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So are we canceling the Civil War now that it looks like the shooter is entirely
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So are we canceling the Civil War now that it looks like the shooter is entirely

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:04 PM
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uncooperative with burning MAGA desires for him to be trans, non-white, ultraliberal, and/or illegal? How unfortunate that it appears he is an alt-right groyper, even further right than Charlie Kirk, and part of a group known for showing up at Kirk debates to troll him for not being fascist enough. A Nick Fuentes disciple, for those unfamiliar with who/what groypers are. Fuentes had been feuding with Kirk for year now.

Are our board lunatics going to step away from the ledge? Or double down on the stupid? Crash, RTD, Kiwi, NCtiger23, and the rest of you? What say ye? Are we tired of right wing violence yet?

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Re: So are we canceling the Civil War now that it looks like the shooter is entirely

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:07 PM
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He was obviously trans. Trans are the only white people that kill people.

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:08 PM
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https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/if-the-shooter-ends-up-being-a-groyper-nobody-will-claim-to-know-who-fuentes-is-37342872#37342872

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Should probably add

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:33 PM
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That there's a more serious conversation to be had about these kids getting radicalized by online communities, but we'll never have it because those spaces are predominantly far right.

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thats the conversation that needs to be had


Sep 12, 2025, 5:18 PM
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these online chat rooms and groups are all like that. Left and right. They all "joke" about killing certain people or attacks. Its all trolling until the couple of them who aren't joking and do something in real life.

I was in a soccer chat group a few years ago that allowed someone like that in there who would say vile things. Sexist, racist against every group, violent. Would just say something extreme every day to try to trigger people and he would change from left to right all the time. Every ignored it and was like "oh thats just Lance being Lance"

That's what most of these school shooters are now. Just emotionless ironic trolling messaging while killing people.

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Being terminally online will break brains.


Sep 12, 2025, 5:28 PM
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I don't know what the answer is. It's not a surveillance state, but short of that, this will continue to happen, and probably get worse.

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Re: Should probably add


Sep 12, 2025, 6:39 PM [ in reply to Should probably add ]
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A means to an end.

Unfortunately.

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### are you babbling about?***

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:13 PM
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Have you ventured onto the P&R board, or anywhere else online, since

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:16 PM
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Wednesday afternoon? Have you seen the cries of "Enough is enough, we're not going to take it anymore! We're going to fight back against left wing violence!"?

That's what I'm babbling about.

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Re: Have you ventured onto the P&R board, or anywhere else online, since


Sep 12, 2025, 6:26 PM
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I've mostly seen lists of why people hate Charlie Kirk

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Re: ### are you babbling about?***

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:17 PM [ in reply to ### are you babbling about?*** ]
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The obvious. It should be hard for you to understand. I got what he was saying. Is it complicated for you? Do you need it rephrased?

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Why do you stick your nose into others battles, Carl?

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:24 PM
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Youve become the lunge bipolar busybody

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Re: Why do you stick your nose into others battles, Carl?

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:26 PM
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Listen you senile old hypocrite, it's your nap time. You don't see the irony of your post. Moreover, people can comment on any post, just as you did right there.

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So you dont think 19B can defend his posts?


Sep 12, 2025, 5:20 PM
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answer the question: Why are you a busybody?

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I guess I'm being a busybody by jumping in here....

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Sep 12, 2025, 5:29 PM
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But Ben -- it's a message board -- open conversation. That's how it works.

Why are you gatekeeping this thread?

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Re: So you dont think 19B can defend his posts?


Sep 12, 2025, 6:28 PM [ in reply to So you dont think 19B can defend his posts? ]
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Shouldn't you be minding your own business if you feel that way. Now scurry off find something to.make yourself useful.

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Re: ### are you babbling about?***

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Sep 15, 2025, 11:41 PM [ in reply to ### are you babbling about?*** ]
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Apparently it’s some conspiracy…looking for a reputable source but haven’t seen any so far

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Re: So are we canceling the Civil War now that it looks like the shooter is entirely

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:17 PM
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im guessing double down*

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Abolish Qualified Immunity


Some questions...


