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Oculus Spirit [83641]
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Here is why the pubs will continue to fail...
Oct 21, 2016, 11:13 AM
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They are thinking that Trump supporters are new Republican voters.
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Re: Here is why the pubs will continue to fail...
Oct 21, 2016, 11:16 AM
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trump supporters are partly the remnants of the tea party, along with some recently released felons.
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MVP [533]
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Link?
Oct 21, 2016, 11:18 AM
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Oh never mind.
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TigerNet Champion [117871]
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Re: Link?
Oct 21, 2016, 11:21 AM
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if lakebum had a scok, it would be you.
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MVP [533]
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If Tigerboy98 had a scok...
Oct 21, 2016, 11:23 AM
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...it still wouldn't be you, because he wasn't totally stupid. Not TOTALLY.
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Re: If Tigerboy98 had a scok...
Oct 21, 2016, 11:24 AM
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I am much smarter than you
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MVP [533]
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If you say so...
Oct 21, 2016, 11:26 AM
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TigerNet Champion [117871]
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Re: If you say so...
Oct 21, 2016, 11:27 AM
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well yes, yes I do.
do you have more animated gifs that describe how lame your sense of humor is?
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MVP [533]
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Are you still talking?
Oct 21, 2016, 11:29 AM
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Re: Are you still talking?
Oct 21, 2016, 11:30 AM
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omg that is so funny.
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MVP [533]
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Keep going...
Oct 21, 2016, 11:31 AM
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Oculus Spirit [83641]
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On a more serious note....
Oct 21, 2016, 11:20 AM
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Pubs treat conservatives who send them to Washington to change things like the dems treat the black community. They use them for votes and then forget about them.
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MVP [533]
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See Mitch McConnell, R-KY...
Oct 21, 2016, 11:21 AM
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...who ran ads promising to repeal Obamacare right away.
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Clemson Sports Icon [57864]
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You can't say they didn't try.***
Oct 21, 2016, 11:39 AM
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MVP [533]
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Yes, they can.
Oct 21, 2016, 11:48 AM
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There were obligatory votes, sure, but the politicking and gladhanding was non-existent. There's more to being senate majority leader than calling for votes.
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Clemson Sports Icon [57864]
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They're doing great in the House and at the state level.
Oct 21, 2016, 11:24 AM
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Their only real problem is when they try to appeal to people outside their base.
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Ring of Honor [23710]
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What are they really?
Oct 21, 2016, 11:31 AM
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I know some that are new to politics and support Trump and a couple of life long Republicans that say they won't vote for Trump(though I'm not so sure they are being honest), but most of my friends are life long Republicans and they are supporting Trump enthusiastically.
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Oculus Spirit [83641]
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Re: What are they really?
Oct 21, 2016, 11:50 AM
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Certainly there were pubs who have supported Trump from the beginning, but I am referring to a large group of people who haven't voted in the past that Trump's message of shaking up the government appeals to. After this race, fortunately for progressive leftists like yourself, will again feel disenfranchised. However, it might be better for your agenda that they participate.
I'm sure we both can posit anecdotal examples to support our belief. I've asked on this board, and no one who identifies them self as a conservative supported Trump from the beginning. I also personally no of no other pub that has supported Trump from the beginning. There is the possibility that I run with more conservatives than you do.
I think you'd be hard pressed to with certainty that there is a significant number of people who have no desire to align politically with either party and are only participating as a response to the populist message of Trump.
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Ring of Honor [23710]
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I've never felt disenfranchised even though I live in SC.
Oct 21, 2016, 12:22 PM
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And I'm sure I won't after Clinton wins in a landslide.
Maybe you're right. Maybe there is "no other pub that supported Trump from the beginning." Though that seems unlikely, and has not been my experience here in the heart of The Confederacy. Surely, there are quite a few Republicans that are now regretting their support for Trump and are unwilling to admit they supported him from the start. I don't blame them.
If saying he wasn't your first choice makes you feel better, more power to you. But the fact of the matter is, the overwhelming majority of Republicans and Conservatives will vote for Donald Trump on election day and deal with the aftermath for years to come.
