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Caitlyn Clark
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Jun 4, 2024, 9:58 AM
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I am not at all savvy about pro basketball men or women. Help me understand what is going on with all of these vicious fouls on CC. Is it indoctrination into the wnba?
Seems to me she has upped attendance and viewership and should be thanked for same.
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Happens in sports all the time, and basketball for sure. The new, highly touted
Jun 4, 2024, 10:11 AM
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player and the one trying to make their mark gets roughed up a bit. Hell, even happened to Jordan several years into his career when the Pistons were trying to hold him back.
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Pistons were not trying to hold Jordan back
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Jun 4, 2024, 10:53 AM
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they were holding every one back
Labron James would have a 10 points a game and nightmares of #40 and #44 if he played back then
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Re: Pistons were not trying to hold Jordan back
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Jun 4, 2024, 11:46 AM
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LeBron would have excelled in the 80s/90s era of ball. The dude came into the league 6-8/250 with point guard ball handling and passing skills. As a prospect he was basically a stronger and more athletic version of Magic Johnson.
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Re: Pistons were not trying to hold Jordan back
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Jun 4, 2024, 12:57 PM
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Nah, Laimbeer, Mahone and Rodman would have beat him down.
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true.. can't score when you are laying on your back.
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Jun 4, 2024, 1:12 PM
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even Mr nice guy John Salley would be coming at him back then.
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Re: Pistons were not trying to hold Jordan back
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Jun 4, 2024, 4:38 PM
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Lol, you could just say you don't actually understand how much of a genetic freak specimen LeBron is. I get it, you dislike him and probably haven't watched NBA ball in 20+ years, but LeBron's physical capabilities are probably unmatched in NBA history. Laimbeer and Mahorn would have stood no chance at staying in front of him. Rodman was giving up at least 40 (probably closer to 60) pounds in his Pistons days. And zone or mixed zone defenses were completely outlawed in the NBA until the early 2000s. LeBron would have feasted in that era. His first 4/5 seasons were played in the statistically most challenging era to score inside in NBA history and he averaged 27/7/6.5. No one, Bad Boy Pistons included, would have been capable of holding him to 10 a game.
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Re: Pistons were not trying to hold Jordan back
Jun 4, 2024, 6:11 PM
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And in case you don't believe me, here's Bill Laimbeer himself saying LeBron would be the best player of his (Bad Boys) era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1J8SOqAmnA
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Re: Pistons were not trying to hold Jordan back
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Jun 4, 2024, 6:57 PM
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He never was known for being very smart.
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Re: Pistons were not trying to hold Jordan back
Jun 4, 2024, 8:39 PM
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I think Laimbeer knows a little bit more about the kind of basketball player that would excel against him than you do.
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Re: Pistons were not trying to hold Jordan back
Jun 4, 2024, 11:56 PM
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I know you do. Hence, my point.
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Re: Pistons were not trying to hold Jordan back
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He’d flop every play.. and complain about every non call (which would be a lot in that era) on the offensive end of the floor and forget his team needed 5 on defense… not sure how effective he could be in that scenario, even though as you stated he is an athletic freak.
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Re: Pistons were not trying to hold Jordan back
Jun 4, 2024, 8:53 PM
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He'd be conditioned to the way the game was called then. Again, he was an exceptional interior scorer in the statistically most challenging era to play in the paint. And for good measure toss in that his passing would eviscerate teams. He would have excelled in that era.
And implying he's not capable on defense? Prime LeBron was an exceptional defender. Only 13 players since the 1968-69 season have more first team all-defense selections.
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Re: Caitlyn Clark
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Jun 4, 2024, 10:14 AM
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From the perspective of the women in the league, I think that they feel as if, despite their hard work, they’re only getting attention from this new girl who everyone is obsessed with. It also doesn’t help that she’s white (they think that’s why she is more popular). I disagree with their sentiments, and definitely with their actions, but that’s at least what I think it is
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Did someone ask them, or is this another Clay Travis ploy to make money
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Jun 4, 2024, 10:17 AM
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off of outrage from the flock?
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Simple as this : women generally dislike other women w/success
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Jun 4, 2024, 10:15 AM
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It really is as simple as this. Sad but true, success scares some people and they out act like a petulant child around it.
You have a women's basketball league that loses tons of money year in/year out...now CC comes along and blows up with her Steph Curry like style, and becomes immensely popular. That success is somehow bringing negative attitudes from players in the league that feel they are as good and talented. While this may or may not be true, they are simply jealous of the success and attention she receives.
