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All-In [10483]
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Just gonna leave this right here for those questioning portal use and NIL
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Aug 22, 2024, 9:02 PM
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It simply comes down to can Cade perform to his star rating, just like DJU. Our roster talent is elite and hasn’t fallen off, QB play has been what’s “held us back” since Trevor left, not talent.
https://x.com/cfbkings/status/1826668638692327519?s=46
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CU Guru [1663]
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Wow, thats great,
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I feel awesome now. Let’s see us finish in that area! Are you suggesting our coaching is poor if we are performing worse than our roster? The NC State game last year was the most poorly coached game I’ve seen in my Clemson life, so let’s hope these changes work this year!
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CU Guru [1663]
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Id be failing if I forgot to mention
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the coaching miscues at the end of the Miami and FSU games last year, never mind the absolute coaching debacle of the Coot game in 2022. I agree, the roster is fine, the coaching hasn’t been. I pray the changes work this year and we’re back to our late 2010’s stuff!
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Dynasty Maker [3106]
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Re: Wow, thats great,
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Aug 22, 2024, 11:25 PM
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So how old are you 7 or 8?
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CU Guru [1663]
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Im actually 6
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which is apparently better than your 1965 delusion!
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Orange Blooded [2521]
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Re: Just gonna leave this right here for those questioning portal use and NIL
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I would love to agree with you but the talent level at WR has fallen off. The recruiting rankings of the wide receivers may be close to what they were when we were WRU but the production and development of those players is no where near. Having said all that I agree Cade K. Has to play better and avoid the big mistakes and I know we can all think of several from last year.
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Clemson Sports Icon [58669]
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Re: Just gonna leave this right here for those questioning portal use and NIL
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Aug 22, 2024, 9:22 PM
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Yes Clemson has NIL money, but Clemson doesn't have as many places to recruit sponsors to come in and lay down the mega NIL bucks as the schools that are in or very close to the businesses as they do. It would be a win, win situation if Clemson had it like those schools do, but the facts are, there just isn't enough of those types of sponsors in or around Clemson. I know that we here of boosters putting up a lot of NIL cash, but the ones that are doing it are breaking the intended rules for NIL sponsors!!!
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Orange Blooded [2375]
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Come on, man.
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Aug 23, 2024, 7:08 PM
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The intent doesn't matter and any interference with it has been ruled illegal by the courts.
Clemson fans need to quit whining about it.
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Ultimate Tiger [34854]
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Re: Come on, man.
Aug 24, 2024, 7:47 AM
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And here is Bluffton with his pay for play plug. SMDH
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Orange Blooded [2375]
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You misspelled "follow the law" plug.
Aug 24, 2024, 8:44 AM
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The whining from some Clemson fans about the courts finally stopping the NCAA's decades of illegal, exploitative behavior is appalling.
We are supposed to be smarter than that.
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National Champion [7574]
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Associate AD [1041]
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Yes it is important metric but it's very similar to BCR...
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Aug 23, 2024, 3:05 PM
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and probably has more value as qualifier metric like the BCR was under 4 team CFP. These broad talent metrics can be a bit misleading, they speak more to a teams depth and alone are not great indicators of the presence of difference maker level talent an the 85 man roster.
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Tiger Spirit [9688]
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Re: Just gonna leave this right here for those questioning portal use and NIL
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Aug 22, 2024, 9:11 PM
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Have to disagree with some of this. Cade hasn't had NFL talented WRs to work with like TL16 and DJU's first year starting. Hopefully some matured WRs and a couple RS Fresh and true Fresh can help that part of the game.
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All-In [10483]
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Injuries brother
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When you’re throwing to swinney’s and porter gaud like names, you ain’t gonna thrive in the passing game. I think the talent has been there just had terrible luck with injuries the last 3 years.
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Rival Killer [2918]
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our coaches made the choice to keep and play those kids...
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several of them have no business dressing out in a Clemson uniform. Maybe Western Carolina. Cade is not a 5 star recruit. Talent has dropped significantly since 2018-19. Several misevaluations
Then we have injuries and nobody to put in behind them.
Dabo needs to make changes or its time to hang it up. He earned the right to screw around for 3 years after 2019 with his underqualified coaches, but that leeway is running out.
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Valley Protector [1498]
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Re: our coaches made the choice to keep and play those kids...
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Aug 22, 2024, 9:55 PM
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Our O-line has been piss-poor at protecting the QB and giving time in the pocket the last few years. Mahomes may be able to make something work while running around outside the pocket, but Cade can't (and, frankly, virtually nobody else in CFB could either).
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Orange Elite [5187]
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Roll Cade out.***
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Game Changer [1909]
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Re: Roll Cade out.***
Aug 23, 2024, 4:24 PM
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Yep.
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Tiger Titan [46071]
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How many national championships has Dabo won
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since the transfer portal allowed immediate transfers and NIL was instituted?
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Tiger Titan [49473]
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Re: How many national championships has Dabo won
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Aug 23, 2024, 11:13 AM
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How many has Brad won since the early 2000’s or ever? For example
It’s a rude statement for a Clemson fan.
