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Orange Beast [6412]
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This topic could be Religion but
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Jan 12, 2025, 7:21 PM
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it's on the fence.
The United Methodist Church is in decline, as are many denominations. I'd submit one reason the UMC is in decline is their insistence on propagating this Social Principles document.
Here's some of what it says:
- We acknowledge that unsustainable human activities have placed the entirety of God’s creation in peril.
- Global warming and climate change are already creating extreme conditions that threaten the entirety of life on earth.
- A sharp upsurge in greenhouse gases over past decades already has resulted in a steady rise in sea levels, growing acidification of the world’s oceans, increased droughts and famines, and the
intensification of extreme weather events
- In pursuing alternatives to fossil fuels, it is critical to avoid solutions that would worsen current problems or create new, unforeseen environmental challenges. Reliance on nuclear energy, for example, raises considerable concerns regarding the safe storage and containment of radioactive waste
- We confess that the negative impacts resulting from the degradation of the natural world have fallen disproportionately on marginalized communities, including Indigenous tribes, religious and ethnic communities, people living in poverty, and other vulnerable groups
- We believe that corporations and businesses, like all other human institutions, are charged with doing good, promoting equity and justice, and making positive contributions to communal life. We call on corporations and businesses to place people above profits.
Not sure why the church has to immerse itself in such topics. Some of the other content is not as offensive.
https://www.umcjustice.org/documents/124
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [104524]
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Clemson Conqueror [11954]
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UMC is declining because of old farts that want the church
Jan 12, 2025, 7:51 PM
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to support and even foment hate against people who aren’t Trumpy and various LGBT folks. Our hardcore MAGAs left and went to a gay hating church and some went Catholic, irony huh?
UMC and traditional denominations are declining because of old farts across the board. Congratulations, y’all’s godlessness shot up the church like a drive by on a rival gang. Blame yourself, not change or growth, or those who support change and growth.
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Valley Protector [1422]
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Re: UMC is declining because of old farts that want the church
Jan 13, 2025, 9:24 AM
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to support and even foment hate against people who aren’t Trumpy and various LGBT folks. Our hardcore MAGAs left and went to a gay hating church and some went Catholic, irony huh?
UMC and traditional denominations are declining because of old farts across the board. Congratulations, y’all’s godlessness shot up the church like a drive by on a rival gang. Blame yourself, not change or growth, or those who support change and growth.
“Growth”? Very interesting comment-not sure what you mean by that because that is not what has happened in the UMC. Also using the word “Our” implies that you are part of the UMC.
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Clemson Conqueror [11954]
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Our is there for a reason.
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Jan 13, 2025, 12:23 PM
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I was brought up in the UMC and Ms Slac and I brought our children up in the UMC. We’ve taught classes, 4 years of Disciple Bible study, led 2 more…we’re familiar. It was heartbreaking to see so many of our congregation tie their faith to their politics and ultimately divide a church.
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Valley Protector [1422]
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Re: Our is there for a reason.
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Jan 13, 2025, 3:38 PM
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I was brought up in the UMC and Ms Slac and I brought our children up in the UMC. We’ve taught classes, 4 years of Disciple Bible study, led 2 more…we’re familiar. It was heartbreaking to see so many of our congregation tie their faith to their politics and ultimately divide a church.
Many would argue that UMC tied their faith to politics and caused this result.
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Clemson Conqueror [11954]
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Nice bounce pass, but youd be very wrong about my church.
Jan 13, 2025, 5:24 PM
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The division came directly from older members who were loudly Trumpy. It’s a little understandable at the time because Jeff Sessions was a member, but the ugliness definitely came from them. Nothing they espoused remotely resembled anything from the teachings of Jesus. They ridiculed the pastor and his gay teenager…it was just phukkin ugly.
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Orange Beast [6412]
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It is the reverse in our church
Jan 13, 2025, 7:02 PM
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We love the pastor but his wife is a flaming extreme liberal, posting on FB every day - cringe-worthy posts at that.
It drove many people away from the church as did a few more outspoken libs. I would not say those folks were over the top though - they kept their opinions to a normal tone of voice as opposed to yelling.
We raised our kids there and still go some, but we make sure the offering does not go to "the big church."