Sep 12, 2025, 4:30 PM
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So is a Groyper someone who is a fan of Nick Fuentes or is a Groyper something else that tends to be a fan of Nick Fuentes? This is the first time I've heard the term.

I knew Charlie Kirk pretty well (clips on Twitter of his debates and speeches, mostly) but I had never heard of Nick Fuentes until a few months back when there was some energy around he and Tucker Carlson having words. I was interested in someone right wing (I am assuming Fuentes is) beating down Carlson. So I watched him rant about Carlson. A lot of people hyped it up as a dismantling of Carlson but I thought it fell a bit flat. Anyway, that's all I've seen of him.

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I don't know a ton of detail about the culture, but I believe Fuentes

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:36 PM
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is roughly the founder/genesis of it at some point during Trump's first term. Remember the alt-right Pepe memes that were a thing for a while? Groyper culture. From Wiki:

"The Groyper movement has been described as white nationalist, homophobic, nativist, fascist, sexist, antisemitic, and an attempt to rebrand the declining alt-right movement.[4][8][9][10]"

Fuentes and his people disliked Kirk for not being far right enough, which is...pretty wild.

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Re: I don't know a ton of detail about the culture, but I believe Fuentes


Sep 12, 2025, 7:34 PM
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It's all pretty bizarre. In one of the Halloween pictures of the shooter, he's dressed and posed as a Pepe meme, squatting in a black Adidas track suit. This 4chan and 8chan (and 8kun) crap is where QAnon and most of the J6ers came from.

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This is a difficult thing to explain in 2025.

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:39 PM [ in reply to Some questions... ]
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A loose definition would be the online far right who thinks more moderate republicans aren't far enough to the right. Fuentes is the unquestioned leader, but it would technically be possible to be a groyper and not a Fuentes disciple.

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Also deep into 4Chan meme culture***

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Re: This is a difficult thing to explain in 2025.


Sep 12, 2025, 7:44 PM [ in reply to This is a difficult thing to explain in 2025. ]
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They are also antisemitic. That's just one of the major differences between Kirk and Fuentes.

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Re: Some questions...


Sep 13, 2025, 10:21 AM [ in reply to Some questions... ]
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Fuentes attended a dinner at Mar a Largo a few years ago and made big headlines. Where ya been?

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Sorry...where were these headlines? I don't watch news and


Sep 14, 2025, 2:10 PM
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may have just missed it. Do you have any links to the headlines he made when he attended a dinner? Did he make a speech or something?

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Alt right? Are you a fool or just retrdd? For real? Gd***

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You're right, it doesn't matter.

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:37 PM
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You'll figure out a way to convince your barely functional brain that the shooter is a lefty.

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Re: So are we canceling the Civil War now that it looks like the shooter is entirely


Sep 12, 2025, 4:36 PM
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Sooo...a fascist troll had anti fascist engravings on his rifle - that seems odd

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:42 PM
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1. The casings are meme/video game references. That one in particular is Helldiver.
2. Groypers consider anything more mainstream than themselves fascist.

If you're older than 50 (40?), you're never going to understand this guy through a traditional left/right lens.

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Re: So are we canceling the Civil War now that it looks like the shooter is entirely

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:44 PM
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I would have been shocked if it wasnt a white male, but thats just me. Sounds Ike he was a typical loner/loser type who was radicalized by the left online and decided to murder Kirk because he was a fascist, and all the cool kids online in their reddit rooms are very anti fascist.

Sounds like he was raised in a pretty normal family but only takes a few years for them to toss aside their families values and decide to become antifascist trash.

So its basically what many expected. Radicalized leftist who was convinced through left wing propaganda that people he didn't agree with were evil and should be murdered and unfortunately for CK he actually knew how to handle a rifle as well

I assume anyone with a brain knows the OP is FOS and that this kid wasnt murdering CK because he wasnt right wing enough. The OP is so brain dead he doesn't even belive Antifa exists so you should take everything he utters with a big old grain of salt.

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So we're still just making up narratives then.

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:45 PM
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Color me completely shocked.