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Ring of Honor [23710]
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And momentum seems be building to remove Paul Ryan
Oct 21, 2016, 12:38 PM
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from his leadership position because of his "unenthusiastic support" for Trump. If that's not conservatives loving them some Trump, how would you describe it?
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Lulz, no***
Oct 21, 2016, 2:37 PM
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Ring of Honor [23710]
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Ryan's favorability rating has plunged 28 points in the last
Oct 21, 2016, 6:01 PM
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10 days among Republicans.
Republicans will need some scapegoats to blame for their loss and it's looking like they have found one of them.
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Recruit [97]
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They will continue to fail as long as they tie fiscal
Oct 21, 2016, 11:42 AM
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conservatism to social conservatism. The country is going one way on social issues. Republicans are going in the opposite direction.
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All-In [28802]
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No, not really***
Oct 21, 2016, 11:43 AM
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Recruit [97]
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Yes, really
Oct 21, 2016, 11:45 AM
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All-In [28802]
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Gay marriage is actually the only social issue
Oct 21, 2016, 12:03 PM
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I also don't think you can point to a 6-7 year period and decide that things will always be that way. Perhaps in 2004, we could've looked at the trend away from support for gay marriage and decided that it would never be a thing. Or, again, in 2006, we could've looked at the fact that support hadn't changed since 2001 and decided it was a non-issue.
On abortion, things are clearly trending towards the pro-life position. If people realized that pro-choice politicians oppose all restrictions on abortion, then there would be even more people who, at least provisionally, would association with the pro-life position: http://www.gallup.com/poll/170249/split-abortion-pro-choice-pro-life.aspx
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Recruit [97]
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I think if people actually realized the implications of
Oct 21, 2016, 12:09 PM
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overturning Roe v. Wade and going back to pre-1973 abortion policies, it would change minds.
Trump's fear-mongering of ripping out a baby at 39 weeks is just that. Fear-mongering. And many who oppose Trump are applauding him for it.
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Tiger Titan [50276]
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Google up partial birth abortions and hit images
Oct 21, 2016, 12:13 PM
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too sick to post here.
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Recruit [97]
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No thanks.***
Oct 21, 2016, 12:14 PM
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All-In [28802]
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Hillary actually does support partial-birth abortion
Oct 21, 2016, 12:16 PM
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Which very few people support. I also agree that if people actually knew what Roe actually did, more people would be fine with repealing it.
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You say that like it's a bad thing***
Oct 21, 2016, 1:56 PM
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All-In [28802]
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Are you actually a Trump supporter?
Oct 21, 2016, 11:43 AM
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Or are you simply supporting him as a better choice than Clinton? I think that's understandable, and fairly reasonable. What isn't reasonable is thinking he was the best Republican candidate available. If conservative voters wanted to lodge a protest, they should've voted for Cruz. Instead, many of them voted for a boorish celebrity who doesn't seem to care to know anything about governing or policy.
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Oculus Spirit [83641]
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I am voting against Hillary....
Oct 21, 2016, 11:57 AM
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I don't care for Trump. I prefer to face the unknown for the known. I know that we cannot continue the path that we are on and maintain our freedom. We are continuing to drift further and further from the responsibilities that each citizen has to others that is requisite in a free society. You cannot stay free in a society that puts personal rights above responsibility.
Rubio was my choice. He killed his campaign when he decide to impersonate Trump.
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Re: I am voting against Hillary....
Oct 22, 2016, 8:19 PM
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I'm voting for Trump - against Hillary. My first choice was Ben Carson, followed by evenly pulling for Cruz/Kasich. Unfortunately, Clinton will beat Trump. Trump says bad things. Clinton does bad things. Neither are great for our country, but I'd rather have the unknown than the massive expansion and corruption of government and it's unchecked programs.
At this point, it would be better if Trump and Clinton left the race and let Pence and Kaine battle it out. Both are safer options for this country.
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Dynasty Maker [3595]
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Trump got more votes than any GOP candidate in history.
Oct 21, 2016, 3:10 PM
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That tells me he is attracting people who did not previously participate. The general is another population set. It remains to be seen.
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