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"Danny Ford never lost games he wasn't supposed to"
Oct 30, 2012, 4:35 PM
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Article A: I was looking at an old 1988 football program in a Clemson facility today. In 1987 we were 7-0 and playing 2-4 NC State at home. We went down 30-0 at halftime!! 30-0!! We came all the way back to make it 30-28 but eventually lost by that score.
what the heck happened? Anyone who was at that game tell me.
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Re: "Danny Ford never lost games he wasn't supposed to"
Oct 30, 2012, 4:36 PM
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we played AWFUL the first half....team was totally out of it....
and it did not help that NCSU was pretty good that year as well!
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Re: "Danny Ford never lost games he wasn't supposed to"
Oct 30, 2012, 4:40 PM
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NC State finished 4-7, wouldn't call them "pretty good"
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Re: "Danny Ford never lost games he wasn't supposed to"
Oct 30, 2012, 4:54 PM
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You are kidding, right? Danny Ford lost lots of games he wasn't supposed to lose. Problem is, in the 25 years that have passed since he was at Clemson, we have forgetten most of the bad stuff and concentrated on the National Championship. I was in school back then and there were plenty of frustrations with the football team. I will always be grateful to Danny Ford for his contribution to Clemson University. But lets be honest and admit he was every bit as human as Dabo Swinney, or any other coach we've ever had. "And" he left us in a mess with the NCAA (whether or not he was actually the one who committed the infractions). The Clemson football program is being built up today as surely it was in Danny Ford's early days. Great things are in store in the near future. So give credit where credit is due, but don't idolize Danny Ford. He's got plenty of freckles and warts just like the rest of us. Go Tigers!
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Re: "Danny Ford never lost games he wasn't supposed to"
Oct 30, 2012, 5:52 PM
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Don't tell this to LCBC
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You my friend are wrong. I saw all but 5 (all wins) of the
Oct 30, 2012, 7:37 PM
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games he coached at Clemson home and away. He lost the aforementioned NC State game and the 1989 game at Duke and they were bad losses; however, most of the other losses were not "shockers". If you want to talk about big wins against the big name schools and coaches, it would take a good while. He was simply the best coach Clemson ever had and I think the winning percentage will back that up (unless they were only here a short time). Darkest day in Clemson history was his departure. Also, check out the bowl record and the record agains that school in the midlands of this state.
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I saw them all too. Was in school when we won the MNC. Ford
Oct 30, 2012, 8:06 PM
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was a great coach, but we lost more than a couple of games we weren't supposed to.
Let''s see
Lost 34-17 to a bad Duke team in 1980 at our Homecoming game.
Lost three straight to lesser NC State teams, 3-27 in 1986, 28-30 in 1987, and 3-10 in 1988.
Lost to several bad teams in 1985 on our way to a 6-5 record, same thing and same record in 1980.
Lost to GaTech in 1984 after they had lost 14 games in a row to Div 1 teams.
I was on the field after the win over Nebraska in Miami, there when we beat Oklahoma, WVU, and Penn State, but I was also there when we lost all those games we shouldn't have. You can add the Duke and Ga Tech games in his last year in 1989.
I was/am a huge Danny Ford fan, but the reality of the ACC in Danny's era was, beat UNC and Maryland and you win the ACC. Danny usually did that, but he stumbled more than a couple of times against lesser Duke, NC State, and Ga Tech teams.
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Re: I saw them all too. Was in school when we won the MNC. Ford
Oct 30, 2012, 10:51 PM
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#### Sheridan had Danny's number back then. At the 87 game I was in the stands with my father and his new wife, she from an NCSt family.
Everything went wrong in the first half, so Danny had our option QB Rodney Williams come out passing in the 2nd half. We had nothing to lose because we were so far behind. Rodney threw over 50 passes that day, more than he had thrown in the first 8 games. We had the ball inside the 50 with a minute to go and down by 2.Rodney made a great pass that would have given us a first down around the 30 with a great kicker in Gardocki. On the pass there was an obvious pass interference call that was missed on 3rd down, so we were on the 40 yard line and just out of Chris's range and gave up the ball on downs with under a minute left. Really sucked losing to them, reminded me of our loss last year after starting 8-0.
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No, the probation years were 82-84.***
Oct 31, 2012, 3:46 PM
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I'm not talking years on probation, years effected by it.
Oct 31, 2012, 5:28 PM
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The first year or two there is no real effect, there is a lag. That is what I was getting at. Those 3 down years were a result of probation.