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Heisman Winner [87860]
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He hasn't even sniffed an nit championship.***
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Tiger Titan [46071]
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It's not rude to ask how many national championships Dabo has won
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in this current era of college football, especially when someone posts a snarky response about Dabo winning two national championships.
Sorry, but touting his high level success last decade isn't really relevant when talking about the current state of our team in this era of college football. It's a childish response which suggests that Dabo is not to ever be questioned or doubted.
And LOL at you bringing up basketball. Why are you so sensitive about Dabo? Drinking the Dabo cult Kool-Aid, are ya?
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Ultimate Tiger [34854]
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Re: It's not rude to ask how many national championships Dabo has won
Aug 24, 2024, 7:50 AM
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Pathetic JK. Laughable but pathetic. Brownell and Dabo are worlds apart. Stick to basketball.
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Rival Killer [2744]
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Re: How many national championships has Dabo won
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How many coaches have won a national championship since NIL was instituted lol? The answer is 2. So every other coach falls into this category 😂
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Clemson Icon [26067]
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Re: How many national championships has Dabo won
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Aug 23, 2024, 7:46 PM
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It’s the only line he knows. Same old schtick all the time.
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Rival Killer [2744]
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Re: How many national championships has Dabo won
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Definitely an idiotic take. There is only one active coach in college football that has one a national championship under the new rules (transfer portal and nil). Definitely a Dabo problem though lol. I don’t know where he comes up with this stuff. I’m still waiting on him to tell what coach hired a coach that got busted in a FBI sting trying to buy a player. Then they tried to say the coach who’s hired him had no knowledge it was going on lol. What level of incompetence is that.
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Ultimate Tiger [34854]
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Re: How many national championships has Dabo won
Aug 24, 2024, 7:52 AM
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He has no clue. Constant pathetic post! They are funny though. You can’t make that kind of stuff up.
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Playmaker [356]
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I agree that injuries to playmakers have handicapped our performance the last 2 years. We have talent at WR if it can remain healthy. Optimistic about this years outlook.
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Re: Injuries brother
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I was going to say that I think the WR play, not talent level, has had an impact the last few years. Had some guys with a bunch of stars just not pan out and play well, kinda like the QB situation with DJ.
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Top TigerNet [31009]
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The results the last few years indicate otherwise... or else
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Aug 22, 2024, 9:41 PM
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something else has kept the winning from being where we want.
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Tiger Titan [46071]
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That would be coaching.
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We have had subpar coaching at key positions, which has impacted player development and game planning.
Homers here can make all the excuses they want in terms of recruiting, NIL, injuries, etc., but the reality is that we've been on a decline for 4-5 years. It's not really debatable.
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Rival Killer [2602]
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Re: That would be coaching.
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Man, I really hope UGA disappoints you and Clemson wins.
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Clemson Icon [26067]
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Re: That would be coaching.
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Where we were 4-5 years ago, there was only one way you could go You are correct, the decline isn’t debatable. What has caused it absolutely is. Regardless of the reason, it provides opportunities for you to take shots at Dabo and his program, as if you really need an opportunity.
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Ultimate Tiger [34854]
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Re: That would be coaching.
Aug 24, 2024, 7:55 AM
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Homers? The hypocrisy reeks when the name Brownell is mentioned. STAY ON THE BASKETBALL BOARD!
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All-TigerNet [6052]
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Bad evaluation of talent is the main problem. There's been a bunch of 4 star O linemen who haven't panned out.
Maybe some of it has been the coaching. Same can be said for the receivers.
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Its been poor QB play for four years. Last year,
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Injuries and TOs were problematic. Our offense requires great QB play, and it simply hasn’t been there. This year will be different as a full contingent of WRs and an improved OL will very much help to improve QB play along with CK being a year more experienced. I am expecting a very different offense. Go Tigers!
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Tiger Titan [49473]
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Re: Its been poor QB play for four years. Last year,
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How many top teams who loose their DT coach, best defensive coordinator ever and co offensive coordinators, wr coordinator, OL coordinator etc
And still manage to win on the level we have.
Nobody outside of Alabama could handle it better, Covid without camps an on campus visits hurt too.
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All-In [10892]
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What was this ranking spread for us last year vs........
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Duke who we lost to by 21??
Wake who we beat by only 5??
Miami who we lost to by 2???
NC state who we were DOMINATED by and the game was over by the 4th Qtr.?????
a Pathetic SC team who we struggled to score on?????
a subpar Kentucky team who we only beat by 3????
The talent HAS fallen off compared to 2015-2019
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Clemson Icon [25119]
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Nothing since 1969
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Tiger Titan [46071]
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I'm not sure our overall talent level has decreased over the last few years
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but performance at certain key positions sure has. Namely, QB and WR.
Based on recruiting, we've certainly gotten our share of highly rated players at these positions, but the problem is that they don't seem to improve as expected. This is a repeated problem which speaks to poor coaching.
