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TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
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Jan 30, 2025, 2:29 PM
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Rival Killer [2777]
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Nail meet
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Jan 30, 2025, 2:38 PM
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coffin if we can’t get out of this crap conference on an individual level or with FSU and/or others. The $$$ disparity will be way too much to overcome. We already see it now with the clown show that is now the ACC in basketball, compared to the SEC and Big, this will only grow exponentially over time.
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Commissioner [1244]
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Re: Nail meet
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Jan 30, 2025, 2:41 PM
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Agree if you give more money to some the rest of conference definitely can’t compete.
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CU Guru [1581]
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I want to get out of the ACC, but theres been a wide financial variance for
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Jan 30, 2025, 2:55 PM
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decades. The SEC and B1G have, for decades, taken in a ton more money than the ACC. We have every facility and gimmick we can buokd to attract players.. short of a roller coaster. And we can also afford NIL. We spent $15 in 2024 and OSU spent $20. Money isn’t an issue.
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Orange Beast [6580]
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Re: I want to get out of the ACC, but theres been a wide financial variance for
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Jan 30, 2025, 2:57 PM
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Money isn’t an issue? Where did you get that misinformation?
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CU Guru [1581]
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What part of *decades* is confusing?
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Jan 30, 2025, 3:43 PM
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We haven’t made as much as the SEC or B1G for decades. How has that hurt us?
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CU Guru [1529]
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Re: What part of *decades* is confusing?
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Jan 30, 2025, 4:20 PM
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Well that's actually not true. Before Miami and Virginia Tech don't join the conference, the ACC had the highest payout of any conference in the country.
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Paw Warrior [4897]
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Re: What part of *decades* is confusing?
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Jan 30, 2025, 4:26 PM
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Miami and VT joined in 2004, which was 21 years ago, also referred to as decades.
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CU Guru [1529]
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Re: What part of *decades* is confusing?
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Jan 30, 2025, 4:29 PM
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And the "wide variance" that the other poster mentioned didn't happen overnight after that point.
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Paw Warrior [4897]
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Re: What part of *decades* is confusing?
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Jan 30, 2025, 4:47 PM
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It was already there
2005: ACC was 4th in median payout
2006: ACC was 3rd in median payout
2007: ACC was 4th in median payout
2008: ACC was 4th in median payout
2009: ACC was 4th in median payout
2010: ACC was 4th in median payout
2011: ACC was 4th in median payout
2012: ACC was 4th in median payout
2013: ACC was 5th in median payout
2014: ACC was 4th in median payout
2015: ACC was 4th in median payout
2016: ACC was 5th in median payout
2017: ACC was 5th in median payout
2018: ACC was 5th in median payout
2019: ACC was 5th in median payout
2020: ACC was 5th in median payout
2021: ACC was 4th in median payout
2022: ACC was 4th in median payout
2023: ACC was 3rd in median payout
2005: ACC was $2.5M per school or 20% behind the top paying conference which was the Big Ten
2006: ACC was $2.9M per school or 21% behind the top paying conference which was the Big Ten
2007: ACC was $6.6M per school or 37% behind the top paying conference which was the Big Ten
2008: ACC was $11.6M per school or 51% behind the top paying conference which was the Big Ten
2009: ACC was $8.8M per school or 40% behind the top paying conference which was the Big Ten
2010: ACC was $10.9M per school or 44% behind the top paying conference which was the SEC
2011: ACC was $13.3M per school or 49% behind the top paying conference which was the SEC
2012: ACC was $8.1M per school or 30% behind the top paying conference which was the SEC
2013: ACC was $7.9M per school or 28% behind the top paying conference which was the Big Ten
2014: ACC was $7.2M per school or 24% behind the top paying conference which was the Big Ten
2015: ACC was $9M per school or 25% behind the top paying conference which was the SEC
2016: ACC was $16.3M per school or 36% behind the top paying conference which was the SEC
2017: ACC was $15.3M per school or 32% behind the top paying conference which was the SEC
2018: ACC was $25.7M per school or 45% behind the top paying conference which was the Big Ten
2019: ACC was $26.4M per school or 44% behind the top paying conference which was the Big Ten
2020: ACC was $25.3M per school or 44% behind the top paying conference which was the Big Ten
2021: ACC was $43.3M per school or 54% behind the top paying conference which was the SEC
2022: ACC was $21.3M per school or 34% behind the top paying conference which was the Big Ten
2023: ACC was $14.7M per school or 23% behind the top paying conference which was the Big Ten
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CU Guru [1581]
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We have the best era in Clemson football when not making nearly as much as
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Jan 30, 2025, 9:40 PM
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the SEC and B1G. It’s literally been decades.