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We certainly lost games we weren't supposed to under Danny.***
Oct 30, 2012, 4:38 PM
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Sure did.
Oct 30, 2012, 4:45 PM
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That was certainly one of them.
Had to open up the passing game (which was like running a trick play under Ford) in the 2nd half. Almost pulled it off.
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Exactly - and that's something many of us tend to forget.
Oct 30, 2012, 5:27 PM
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Very few, maybe 2 or 3 teams a year, don't lose to somebody they "should" beat.
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Danny Ford and Beamer are pretty similar
Oct 30, 2012, 4:39 PM
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They both always lost 1-2 games they shouldn't have.
NCST was Danny's nemesis. They had a good D back then and we usually had a bad offense.
Then there was the whole Spurrier Duke yr.
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Re: Danny Ford and Beamer are pretty similar
Oct 30, 2012, 4:46 PM
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But he was 29-0 against Virginia!!! Until Hatfield came in and lost in Year 1.... Hatfield, what a joke... anyone on this board could have coached that talent to 10-2 consecutive years.... Then the True Coaching came out, 5-6... Ahhhh.... Serenity now.... Serenity now.... mmmmmmm... OK... Now I realize we are in 2012 with a Great Coach running the show!!! I'm back...
Go Tigers.
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Re: Danny Ford and Beamer are pretty similar
Oct 30, 2012, 4:50 PM
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Not to take up for Hatfield, but the Virginia team of 1990 was probably their best ever. Danny may have had a hard time beating them that year also.
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Danny had one tendancy that everyone knew
Oct 30, 2012, 8:13 PM
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Cost him a few games and probably a NC or two.
He almost never threw the ball inside the 20's
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Re: Danny had one tendancy that everyone knew
Oct 31, 2012, 3:25 AM
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20's Hell! Danny wouldn't pass until he crossed his own 40. To his credit he won alot of games that way. The best compliment I ever heard anyone pay Clemson under Ford came from a Southwest Conference fan. He said " I'll say one thing about Clemson, you are good at what you do! That says it all right there about Danny Ford.
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I was a sophomore at clemson for that game but can not
Oct 30, 2012, 4:49 PM
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recall...getting old.
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It was during fall break and game was on the radio.
Oct 31, 2012, 7:02 PM
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Rodney Williams set either a school completion or attempts record, or both, by the time the game was over.
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I was at that game. I think you miss the point about Ford
Oct 30, 2012, 4:51 PM
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teams though.They were brutally physical. Jim Harbaugh type tough. That's why people loved them/him.
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Winning a National Championship will get you a little
Oct 30, 2012, 4:52 PM
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slack. Although, Gene Chizik is testing the limits of that theory as we speak.
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I was there
Oct 30, 2012, 4:56 PM
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Thanks to the guy behind us i heard the word di?!o for the first time. "Come on Danny, ya dil?!o!!!" Lotta short high kickoffs and at least one fumble thereof. Several other turnovers and general sleepwalking.
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Bad game. We came out throwing in the 2nd half all over the
Oct 30, 2012, 5:00 PM
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field. Rodney Williams was an option QB but that game he threw all 2nd half. We caught up 30-28 and got the ball back and then on a drive to go ahead we fumbled or got intercepted--can't remember. It was not the worst loss though. We also went to Cooterville and got pounded.
Sunshine was we beat the crap out of Penn State in the Citrus Bowl.
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And in that Citrus Bowl RW threw the ball all over...
Oct 30, 2012, 5:08 PM
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Joe Pa and the pedophile"s defense. They stacked the box to stop the option and Rodney passed all over them.
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Re: Bad game. We came out throwing in the 2nd half all over the
Oct 30, 2012, 5:31 PM
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You are correct....think Rodney set the record for most passing attempts in a game(50+). We actually got the ball back around midfield and on third down and short, Tracy Johnson dropped a pass wide open that would have easily put us in field goal posistion.
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Yeah, we turned it over on downs with ~1 minute left
Oct 31, 2012, 12:57 AM
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I think Rodney's pass on 3rd or 4th down hit the umpire.
And I've heard (maybe from JoeCobb) that, when Danny went into the locker room at halftime down 30-0, he looked at the players a bit, then just said with a grin, "I guess we're going to have to pass."
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Re: "Danny Ford never lost games he wasn't supposed to"
Oct 30, 2012, 5:03 PM
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One of the worst games we ever played under Coach Ford. The first half was ATROCIOUS.