The league "should" be thankful, but competition breeds contempt if it is in the heart. And there is a lot of unsportmanslike cheap-shots at her expense. She is a trash talker, so she has some of it coming because if you run that mouth you are going to get tested.
At some point this will all settle down, but the league is loving the attention and money coming in for the time being. I have no interest in wimmens bball, but others might and this should help the league continue on for a while.
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it would behoove her to changer her sexual orientation and then changer her race
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Jun 4, 2024, 10:19 AM
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then she'll get treated like the queen of the WNBA that she is...
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Re: it would behoove her to changer her sexual orientation and then changer her race
Jun 4, 2024, 10:37 AM
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Or sue to play in the NBA.
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It's is being fueled largely by envy and racism.***
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Jun 4, 2024, 10:38 AM
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Envy, yes. I wish someone would explain how this is all racism? Seems to me
Jun 4, 2024, 11:05 AM
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it would happen if she wasn't white if she came in with all the hype in the world, and having such an enormous cult following. If all the players were racist, wouldn't it happen to some of the existing WNBA greats, Stewart or Ionesco or others in the past history of the WNBA?
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If she were black and most others were white, you can
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Jun 4, 2024, 11:23 AM
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be sure it would be called racism, and racism alone, and consequences for those doing the bullying would be swift and severe. Tell me I’m wrong.
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Thanks for not answering the question, or offering anything of substance.***
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Jun 4, 2024, 11:33 AM
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Thanks for ignoring the truth.****
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I don't care one iota what may or may not happen in some fictitious scenario
Jun 4, 2024, 12:06 PM
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and then have that effect how I view this one. Why would I waste time and thought of that? This seems like a somewhat normal situation that happens in sports with a new brash player entering a league and I wanted to understand what people are seeing to make a mountain out of a molehill, just wanted to understand it.
But if most think like you seem to be doing with this, maybe there is nothing happening to truly insinuate racism?
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Re: I don't care one iota what may or may not happen in some fictitious scenario
Jun 4, 2024, 1:07 PM
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pretty overt racism imo
ill meet ya halfway and say 50-50
you just called her brash by the way - which is an insult
i don’t care about ze clarks are the wnb nobody watches a - just calling it like i sees it
to deny the racism element is ignorance
unless you believe there is only one group of people in this country with that character trait
i mean if watching the one chick bound off the bench in celebration didn’t clue ya in
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You don't think Clark is brash? I watch her a fair amount, I enjoy watching her
Jun 5, 2024, 6:22 PM
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and I think she's brash. I actually see it as a part of her success, her confidence.
Maybe I just don't view that description as a negative in her situation. I'll can go back and rethink the term I use I guess.
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Re: most racism claims are fictitious scenarios***
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Jun 4, 2024, 1:16 PM
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especially when they involve a couple Nigerian dudes and an actor’s journey for a sandwich
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Re: If she were black and most others were white, you can
Jun 4, 2024, 3:48 PM
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My friendly advice to you is to not waste anymore time with this back and forth. It’s like you’re talking to a wall.
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There was no surge in popularity...
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Jun 4, 2024, 12:18 PM
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when the others you mentioned entered the league. Things remained pretty much status quo (i.e., poor ticket sales, attendance, and TV viewership).
However, with Catlin Clark's arrival on the scene, there has been a significant renewed interest in the league that has also resulted in an increase in TV viewership, ticket sales, and attendance. I wont even get into the shoe deals, endorsements, and media attention. The existing players are now envious because none of this was occurring on their watch and some have even gone so far to say this is largely because Caitlyn Clark is white. It couldn't possibly be because she is a great player and a solid role model with a high level of character and integrity. In other words, the exact type of person, regardless of race, who league executives would want to be the face of the league.
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I agree, she 'could' be a once in a generation talent (she has to prove it in
Jun 4, 2024, 12:31 PM
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WNBA) in her chosen sport, definitely on track to be a solid role model with a high level of integrity and character, much like Steph Curry or LeBron and many others who have paved that path in the NBA. Maybe moreso like Steph, as she's not physically imposing, in the playing sense.
It will be interesting to follow her career, the boon for viewership in the WNBA has been fun to see. Hopefully it continues.
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Im a Clemson alum as that seems to matter, but I assume youre referring to
Jun 4, 2024, 3:16 PM
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Wilson saying that part of Clark’s fandom is she’s white? I’m not sure but she seems to have been part of opening eyes of many of my friends - all whom never watched the WNBA and claim they don’t like the nba - to watch college basketball and now watch the WNBA for the first time. I don’t think her race (and size and style - much like Steph, another popular player) has hurt her in bringing all these new eyeballs into women’s college basketball and now the WNBA that’s for sure. Being attractive helps too, as it does with ALL gender famous people.