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CU Guru [1581]
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And too, can you share your data 2004 and before
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Jan 30, 2025, 9:43 PM
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I’d be interested in seeing how long the ACC was the leading conference in terms of money.
We’ve been making less for decades. How has it hurt us?
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Re: And too, can you share your data 2004 and before
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Jan 31, 2025, 5:56 AM
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Probably back when ACC basketball had a pulse. This year Clemson is one of the better teams and cannot even get into the top 25. Unbelievable.
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National Champion [7656]
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Re: Nail meet
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Jan 30, 2025, 3:06 PM
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:Yep. Esecpn wants to make sure the acc is a second-rate conference. The Tigers beating their beloved Bammer was just too much for them. Gotta keep us in our place.
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National Champion [7871]
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long term? so we agree to a number today that will be obsolete and under valued
Jan 31, 2025, 9:59 AM
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in the 3 years. Like the last one?
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Campus Hero [13978]
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Re: TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
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Jan 30, 2025, 2:50 PM
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Oh good grief.
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Hall of Famer [8533]
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Of course they locked us in, they get 2 premier brands for basically free.
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Jan 30, 2025, 3:00 PM
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What an absolute joke. Screw the ACC. POS conference.
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Oculus Spirit [42119]
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Re: Of course they locked us in, they get 2 premier brands for basically free.
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Jan 31, 2025, 6:00 AM
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Some of the football schools need to be relegated. More schools has actually had the opposite affect as far as making the conference stronger.
We have Stanford out west that comes out with a worse band than some high schools around here, along with a dancing tree. Left coast is a joke!
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Commissioner [1228]
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Re: TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
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Jan 30, 2025, 3:06 PM
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I hope I'm wrong, but this will be the nail in the coffin, if we don't get out of this conference before 2036.
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Orange Beast [6580]
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Re: TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
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Jan 30, 2025, 3:13 PM
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What does this mean in simple terms?
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Paw Master [16249]
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Re: TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
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Jan 30, 2025, 3:14 PM
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But that brand fund does help make more money with those three other programs.
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Paw Warrior [4897]
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Re: TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
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Jan 30, 2025, 4:15 PM
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All it really means is that they extended the ACC media rights for another 12yrs, which everyone expected them too.
THe rest is all either speculation or hasn't been agreed to yet so it means nothing. Unless that is you want to begin to mentally prepare that we are going to drop our lawsuits and opt to stay in the ACC.
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Tiger Cub [15]
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Re: TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
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Jan 30, 2025, 4:25 PM
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ESPN wrote that article like it was in the bag. Sounded like Clemson and FSU was at the table with the ACC and ESPN. Maybe the issue is the early exit that would be timed just right for Clemson, FSU, and UNC. ACC could put an escalation of the brand fund at that time to make it less attractive to leave.
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Orange Blooded [2395]
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CU Guru [1529]
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Re: TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
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Jan 30, 2025, 4:39 PM
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The ACC gets paid less because their TV ratings aren't as good. I mean it kind of makes no sense to think that the network is going to pay the ACC the same as the other leagues when they don't get the ratings at the other leagues get.
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Orange Elite [5515]
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Re: TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
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Jan 30, 2025, 9:21 PM
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Hey bud. Nobody ever said we should be paid the same as them. Just that the gap shouldn't be so ridiculous.
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CU Guru [1529]
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Re: TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
Jan 31, 2025, 3:15 PM
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The ratings are the reason for the gap.
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MVP [505]
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Long term commitment to
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Jan 30, 2025, 4:12 PM
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getting poked in the backside.
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Tiger Cub [15]
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Re: TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
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Jan 30, 2025, 4:19 PM
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This is great if it comes with additional revenue and the early exit timed with a new Fox deal for the Big Ten. Just have to keep making the playoff. And the Irish every year would be awesome. Guaranteed prime time games are important. No games on the CW or ACCN. That could hurt the “brand fund.” Overall sounds like good news.