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Game Day Hero [4472]
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Re: It is the reverse in our church
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Jan 13, 2025, 7:07 PM
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It’s a shame that stuff gets in the way in churches. I can sincerely say politics is never an issue in my church and never has been. I consider that a blessing.
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Paw Warrior [4915]
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Re: Nice bounce pass, but youd be very wrong about my church.
Jan 13, 2025, 10:26 PM
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The division came directly from older members who were loudly Trumpy. It’s a little understandable at the time because Jeff Sessions was a member, but the ugliness definitely came from them. Nothing they espoused remotely resembled anything from the teachings of Jesus. They ridiculed the pastor and his gay teenager…it was just phukkin ugly.
I am sorry if members did not follow Jesus’s teachings. On the other side my in-laws church did not agree with the changes at the national UMC level and were told they could not split from UMC unless 100% of the members voted to leave and if not, they would have to make a large payment to leave UMC. So, this goes both ways.
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Clemson Conqueror [11318]
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Re: This topic could be Religion but
Jan 12, 2025, 7:55 PM
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it is supposed to decline bigly, its in the book
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Clemson Icon [25274]
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Re: This topic could be Religion but
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Jan 12, 2025, 8:00 PM
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Weren't leaders of 'Religion' the enemies of Jesus Christ and his followers?
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Paw Warrior [4915]
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Re: This topic could be Religion but
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Jan 13, 2025, 4:59 AM
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Religion is declining because Christians have become exposed more and more as being FOS. The last decade has proven that to anyone who is objectively paying attention that the church doesn't really believe and honor "Christian principles ". I'll give Trump full credit for exposing Christians as being the frauds and bullchitters that they have always been. 😆
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Tiger Titan [47088]
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Maybe just fewer people are buying into the BS
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Jan 13, 2025, 8:23 AM
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Even those who are still religious are tired of church BS.
And any of that offends you, maybe grow a thicker skin?
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Dynasty Maker [3147]
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Re: This topic could be Religion but
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Jan 13, 2025, 9:41 AM
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It is quite funny that they think god’s creation is in peril because of us humans…must not be much of a god.
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Clemson Icon [25274]
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Re: This topic could be Religion but
Jan 13, 2025, 9:53 AM
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God is not characterized by godless people no matter what they choose to call themselves.
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Head Coach [903]
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Re: This topic could be Religion but
Jan 13, 2025, 9:49 PM
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There's the dominion theory. You know that wasn't even a thing until the Koch brothers and Pat Robertson. At least not widely adopted.
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Clemson Conqueror [11318]
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Re: This topic could be Religion but
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Jan 13, 2025, 9:53 AM
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feel the hate in this thread, thats in the book also
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Game Day Hero [4472]
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Re: This topic could be Religion but
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Jan 13, 2025, 9:54 AM
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Yep. It’s actually promised in the book.
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Campus Hero [13973]
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Re: This topic could be Religion but
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Jan 13, 2025, 3:40 PM
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I think society has evolved and most realize that organized religion is generally bullshyatt. They might believe in God, but don't trust organized religion and the people that work in that field.
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Are you in the UMC?...
Jan 13, 2025, 4:41 PM
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Or are you in another denomination, or maybe a non-denominational church?
Just curious.
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Orange Beast [6412]
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Re: Are you in the UMC?...
Jan 13, 2025, 7:07 PM
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Yeah, I'm UMC and also agree with LW's post above that many people are seeing 'organized' religion as BS. Seems like this type of opinion got going strong with the Catholic situation that started years ago.
Many of my opinions on big gov't translate directly over to the big church. These are bureaucracies that are out of touch.
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Rival Killer [2916]
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OK got it...
Jan 13, 2025, 7:24 PM
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The growth in Christianity currently is in non-denominational churches.
Less bureaucracy, and more local autonomy.
I'm UMC myself. I focus less on the denomination and more on the local church, the pastor, getting along with other members, the local mission & service. Our pastor doesn't get into politics at all, and I don't feel any pressure to be "blue" or "red" within the congregation. I hope it remains that way.
I do think denominations are dying away. It was at one point mostly the Mainline denominations. But now the Southern Baptists and some of the other more conservative groups are also losing members.
The growth is in the "nones" (people who don't go at all) and in non-denominational.
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Orange Immortal [66514]
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I agree with this
Jan 13, 2025, 7:30 PM
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I try to just focus on our friends and the community and not the pastor who strays into politics too often.
