN" basket. That is
Sep 23, 2024, 12:50 PM
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pretty much the way it had been, until the Committee screwed FSU last year.
The 12 team Playoff came a year too late. Last year was a PERFECT example of why more than four teams should have been in. Georgia had a valid claim, but they couldn't put them in over Bama, who beat them to win the SEC. And, they couldn't put them in over Texas, since Texas BEAT Bama. And, Washington had beaten way too many ranked teams for THEM to get left out. So, somebody was going to get screwed, and it wound up being Georgia AND FSU.
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In the 12 team playoff era
Sep 23, 2024, 12:58 PM
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If you get left out for something as minuscule
as that, you don’t deserve to be in it. This isn’t the BCS computer systems. Whatever drivel you wrote is completely nonsensical. It’s 12 teams dude, 12!
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