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Letterman [167]
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Re: TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
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Jan 30, 2025, 4:34 PM
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This comes out the same week that the ACC scheduled one of their top brands to play on Friday night. ACC will always try to bring Clemson down and hurt the Clemson brand. Clemson wants to grow its brand,ACC want to bring it back towards the conference. Conflicting objectives.
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Orange Beast [6446]
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Re: TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
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Jan 30, 2025, 5:05 PM
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Hey Clemson AD, as part of the potential agreement to play the Domers more, demand that Clemson plays GA Tech every year.
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Top TigerNet [29021]
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I'm no lawyer, but this sounds like....
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Jan 30, 2025, 5:36 PM
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.... it is part of the out of court negotiations.
As an attorney once told me, "In a civil law suit nobody is happy with the settlement. You negotiate and agree to something less than you think your deserve."
There will be a discussion tonight at 7:00. I'll post a link below. Some of y'all may have heard the name Doug Rohan. He's an attorney in Atlanta. He is an unabashed FSU fan. Doesn't try to hide it. He also freely admits he does not practice contract law. Since FSU announced they were "exploring options to leave the ACC" and especially since they files suit, he has given updates on a couple of different sites. He tries to explain the legal process and does not sound like a politician screaming "We're right and they're wrong." I want to hear his take on all this.
The cover page announcing the webcast was made before ESPN announced the settlement with ACC.
Here is the link if you are interested. If not, feel free to ignore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9FRo056KRA
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101132]
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A successful negotiation is defined as...
Jan 31, 2025, 8:24 AM
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being such that everyone walks away feeling like they've been cheated.
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Game Changer [1767]
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Re: This "brand fund"...might need some basketball and lawyer input
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Jan 30, 2025, 8:32 PM
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but off-hand, does anyone know what annual revenue (income) UNC or Duke bring in basketball?
My bet is football is still far and away the biggest earner depending on the program.
But if we are looking at a pool that gets bigger based on big names' performances, and those big name performers get bigger slices of the overall pie...does UNC or Duke Mens Basketball bring a significant enough amount that this proposal might become more lucrative for Clemson?
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CU Guru [1529]
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Re: This "brand fund"...might need some basketball and lawyer input
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Jan 31, 2025, 3:22 PM
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Several years ago, the Boston College athletic director did an interview with the Boston globe, and he said that football is responsible for somewhere around 85% of the TV revenue.
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Game Changer [1767]
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Re: This "brand fund"...might need some basketball and lawyer input
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Dang and they are a big market D1 Hockey Program too.
So basically any cut via Brand Fund for whatever Duke / UNC Men's basketball could add to the pot, is rather trivial = priority would be in a top football conference more than paired with other D1 sports elite programs.
Conference re-alignment is going to be as common now as earthquakes in South Carolina.
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Game Changer [1767]
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Re: TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
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Jan 30, 2025, 8:33 PM
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Oooh, and while my soapbox is out.
Notre Dame needs to put up their fair contribution at this point and throw part of their NBC take to us as well. Every ACC team could cross them off their schedule and play one more ACC team. NBC loses 5 games-poof!
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Athletic Dir [1121]
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Re: TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
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Jan 30, 2025, 10:58 PM
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ESPN is the biggest hypocrites in all of sports. They are the main reason for the great disparities between the conferences. They are the ones pushing the SEC and B1G into becoming NFL-lite. College football has been a great venue, and ESPN seeks to kill it.
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Re: TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
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Jan 30, 2025, 11:53 PM
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These people who want to pretend that money doesn't matter are clueless. MAYBE, money wasn't as big as deal in 2008, but in today's college football it is THE most important thing. The transfer portal and NIL have changed the game and without the money even a well run program will not succeed. A perfect example is our recruiting class this year. We had some really good recruits that bailed for a bigger paycheck. Do you really believe that we will be able to snag a Watson or Lawrence in the future? Unfortunately, players like that are going to make NFL money as freshman in high-school.
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Paw Warrior [4979]
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A sad, pathetic, horrible day for us.
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Jan 31, 2025, 5:50 AM
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Wow!
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Oculus Spirit [42119]
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Re: TNET: ACC and ESPN announce long-term commitment with option exercised
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Jan 31, 2025, 5:54 AM
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I am going to say, and I’m not sure, but this news does not bode well for the good guys. 🤦♂️🤷♂️
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