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Is there even a radical left online?

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:48 PM
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That Demographic got scooped by by people like Kirk.

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There is, but it's not as organized and edgy as the alt right online***

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Re: So we're still just making up narratives then.


Sep 12, 2025, 4:49 PM [ in reply to So we're still just making up narratives then. ]
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Do you have a link to what you posted? I would like to better understand the anti fascist fascist who shot someone because he thought he was less fascist.

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I'll kinda defer to cac2011 on this one since I think he knows a bit more about


Sep 12, 2025, 5:04 PM
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the culture, largely because younger (lulz), but here's a good interview a came across a little while ago. Not so much focused on groyper culture, but an overall take on how radicalization manifests and how people from both sides of the political spectrum act on and react to it:

https://www.thetrace.org/2025/09/charlie-kirk-killing-media-extremism/

Here's a quote that resonated for me:

"So even if it turns out to be a Groyper, in the MAGA world, there’s MAGA and not-MAGA. And everything that is not MAGA — you could be a leftist, a mentally ill person, an extreme right-winger — it’s all the bad guys, the non-MAGA versus MAGA."

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Re: I'll kinda defer to cac2011 on this one since I think he knows a bit more about

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Sep 12, 2025, 5:17 PM
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Ultimately a young father got shot in the neck for giving a political speech...so whoever did it for whatever reason (it seems political), we're not in a good spot.

Thanks for the link

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Fully agree.

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Sep 12, 2025, 5:19 PM
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I didn't like Kirk or his views, but I would never wish that on anybody.

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Re: So we're still just making up narratives then.


Sep 13, 2025, 7:28 AM [ in reply to Re: So we're still just making up narratives then. ]
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https://x.com/thetonymichaels/status/1966714039569969268?t=46eECT2hlUlzzGvtjcgNQw&s=19

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yep - the dumbassery and comes to jounge uninvited with no tids

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:51 PM [ in reply to So we're still just making up narratives then. ]
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and gets owned in every argument.


#murica

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I for one am glad you are stopping. You are one of the most ignorant posters ever. You obviously think very highly of your own opinion, unlike the rest of us - RockHillTiger


"antifascist trash"

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:49 PM [ in reply to Re: So are we canceling the Civil War now that it looks like the shooter is entirely ]
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Wow, what a phrase.

... as opposed to "pro-fascism"?

I assume you were focused mostly on the property damage associated with anti-fascist protests -- but wow, that phrase just caught my eye.

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What a weird post. You are literally creating your own version of events

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:49 PM [ in reply to Re: So are we canceling the Civil War now that it looks like the shooter is entirely ]
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why? To make yourself feel better?

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Lol

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:53 PM [ in reply to Re: So are we canceling the Civil War now that it looks like the shooter is entirely ]
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But during question sessions on his 2019 campus speaking tour, Kirk repeatedly found himself facing critics from the right. Groypers—what acolytes of Nick Fuentes, the young white nationalist, call themselves—showed up to pepper him with thinly veiled white supremacist, Christian nationalist, and homophobic questions, sometimes even using explicitly Nazi terms. In what became known as the “Groyper Wars,” Fuentes would watch livestreams of the events, and egg on his followers, who even published guides on 4chan and in the neo-Nazi website, The Daily Stormer, on how to properly troll a Kirk Q&A: “Dress nice, be polite, remain calm, cool AND DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS RELATED TO [the Jewish question].”


https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/02/charlie-kirk-whiteness-turning-points-usa/

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Re: So are we canceling the Civil War now that it looks like the shooter is entirely


Sep 13, 2025, 10:24 AM [ in reply to Re: So are we canceling the Civil War now that it looks like the shooter is entirely ]
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all the cool kids online in their reddit rooms are very anti fascist.

Everyone in America should be anti Fascist IMHO.

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I haven't seen anything suggesting he was alt-right or a Fuentes disciple. Link?***


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I'm not saying this is the case

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:53 PM
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Take everything with a grain of salt, but apparently some of the messaging on the ammunition could be read as referencing meme culture that is common in the Nick Fuentes sphere.