Our church is actually roaring back and I am fairly certain it’s due to the “community” and not necessarily the message, but I will take it.
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Dynasty Maker [3147]
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Re: OK got it...
Jan 14, 2025, 12:15 PM
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A lot of “non denominational” churches are affiliated with a denomination, they just don’t advertise it.
NewSpring for example is a member of the SBC.
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110%er [3829]
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Re: OK got it...
Jan 14, 2025, 3:54 PM
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Agree. Our chuch is growing like crazy. It's non-denominational, which is essentially Baptist.
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Game Changer [1634]
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Re: OK got it...
Jan 14, 2025, 12:51 PM
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I posted about this a while back, maybe the boards were together then
Organized religion is a dying org. For various reasons
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Dynasty Maker [3147]
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Re: OK got it...
Jan 14, 2025, 2:26 PM
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I think the days of full time pastors are coming to an end. Even a lot of those at traditional churches supplement their income nowadays but I don’t think churches are going anywhere. The influx of money seems to be declining though which is why I think the traditional structure is changing. Younger generations do not give their money like the boomers did.
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Clemson Conqueror [11318]
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Re: OK got it...
Jan 14, 2025, 3:32 PM
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God needs money?
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Head Coach [913]
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Re: This topic could be Religion but
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Jan 13, 2025, 5:31 PM
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Just observation and deduction. I see a propensity for obesity. Poverty. A yen for fairy tales. Folks puttin' what few bucks they do have into a little wicker basket being passed around. I think it's safe to say nobody here's gonna be splitting the atom, Marty.
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Orange Immortal [66514]
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The only reason we still attend
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Jan 13, 2025, 6:24 PM
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put Methodist church is because it’s where we got married and our kids are super comfortable there as they have grown up there.
I am not doing a rock band nondenominational either. So I am kind of at a loss as what to do. Stuck.
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Game Day Hero [4472]
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Re: The only reason we still attend
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Jan 13, 2025, 6:59 PM
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We all get comfortable and change is difficult. I’m “comfortable” at my church but overall I would say I’m very happy there also. It’s not perfect and as long as the church is made up of humans like me it will never be perfect. I’ve been there 32 years so it looks like I’m staying. I guess the only thing that would make me leave would be a “first tier” theological issue.
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Re: The only reason we still attend
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Jan 14, 2025, 12:05 AM
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You go because you have to, and have no say in the matter.
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Tiger Titan [47088]
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Head Coach [903]
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Re: First, actually read the teachings of Jesus for once. Then go from there.***
Jan 14, 2025, 8:05 PM
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If you want to take his teachings without the divine aspects, you can order the Jefferson bible that all new congressman and senators receive. It's not technically a religious document.
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Dynasty Maker [3147]
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Re: The only reason we still attend
Jan 14, 2025, 10:23 AM
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I just wonder what you guys are gonna do when you get to heaven. You can't sit in a pew for an hour together and get along but you expect to for eternity.
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Tiger Titan [47088]
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Heaven is sure gonna be awkward when...
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Jan 14, 2025, 11:31 AM
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Manac has to share it with the people he hates for political reasons and the disable kids he mocks. Maybe he can lead an insurrection to storm God's temple?
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Valley Protector [1422]
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Re: The only reason we still attend
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Jan 14, 2025, 1:10 PM
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I just wonder what you guys are gonna do when you get to heaven. You can't sit in a pew for an hour together and get along but you expect to for eternity.
You profess to not be a Christian but yet you are telling Christians what they can’t do in heaven? No one is listening to you.
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Dynasty Maker [3147]
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Re: The only reason we still attend
Jan 14, 2025, 2:23 PM
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No I’m just wondering how he is going to spend eternity with people like Cata pointed out that he detests…
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Head Coach [903]
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Re: The only reason we still attend
Jan 16, 2025, 8:37 PM
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A number of people still believe in a segregated heaven. That belief was really common a couple generations ago.
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Game Day Hero [4472]
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Re: The only reason we still attend
Jan 17, 2025, 7:27 AM
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Ok sure.
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Head Coach [903]
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Re: The only reason we still attend
Jan 16, 2025, 8:35 PM
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A few Trumpers might make it to heaven. Will they be allowed to smear their feces on the walls like they did in the Capital?
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