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Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 11:55 AM
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IMO, the answer to this question is a layup.
I’ll hang up now and listen.
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Yes ..***
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Re: Yes ..***
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:20 PM
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Si!!
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Oculus Spirit [43294]
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Definitely
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:13 PM
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Not even close.
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Game Changer [1900]
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 11:57 AM
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I think so. Passing wise, DJ has a stronger arm, but the limitations in his ability to push the ball downfield with longer throws is just like Bryant. Bryant was more valuable because he was faster and his legs could make a difference. I would vote KB all day long!
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:00 PM
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At least Kelly could pass a ball more than 10 yards. 🤣
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:19 PM
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Kelly took us to the playoffs. I watch the game in New Orleans where we got beat. But, we were there. DJ took us nowhere.
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Orange Beast [6283]
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^^^THIS^^^
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:20 PM
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No comparison. Kelly has us in the semi-final game. Tiger o-line could not stop anything that night.
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Re: ^^^THIS^^^
Aug 25, 2024, 10:14 PM
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Well I wouldn’t put that on the oline. Bama played in a box knowing KB couldn’t push the ball down field and all we had was ray ray and Deon….it was gonna be impossible to run on a Bama that year
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 26, 2024, 10:55 AM
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Kelly and DJU both rotten our defense kepts us in the games. Both tanked when teams blitzed them. DJU great passer at Oregon State than Bryant at Mizzou cause of their opponents didn’t blitz as much SEC and ACC teams
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 26, 2024, 4:30 PM
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Here’s an answer. Which one made the playoffs?
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Tiger Spirit [9936]
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:19 PM
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Irrelevant and immaterial because both are long gone.
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Is that a yes or a no?***
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:59 PM
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Valley Coot strikes again
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:01 PM
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By not answering the question
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The OP just asked a question. Either answer or don't respond.***
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:05 PM
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That wouldn't be good trolling if it did that.
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Aug 25, 2024, 6:35 PM
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Re: That wouldn't be good trolling if it did that.
Aug 25, 2024, 9:52 PM
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I’m still wiping away my tears from VB’s mean post.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 4:50 PM
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What’s your problem Valley Girl? 👧
Kelly Bryant was most definitely a better qb.
Go Tigers!🐅
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Yes.
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:22 PM
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His biggest mistake was letting Dabo play him injured at Syracuse.
He did take us to the playoffs once.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:24 PM
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better runner, but the dude was average at best. His season at Missouri said it all. Without an uber-talented offense around him, he was a 6-5 qb.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 25, 2024, 9:55 PM
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That’s a fair take.
Comparing any QB supported by 2017 team vs any other QB supported by 2021 or 2022 team is a tricky one.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:26 PM
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KB was a true dual threat.
DJ is basically immobile. If the pocket collapses so does he.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:19 PM
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KB was a duel threat so was DJ...he was a threat to CCC and OSU...now he is a triple threat,we forgot FSWTC! Will the threats ever end!
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:41 PM
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I mean, we probably win a national championship at least once the last couple of years with a KB level QB.
We definitely make the playoffs multiple times.
The defense was that good and there was no unbeatable team out there.
It could have been us in place of Georgia...
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 25, 2024, 10:07 PM
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Interesting take.
Our D was rocking & rolling in 2021 especially. However, our OL in 2021 was bad. WRs in both 2021 and 2022 were substandard. Despite that, KB2’s superior running skills might have won us the NC State game in 2021. DJU had that awful pik-6 on the shovel pass against Pitt in the 2021 loss. I see your point that, without those 2 losses in 2021 season and our only loss being to Nat’l Champ UGA in that 10 - 3 loss, we at least had a shot at winning ACC Championship and then reaching CFP.
Not so sure about 2022 making it to CFP if KB2 was at QB instead of DJU. DJU win us the road game vs WF in a spectacular performance. Can’t see KB2 winning us that game. In the other hand, DJU stunk up the joint against S.Carolina, but so did the rest of our offense. I still think that KB2 wins that game for us. We still end up with the same W-L record with KB2 as we did with DJU.
Thanks for the take.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:45 PM
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KB2 wasn't dragging a boat anchor when he ran either.
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Affirmative***
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:46 PM
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:22 PM
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Definitely yes.
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I think so, yes. He played loose and was able to get the ball downfield.***
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Re: I think so, yes. He played loose and was able to get the ball downfield.***
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:41 PM
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I agree. KB2 didn’t suffer from the yips. Poor DJU is plagued with them.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:47 PM
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Oh yes. He could walk without falling
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 25, 2024, 9:11 PM
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Ouch!
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Is this even a question***
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:58 PM
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Re: Is this even a question***
Aug 25, 2024, 9:12 PM
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It’s a layup, but you still got to make it.