Again, not vouching for that, but that is what has been mentioned.

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Re: I'm not saying this is the case


Sep 12, 2025, 5:00 PM
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I would like to know if this is something law enforcement has said or an X detective said.

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Law enforcement described/detailed the mssages

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Sep 12, 2025, 5:03 PM
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All sort of folks are attempting to interpret them.

Of course folks who see it as a team sport are trying to ascribe the meanings to the other side.

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Re: Law enforcement described/detailed the mssages


Sep 12, 2025, 5:21 PM
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I don't really trust things that all of a sudden blow up like this on the internet - maybe true, maybe not.

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Re: I haven't seen anything suggesting he was alt-right or a Fuentes disciple. Link?***


Sep 12, 2025, 4:56 PM [ in reply to I haven't seen anything suggesting he was alt-right or a Fuentes disciple. Link?*** ]
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It is true that I do not live in an online world. I have no idea who groypers are and how they are tied to the shooter. So a link would be nice.

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Give it until Monday

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:57 PM [ in reply to I haven't seen anything suggesting he was alt-right or a Fuentes disciple. Link?*** ]
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Patel and others are probably slow rolling this so everyone moves on, but the shell casings, demographics, and the Utah Governor saying his hatred for kirk and interest in politics increased in the last few years all paint a pretty specific picture.

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Make no mistake


Sep 12, 2025, 4:51 PM
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this war is raging. Maybe not on battlefields littered with the dead but in the living rooms and in the minds or every American. If you don't realize that by now you are already a casualty. While you try to score some message board gotcha points. The enemy continues their assault on the hearts and minds of the people of this country. Just take a look around. Some guy just got blown away and now both sides scramble to score some meaningless talking points. It is sad. It is pathetic and we as a nation deserve every single bit of the chaos that has descended upon us. Some on capitol hill clamor for stricter gun laws and others shout for permenant censorship and less freedom of expression. The enemy of freedom is winning and we are too stupid to see the real enemy.

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Re: Make no mistake


Sep 12, 2025, 4:55 PM
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You seem like you need mental help. Most of.Ametica is just chilling out enjoying lufe and not part of the mental war you are describing and that freaks you out. Most Americans aren't like that.

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I am not freaked out and...


Sep 12, 2025, 5:02 PM
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I am not scared. Just calling it like I see it. If you think all is roses in this country pass that #### on down. Don't bogart it all for yourself.

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Re: I am not freaked out and...


Sep 12, 2025, 5:06 PM
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It isn't all roses in this country. We have terrible.leadership.and the media coupled with internet is divisive. That said, most of America isn't consumed with it like.you are and never think about it. They have real world issues and are too busy living their lives.

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Re: I am not freaked out and...

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Sep 12, 2025, 5:12 PM
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Depends on your definition of consumed. Maybe concerned but certainly not consumed. I am heading to Homer in a few to see if I can haul some halibut up from the depths of Katchemak Bay and top of the freezer before winter. I will be out of cell service and am not sure how I will survive. But I will endeavor to persevere.

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You are constantly freaked out, Carl


Sep 12, 2025, 5:22 PM [ in reply to Re: I am not freaked out and... ]
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take your meds

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Re: You are constantly freaked out, Carl


Sep 12, 2025, 5:36 PM
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You're senile bro. It is so adorable. You are like a big child.now. You have no idea what you are saying. I realize you are tired of getting picked on due to how lost you are, but don't lash out on the normal.peolle. Now go take a nap fella. You are all tuckered out and lost and confused. Hang in there..

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I think we're all aware it's not roses in this country.


Sep 12, 2025, 5:18 PM [ in reply to I am not freaked out and... ]
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And it should also be pretty obvious where most of the violence is coming from.

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Sweet baby Jesus, this post was 100% a RESPONSE to people trying to score

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Sep 12, 2025, 4:56 PM [ in reply to Make no mistake ]
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message board points. This post doesn't exist if you idiots hadn't gone off the deep end before knowing anything about who the shooter was and declaring war on half the country. Take a break, fella.