I’ve seen Wilson say some really complimentary things about Clark and her transition to the WNBA as well.
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Re: Envy, yes. I wish someone would explain how this is all racism? Seems to me
Jun 5, 2024, 9:09 PM
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She has a huge following. It's not that she "thinks" she does.
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Remember when Brianna Stewart came in as a star off of 4 straight natties and
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Got pounded every night? Me neither cause if it happened no one complained about. Sabrina Ianeascu came in being hyped by Kobe and no problems. Don't remember Sur Byrd having problems either. I guess those 3 aren't as white as Clark.
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my question is where are her teammates?
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Jun 4, 2024, 11:19 AM
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If the cheap shots she has gotten occurred in other sports leagues, there would be at the minimum some chippyness by teammates and players having to be held back from refs.
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Re: my question is where are her teammates?
Jun 4, 2024, 11:22 AM
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Well, I believe its deeper than going through rookie trials but it will never be addressed.
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Great question!
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Can you envision a scenario in football where a player would allow an opponent to take a free cheap shot at their QB. Such an occurrence would be met with swift retaliation in defense of their QB. CC's teammates did nothing.
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Jun 4, 2024, 11:28 AM
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It was a foul, but wasn't THAT hard of a foul. She probably would have stumbled but she fell mainly to get attention from the refs.
It's weird that the some complain about their money are trying to knock her out. If CC goes out, then attention will drop back to where it was. CC is the best thing going for the WNBA.
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Re: Caitlyn Clark
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Jun 4, 2024, 12:00 PM
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Jealousy and they think she is overrated.
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Starting to seem scripted to me.
Jun 4, 2024, 12:06 PM
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This is the most I've heard about the WNBA in it's 15 year existance.
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Re: Caitlyn Clark
Jun 4, 2024, 12:15 PM
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Pretty simple ..... called JEALOUSY!
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Re: Caitlyn Clark
Jun 4, 2024, 12:22 PM
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1) More fans watched Clark at Iowa than fans watch the NBA Finals and World Series.
2) Clark should begin martial arts training in the off season.
3) Similar to Charles Oakley and Rick Mahorn protecting Michael Jordan, and goons protecting Wayne Gretzky, Clark's team needs at least two goons to protect her.
4) If fans do not like the jealousy & racism exhibited to Clark, particularly among the most strident players, the solution is to cut off the TV and do not go to the WNBA games. Problem solved.
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Re: Caitlyn Clark
Jun 4, 2024, 1:32 PM
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I don’t watch pro bb men or women’s but I did watch espn take on the thug move put on cc recently. They tried their best to make the thug foul she took as acceptable because she is new to the league and she is paying her dues. Thats asinine. Anyone with a tad of intelligence knows otherwise and the thug should be excused for a few games . The league upgraded it to an intentional which the refs should have done at the time. Jealousy is a terrible thing and that’s part of the problem
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Seems like she benefits the entire league. They must be jealous.***
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All these fouls? Or the single one that we all saw?
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It might just be that an irrelevant player is trying to be relevant with a cheap shot on someone in the spotlight.
That perspective may not fit a lot of people’s narrative, but I think it’s entirely possible to be true.
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Re: All these fouls? Or the single one that we all saw?
Jun 4, 2024, 6:59 PM
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If gaslighting was a poster.
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Oh, you must watch far more wnba than I.
Jun 5, 2024, 6:03 PM
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Do you know about multiple egregious fouls or just the one?
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Jealousy.***
Jun 4, 2024, 6:56 PM
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Re: Caitlyn Clark
Jun 4, 2024, 6:57 PM
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It ain’t that complicated.
She’s white and getting attention the blacks have never been able to capture the last 20 years of the league’s existence. Kind of hard for a lot of people to unsee 2020-2021 and the tall girl who was traded from Russia for a dude who killed actual Americans
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not as simple as just being white though
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there have been white WNBA stars before. Taurasi, Stewart, Della Donne, Plum etc.
It's that plus the crazy college marketability.
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Re: not as simple as just being white though***
Jun 5, 2024, 8:32 AM
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Re: Caitlyn Clark
Jun 5, 2024, 12:57 AM
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I think it may be orchestrated a bit like Saturday “Rassling”. It’s bringing much needed hype.
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Re: Caitlyn Clark
Jun 5, 2024, 9:33 AM
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That wasn't basketball
dirty foul
and player on bench should also been thrown out
no place for it
She also is playing at a different level now
She has been handling it very well
They also need an enforcer and quite frankly none of her teammates did anything
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