Two points for GaTiger5.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 1:59 PM
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Let's throw a wrench into the equation.
If DJ manages to become a serviceable backup QB in the NFL ( longshot },
does that propel him in front of KB ?
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 25, 2024, 9:22 PM
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Dang good question.
From my perspective, college FB is great and NFL is meh.
Therefore, my frame of reference as to who is better vs who is worse is based in college performance.
It isn’t out of the question that DJU might harness his fastball and then figure out his change-up by midway through the year. If he can find some Zen Master to cure his yips, then his accuracy … at least in the should-be-easy short tossed to RBs … could be cured.
Looking at DJU’s decisions yesterday, he looked good. Better than his full time starter seasons with us in 2021 and 2022.
If he gets these things fixed (not likely, but not impossible), then he could have a stellar 2nd half of 2024 season. Putting it another way, if he gets it all fixed, then DJU would have had a better college career than KB, even though he will have never gotten his team into the CFP.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:06 PM
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I think so and it took a generational talent to knock him from the starting perch. Dabo started Cde over DJ out of desperation. Great question.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 9:23 PM
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Barring a miracle, then KB will have been better than DJU will ever be.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:08 PM
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Nope. His stats were terrible compared to DJ. DJ was top 12 in QBR last year with terrible talent around him. DJ will end with more than twice the passing yards than KB. KB had ELITE talent at every position. DJ did not.
Not a DJ fan, just comparing stats.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 7:23 PM
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The only problem with stats is that I saw both of them play. My eyes say KB was better, and there is no question about it as far as I’m concerned.
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Aug 27, 2024, 8:22 AM
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Stats are not so one-sided as you say. KB had 2,800 yards passing in 2017. DJ has never done that. KB also had 665 yards rushing in 2017, and DJ has obviously never come close to that. KB is a better player, which is why he won more at Clemson.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:09 PM
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Yes
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This isnt even a discussion. We make the playoffs each of the last 3 years
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:13 PM
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With Kelly at QB.
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Re: This isnt even a discussion. We make the playoffs each of the last 3 years
Aug 25, 2024, 9:33 PM
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Last 3 years in CFP if we had KB2 at QB. Never thought of that angle.
You may be on to something with that analysis. The one game that jumps out at me where DJU might have won us a game that KB2 might not have was the 2022 game against WF. DJU win that game for us; he was spectacular. KB2 wins us the S.Carolina game in 2022, though … easily. KB2 vs Notre Dame in 2022 would have been interesting. ND crushed our OL like a grape in that game in S.Bend. KB2’s superior running skills might have bought us some 1st half ‘survival’ time for us to get over our shock. KB2 might not have won that game for us, but it wouldn’t have been the beat down that we had with DJU at the wheel.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:21 PM
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Definitely yes, Kelly Bryant was better!
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:22 PM
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Yes!
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:32 PM
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Yes
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:44 PM
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My answer is YES, Bryant was 2-3 times better than DJU IMO!!!
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 2:46 PM
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KB was WAY better. KB was a winner, a great athlete, and a good decision maker.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 3:11 PM
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Did you watch Bryant play? He was 10 times better than DJU
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Yes and it's not close....
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Aug 25, 2024, 3:11 PM
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And KB was mid at best.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 3:12 PM
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Yes bc he could at least threaten with a big run. If he wasn't faster than DJ than they'd be equal.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 5:55 PM
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A sloth is faster than DJ.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 25, 2024, 9:42 PM
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Interesting take.
KB2 was not reliably accurate, but I recall that early season 2017 game against Auburn when he made some pinpoint throws.
DJU had, to my recollection, two games when his accuracy and poise were superb. 2020 season as TL16’s stand in against ND, and 2022 game against WF in Winston Salem.
Both DJU and KB2 made plenty of excellent throws, of course, but neither was reliably successful with mid or down field passing.
DJU probably can’t outrun … today … a now-old KB2 who is probably coaching somewhere. QB running was clearly a special KB2 attribute.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 3:16 PM
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My immediate reaction is to say yes- by a mile but after thinking about it my answer is still yes but they aren’t that far apart. The entire offense has fallen off drastically since 2018- not just the quarterback position. DJ looked pretty good in 2020 for two games when he had the same supporting cast that Trevor Lawrence had.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 3:21 PM
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KB got us to the playoffs, mostly with his legs. DJU played like his cleats were made of lead.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 25, 2024, 9:44 PM
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Dang! That’s COLD! 🥶
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 3:21 PM
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Yes and it's not even close.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 27, 2024, 7:13 AM
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The Pyrite Kid?