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Anyone who posted that we need to tone down the rhetoric

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Sep 12, 2025, 5:00 PM [ in reply to Make no mistake ]
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here's your chance to prove you were serious.

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Narrator: "They were, in fact, NOT serious."***

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Re: Make no mistake


Sep 13, 2025, 10:29 AM [ in reply to Make no mistake ]
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VikingAK® said:

this war is raging. Maybe not on battlefields littered with the dead but in the living rooms and in the minds or every American. If you don't realize that by now you are already a casualty. While you try to score some message board gotcha points. The enemy continues their assault on the hearts and minds of the people of this country. Just take a look around. Some guy just got blown away and now both sides scramble to score some meaningless talking points. It is sad. It is pathetic and we as a nation deserve every single bit of the chaos that has descended upon us. Some on capitol hill clamor for stricter gun laws and others shout for permenant censorship and less freedom of expression. The enemy of freedom is winning and we are too stupid to see the real enemy.


Yeah but certain "friends" of the current administration are loving it. These "friends" reside in Russia, North Korea, China and several other non democratic countries.

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Sep 12, 2025, 5:15 PM
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there is absolutely no proof he was all right. He was unaffiliated politically and didn’t vote in the last election. He wrote fascist on the bullet shells. His social media had no political postings.

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Sep 12, 2025, 5:17 PM
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Yeah in the end it is some extreme MAGA dude's son.

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MAGA told me he was pro-trans, and

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Sep 12, 2025, 5:18 PM
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the president told me he was a leftist. Are you saying that’s not true? I’m shocked they lied and took this despicable act to further their political agenda.

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Re: MAGA told me he was pro-trans, and

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Sep 12, 2025, 5:27 PM
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It is kind of scary to see how these MAGA people are raising their children to become killers. It cost Charlie Kirk his life.

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Sep 12, 2025, 5:28 PM
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A former high school friend of Robinson told The Guardian that the suspect was “pretty left on everything” and “the only member of his family that was really leftist”. “The rest of his family was very hard Republican,” the friend said.

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-shooter-assassin-who-is-2lx7mh7x7

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Re: So are we canceling the Civil War now that it looks like the shooter is entirely

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Sep 12, 2025, 5:33 PM
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Since he is alive, maybe someone will ask the killer. "Sir, are you left wing or right wing? We're trying settle an internet argument." Because that's really what matters - sad state of affairs.

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It really is.***

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Board libs will be coming for you next for posting that. They hate

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Sep 12, 2025, 6:21 PM [ in reply to Re: So are we canceling the Civil War now that it looks like the shooter is entirely ]
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the truth.

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Re: So are we canceling the Civil War now that it looks like the shooter is entirely


Sep 12, 2025, 6:36 PM [ in reply to Re: So are we canceling the Civil War now that it looks like the shooter is entirely ]
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Rebelling against his extreme.MAGA father possibly.

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Im bringing this thread back to double down on my stupid***


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Re: Im bringing this thread back to double down on my stupid***


Sep 14, 2025, 2:20 PM
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https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/

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19B wrong az fk again. What a gd moron.***


Sep 14, 2025, 1:38 PM
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Re: 19B wrong az fk again. What a gd moron.***

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Sep 14, 2025, 2:12 PM
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No, no, no - what you are reading where he was living with his trans partner is fake news. He's a left wing right wing anti fascist fascist Republican.

The most important thing to remember is if the killer agrees with my politics, he was crazy. If he doesn't agree with my politics he is a political operative.


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Re: 19B wrong az fk again. What a gd moron.***


Sep 14, 2025, 2:16 PM
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I truly haven't seen anything where he was living with some trans partner. I would like a link with that info. It doesn't matter as far as the killing, but just wonder if people are making that up.

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JFC


Sep 14, 2025, 2:22 PM
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Romantic relationship/tranny partner, recently more vocal about politics, arguing with family members about right wing fascists, literally posting left wing propaganda online.

The only thing right about him at this point was his father; who turned him in to police.

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Re: JFC

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Sep 14, 2025, 2:32 PM
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Yep. The governor of UTAH said on meet the press or one of those shows that the guy/woman was a romantic partner.