If we don't have the coaches to develop players, and game plan to put them in positions to succeed, then we aren't ever going to maximize their talent.
We used to do that really well, better than most. The last 5 years or so, we have done a very poor job of that. That can be traced back to the assistant coaches Dabo has hired.
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Rival Killer [2744]
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Re: I'm not sure our overall talent level has decreased over the last few years
Aug 23, 2024, 1:19 PM
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I mean I give Dabo credit, he didn’t hire any assistants that got caught in a FBI sting trying to buy a player lol. I know a certain Clemson coach that has!
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Tiger Titan [46071]
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Dabo cult triggered!!
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LOL!
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Rival Killer [2744]
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Re: Dabo cult triggered!!
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Yes very triggered! Nice response. I guess not rebuttal because you have nothing lol.
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Rival Killer [2744]
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Re: Dabo cult triggered!!
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No rebuttal
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Orange Blooded [2314]
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Well now that that’s settled we can blame our JV coaching staff for lack of success. It’s gotta be the players, coaches or both…..based on this I guess it’s the coaches Dabo has hired that can’t develop
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All-American [561]
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Cade is Cade.
He'll always be Cade.
He isn't Watson.
He isn't Lawrence.
When Swinney finally has enough of the incessant, childish whiners and leaves............you'll wish he was still here.
This 2024 edition is NOT going to win the CFP. ( I hate to break it to you )
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Dynasty Maker [3350]
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Re: Just gonna leave this right here for those questioning portal use and NIL
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And yet for all the issues (coaching, player development, injuries), the Tigers continued to find a way to win atleast 9 games since Trevor and Travis graduated. Here’s to reaping the benefits of retaining our most talented players and hopefully getting past so many injuries. I do think Luke and Rumpf plus tskented freshmen can help the Tigers win more decisively this season.
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Game Changer [1623]
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Re: Just gonna leave this right here for those questioning portal use and NIL
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Winning at least 9 games against fairly soft schedules is a far cry from being the elite program we still insist that we are.
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Tiger Titan [46071]
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LOL.
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I think we all want Dabo to be our coach for a long time, but many of us want him to adapt to what's happening in college football today.
His way isn't working now, and the constant reassurances from the Dabo cult here are getting old. Recent evidence is staring them in the face and they don't want to see it.
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Orange Blooded [2375]
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Exactly this!
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I have much respect for what Dabo has accomplished, but he is trying to keep an obsolete system alive.
It's time for him to adapt. Everyone else either adapted or quit (Saban, Chip Kelly).
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Ultimate Tiger [34854]
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Re: Exactly this!
Aug 24, 2024, 8:01 AM
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Well he will quit before paying unproven high school kids stupid money. Not everyone is on the current pay for play system as it is currently stands.
Next man up Bluffton? Who do you want to bring to Clemson to keep our current system from being, what did you say, “obsolete?”
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Orange Blooded [2375]
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It's an adapt or get out of the way world
Aug 24, 2024, 8:55 AM
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I want Dabo to adapt.
Pay for play? Oh, like the pay you get for YOUR work?
Pay for play? After the courts blasted the entire NCAA sports model is illegal for not paying fair market value?
If Dabo quits, there's a starter kit of potential replacements.
Garret Riley
Jamey Chadwell from Liberty
Matt Entz - current USC(w) assistant, former N. Dakota State HC.
Lance Leipold - Kansas
Chad Morris
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Tiger Titan [46071]
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Given the fact that we have top 5 talent
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and are in the top 5 for coaching salaries, we should expect to be a top 5 team this year, correct?
Anything less than that is underachieving, yes?
Just want to make sure I'm clear on proper expectations.
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Game Changer [1909]
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Re: Given the fact that we have top 5 talent
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This should be the expectation, yes. Think we’re top 10 in NIL too.
Also, this talent profile is why we only offer very few in the portal. Further, if you break down the position groups, all of them are talented including OL (portal offers).
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Clemson Icon [26067]
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Re: Given the fact that we have top 5 talent
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Spin it, doctor. I’ve read too many of your posts to believe your are really that simple minded.
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Orange Blooded [2375]
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It comes down to more than that.
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It comes down to how every member of the team performs, preparation, play calling, assignments, limiting mistakes, and injuries. Same as every other year.
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Paw Master [17844]
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These rankings certainly make sense considering our selectivity
Aug 23, 2024, 5:22 PM
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and Dabo's success in keeping contributors around with his shrewd NIL implementation. If we can stay healthy at skill positions, and the drive and leadership intangibles that have been lesser during the Covid classes kick in better, we will be in the Top 5 come season's end.
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Our first string is good. Depth isn't there
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WR development really has apparently been a weak spot. We have consistently landed top recruits but for some reason from like 2020-2023 a lot of them just didn’t pan out.
Is this bad injury luck? Poor development etc?
Fortunately things have seemed to trend up. A0 and Tyler Brown are very solid and should develop even further. Westco and Moore are super talented, the key will be can we actually get the most out of them like we used to with our elite WR in the mid 2010s?
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