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Probably a little
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Aug 25, 2024, 4:18 PM
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We had better overall talent around him though.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 4:28 PM
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Yes
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 4:57 PM
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Yes, and he could have been a STUD TE in the NFL, but the recurring curse of "Famously Bad Advice for Bryant Family Members" struck his career down - just like Martavis.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 25, 2024, 9:48 PM
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No kidding on that one!
Taking sporting career advice from family members who are not intimately involved in the coaching or scouting of talent in the sport of relevance is akin to taking advice for stock investments from the bum in the street corner.
Heck, KB2 might have gotten better advice from the bum in the street corner.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 6:02 PM
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Absolutely, not even a comparison
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 6:12 PM
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Yes he was.
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KB was a barely adequate passer, but a very above average runner. DJ was
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Aug 25, 2024, 6:36 PM
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a NON-adequate passer and a below average runner. Bryant wins that contest literally running away.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 6:42 PM
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Hands down answer is yes!
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 7:03 PM
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Yes
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Yes***
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Don't matter, both sucked***
Aug 25, 2024, 7:49 PM
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 9:04 PM
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Yes.
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Yes.***
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
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Aug 25, 2024, 9:08 PM
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KB was way better
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Athletic Dir [1113]
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 25, 2024, 11:46 PM
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Without a doubt
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Rival Killer [2903]
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Picture this
Aug 26, 2024, 12:05 AM
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Kelly Bryant doesn't quit on the team after game 4 and finishes out the season.
We still have the same record. We're pouring points all over everybody. TL is on the bench by mid-third and KB2 still gets tons of quality reps and actually learns something by playing behind TL. Kelly gets his redemption by beating Syracuse after TL goes down and KB having lost (and getting hurt) the year before.
We use him in short yardage like a Tebow or Taysom Hill. The defense has to respect his ability to throw a short pass, but they know he can pick up three yards with decent blocking.
He actually has some good film to watch compared to his last season at Mizzou and gets an invite to training camp. Perhaps a NFL team signs him as a free agent to use him for a little Jalen Hurts tush push action.
So ask yourself, "Who do I want backing up TL?" This becomes a not-so-easy question because I thought we were in good hands with DJU after the OT loss to Notre Dame. After having seen the full body of work yet (oh trust me, we've seen all the development that DJU will do, don't kid yourself), I like KB because I think DJ is broken.
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Game Changer [2044]
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 26, 2024, 12:08 AM
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no.
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Game Changer [1901]
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 26, 2024, 8:38 AM
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Yes
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98434]
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Kelly Bryant had his issues but he could outrun my granny.***
Aug 26, 2024, 8:46 AM
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All-American [564]
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 26, 2024, 9:33 AM
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Absolutely! I would take Kelly Bryant over him any day. I think the closer option is Cole Stoudt. That one for me is a toss up. I do think Cole froze up less after the snap.
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Freshman [-98]
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 26, 2024, 10:08 AM
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100% - not even a discussion. Although Kelly’s legs did bail him out quite a bit.
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Orange Blooded [2295]
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Kelly Bryant's tragic flaw was that he couldn't throw the ball against Alabama.
Aug 26, 2024, 10:31 AM
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DJ can't throw against anyone (2022 WF exception noted, but the existence of an exception does not disprove the rule).
I never saw saw KB drop back, see his primary receiver covered, then turn his back to the line of scrimmage and wait to get hit. That's when I unhitched the wagon from DJ.
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Clemson Conqueror [11443]
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 26, 2024, 10:57 AM
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Yes...much better.
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 26, 2024, 4:27 PM
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He was a much better runner. They are about the same on passing. Neither one can throw a good pass more than 5 yards.
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Orange Blooded [2290]
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 26, 2024, 4:29 PM
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Yes, still is.
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National Champion [8064]
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 26, 2024, 6:10 PM
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Yes. Not even close i.m.o.
Kelly Bryant in fact over the last couple seasons would have won most of those games. His issue would only come up when you play "the elite of the elite"!
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Ring of Honor [23799]
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Recently REwatched the 2017 season
Aug 26, 2024, 6:20 PM
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KB2 had his ceiling, but he was faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better than DJU. REwatching DJU games is still painful,even knowing the outcome.
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Tiger Spirit [10093]
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 27, 2024, 3:11 AM
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He was better than DJU, but not as good as Trevor Lawrence.
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Offensive Star [318]
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 27, 2024, 8:24 AM
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Who cares…I don’t!
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Athletic Dir [1169]
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Re: Was Kelly Bryant better than DJU?
Aug 27, 2024, 12:46 PM
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No, he was not better... He was equally as poor. Both made the offense one dimensional which put undue pressure on the entire offense. KB had a better defense (IMHO), hands down, which is why there was a playoff appearance with him at the helm. Great question!
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