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Re: JFC


Sep 14, 2025, 2:34 PM
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Thanks

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Re: JFC


Sep 14, 2025, 2:35 PM [ in reply to Re: JFC ]
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Longbstory short, Kirk's war on the Trans community got him killed due to this mentally ill dude.

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You mean his dialog?***


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Re: JFC


Sep 14, 2025, 2:38 PM [ in reply to Re: JFC ]
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I don’t like looking at things like that. We all have different opinions, no one should be killed for it.

I get angry when I see people use the word “######” since my son is mentally disabled but to this point, I haven’t picked up a gun.

And no one should have to worry that they may be assassinated because their opinion is different.

But I know that’s not what you meant, Carl.

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Re: JFC


Sep 14, 2025, 2:57 PM
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Of course.nobody should.be killed for.it. That part is a given. He was at war witn the trans community and some nutcase killed him. That is.the story. A very tragic story.

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Sep 14, 2025, 3:27 PM
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Given he got shot in the neck and bled out on stage, it might mean 'the trans community ' was at war with him. Real war is when you start shooting people.

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Re: JFC


Sep 14, 2025, 4:55 PM
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Not really. It means that dude that shot him was. Thebtrans community didn't like him obviously though and he spent his time trashing the trans community. They didn't agree. Only one dude decided fo murder someone though.

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Sep 14, 2025, 5:08 PM
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Can you show me a podcast or full video where he 'trashed' the trans community?

If I say I don't believe biological men can be women, and men who believe they are women are delusional, would you consider that 'trashing' the trans community?

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Re: JFC


Sep 14, 2025, 3:21 PM [ in reply to Re: JFC ]
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This will be the new talking point for some.

Can you show me some video links of his 'War' on the trans community. I don't want to see edited compilations or small clips.

Young Father of two got shot in the neck and bled out on stage for giving a political speech on a college campus, and...bu, bu,bu,bu, but

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Re: JFC


Sep 14, 2025, 3:25 PM
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Real liberals have a major problem with this. Fake liberals are in the 'bu, bu, bu, bu, but' crowd

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Re: JFC


Sep 14, 2025, 3:28 PM [ in reply to Re: JFC ]
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Cut and paste. My glasses are in the car and so O didn't read these. See if there is anything in there that would. Offend trans people.


Here’s a summary of Charlie Kirk’s public comments on transgender and gay people (just to clarify: there’s no credible evidence I found of “Chris Kirk” making major remarks; these are about Charlie Kirk). If you meant someone else, I can check.


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What Charlie Kirk Has Said / Done

Based on multiple reports, these are some of Charlie Kirk’s notable statements and positions regarding transgender and gay people:

He has said “there are only two genders,” calling transgender identity and gender fluidity “lies that hurt people and abuse kids.”

He argued that transgender women in women’s locker rooms should be “taken care of the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s and ’60s.”

In April 2024, he called for a national ban on gender-affirming care for transgender people; he also called for “Nuremberg‑style trials” for doctors who perform such care.

He has described being gay as an “error” and criticized the LGBTQ pride movement, for example likening it to encouraging drug addicts.

On same‑sex marriage and its aftermath, he’s expressed that marriage equality was “a national takeover of our laws,” and argued that the issue did not stop at marriage — meaning he believes further agenda or demands followed.

But at least once, he has welcomed a gay man to the conservative movement, saying that while Kirk doesn’t agree with that “lifestyle” from a Christian perspective, he believes shared political values matter, and that sexual orientation shouldn’t be the primary basis of identity.



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Context & Reactions

Many of his remarks have been condemned by LGBTQ advocacy groups for being harmful or spreading misinformation.

His rhetoric is part of broader debates in U.S. politics and culture about transgender rights, gender-affirming care, athletes,

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Re: JFC


Sep 14, 2025, 3:44 PM
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Put your glasses on.

War I tell you, war

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Re: JFC


Sep 14, 2025, 4:12 PM
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Yeah, well the trans community considers him an enemy. I checked it out. I read it. I can see why they dont like him. I will never understand why he was shot though.

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Sep 14, 2025, 4:53 PM
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He was shot because someone didn't like his speech

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Sep 14, 2025, 5:22 PM
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Yep. The opposing person on the opposite end of Kirk's objections turned out to be nuts and killed.him. Exactly. That insane person didn't like Kirk going after Trans people. He silenced him and Kirk's free speech. Tragic.

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You two are in over your heads.

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Sep 14, 2025, 7:35 PM [ in reply to Re: 19B wrong az fk again. What a gd moron.*** ]
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They already walked back the trans ammo, y'all really trust the trans lover theories?

If either of y'all want, please show your work and I'll hold your hand and explain it.

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Re: You two are in over your heads.


Sep 14, 2025, 7:37 PM
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So there is no trans lover?

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Still an open possibility, but it'd surprise me.

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Not because of ideology, but because the alleged shooter talked to his gaming buddies (the maybe trans roommate was not in these) in discord after the shooting and he seemed genuinely surprised by the trans lover theory. The other thing is both of these people were super online, and the best evidence I've seen is the maybe trans roommate posting in trans subreddits. He also posted in Jordan Peterson and reverse racism subs, so which is it? While not ruling it out, I have a hard time believing Patel or someone wouldn't immediately make a big deal out of the trans lover evidence if it exists. I've said it before, but I seriously doubt this is going to make sense for anyone over 50.

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Re: You two are in over your heads.


Sep 14, 2025, 9:09 PM [ in reply to Re: You two are in over your heads. ]
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/14/charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-roommate

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So no primary sources?


Sep 14, 2025, 9:12 PM
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"The governor did not elaborate on the evidence that investigators were relying on to establish Robinson’s relationship to his roommate"

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Re: You two are in over your heads.


Sep 14, 2025, 10:59 PM [ in reply to Re: You two are in over your heads. ]
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They have an agenda, which is to continue repeating lies until they can hopefully convince enough people who aren't really following the case that this was an alt right hit because CK was just a big old soft moderate. Regardless of how many links you post or what's in them they will pretend its all either unclear or, eventually, that its a conspiracy to blame it on their side.

Your mistake is thinking you're informing/discussing honest players who actually want to know what happened and why, when they have their agenda and no amount of information will matter.

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What side?


Sep 15, 2025, 8:09 AM
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I have very specifically tried to warn you that these people aren't going to fit neatly into a left/right/dem/republican box.

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Re: You two are in over your heads.


Sep 15, 2025, 8:18 AM [ in reply to Re: You two are in over your heads. ]
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Sir, the X detectives are on the case. Here's all you need to know - Nick Fuentes, meme game, and you can't trust anyone over 30. The main thing for you to remember is that he's ultra, ultra, ultra alt right conservative. Oh and, Charlie Kirk was the Devil incarnate.

It really doesn't matter what the shooter is. He assassinated a man who was giving a speech on a college campus, which is something that should be absolutely universally condemned without any 'yeah buts.'

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Re: You two are in over your heads.


Sep 15, 2025, 8:24 AM
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Don't forget groyper!!

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Re: You two are in over your heads.


Sep 15, 2025, 8:26 AM [ in reply to Re: You two are in over your heads. ]
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p6fuller® said:

Sir, the X detectives are on the case. Here's all you need to know - Nick Fuentes, meme game, and you can't trust anyone over 30. The main thing for you to remember is that he's ultra, ultra, ultra alt right conservative. Oh and, Charlie Kirk was the Devil incarnate.

It really doesn't matter what the shooter is. He assassinated a man who was giving a speech on a college campus, which is something that should be absolutely universally condemned without any 'yeah buts.'


Amen, he is a murderer and should and will face justice

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Re: So are we canceling the Civil War now that it looks like the shooter is entirely

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Sep 15, 2025, 7:20 PM
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Link?

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Sep 15, 2025, 10:33 PM
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Been following this story and haven’t seen this info online

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Sep 16, 2025, 7:40 AM
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It was really the butler with the candle stick in the library.

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