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My sophmore year. Danny Sheridan ran the draw play all
Oct 30, 2012, 5:11 PM
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1st half and our over aggressive defense got burned over and over. It was fall break and I left at half time (the only CU game I ever left early for) I listened on the radio. We made adjustments and shut them down. I believe we either missed a fg or onside kick near the end that would have won the game.
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Danny Sheridan?
Oct 30, 2012, 5:31 PM
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I believe it was #### Sheridan.
Sheridan coached at Furman before NC St. and circled the Clemson game every year. I believe they won 3 in a row. Clemson also had a couple down years in mid 80s, where NC St. took advantage.
Danny’s teams did try to sleep walk through some of the weaker games, but they always came to play in the big games. Look at his bowl record and who they beat!
Danny’s philosophy — tough, physical & Conditioning
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Re: "Danny Ford never lost games he wasn't supposed to"
Oct 30, 2012, 5:51 PM
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From what I've heard about Danny's teams (I would a youngster around the end of his career), they would hit you in the mouth.
The knock on the modern Clemson teams has been that they weren't very physical and fold if you hit them in the mouth hard enough...just as much as it is about losing games we're not supposed to.
I think the knock in a lot of Clemson losses over the years is that they just come out and get manhandled against inferior, weaker, less talented teams.
Shoot --- do you remember the Wofford game last year? Their 250 lb lineman mauled ours on both sides of the ball in the 1st half. I'm glad we got it together, because that was looking like App State-Michigan waiting to happen.
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We lost or tied 17 times in the 80s to teams that finished
Oct 30, 2012, 6:59 PM
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unranked. We lost or tied against unranked teams every single year except 81 and 83. That means that outside of those two years, we lost about 2 games a year to teams we were supposed to beat.
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Re: We lost or tied 17 times in the 80s to teams that finished
Oct 30, 2012, 7:21 PM
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You kind of have to factor in the other 2 years in order to get an accurate average, though right?
It was more like 1 loss to unranked opponents some years, 2 losses to unranked opponents other years.
And that's not even accounting for the fact that an unranked team could be favored....and thus Clemson wasn't necessarily "supposed to beat" them.
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Hard to go back and see who was truly favored in every case,
Oct 30, 2012, 8:33 PM
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but you can get a pretty good idea.
We lost or tied 7 games in which we were ranked and our opponent was not.
We lost 6 other games in which we were ranked higher than our opponent.
We lost 4 other games to teams that wound up with a losing record, games in which I'm sure we would have been favored.
The point remains, that we still had plenty of frustrating losses, games we were "supposed" to win that we didn't.
The 80s WERE a great time for Clemson football. ####, I was in my 20s, so they were better than now for me in several ways, but in both cases, I probably glorify the good while minimizing the bad. I think we all do.
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At the time Danny left
Oct 30, 2012, 7:29 PM
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I think his winning percentage was in top 5-7 among active coaches.
His players not only went on to the NFL, but many also made Pro-Bowl
Danny leaving was one of the STUPIDEST decisions—PERIOD
By both the Adminstration & Danny
Those that disagree deserve the Hatfield, West & Bowden years.
They always want Bobby Bowden anyway. Even though Clemson was better than FSU at that time. Just look at both 88 & 89 games.
Even the game we lost, it was evident who the better team was.
Punt return by Deon & the punt—rooskie
The biggest beneficiary of Danny’s departure was Bobby Bowden. Free ride through the schedule + our recruits started leaving for FSU.
With that said, I love our current coaches.
But, would love to see that toughness again
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Very well said. I agree with all of that.***
Oct 30, 2012, 8:38 PM
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Re: "Danny Ford never lost games he wasn't supposed to"
Oct 30, 2012, 7:07 PM
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Always heard at least one time a year after the what the heck loss " I didnt have the youngsters to play today." Danny always took the blame for the loss - not like our neighbor from down below blaming bumped heads.
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We didnt show up ready to play. Finally decided to in...
Oct 30, 2012, 7:18 PM
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2nd half, but too late.
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Worst loss ever under Danny, I think .
Oct 30, 2012, 7:23 PM
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http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/01/sports/college-football-duke-rallies-to-stun-clemson.html
COLLEGE FOOTBALL; Duke Rallies to Stun Clemson
By BARRY JACOBS, Special to The New York Times
Published: October 01, 1989
Just a week ago, after watching a rout of his Duke squad, Coach Steve Spurrier pronounced his team's chances of victory in the coming game against Clemson as one in a million. Today, that most improbable triumph came to pass, as the Blue Devils defeated the previously unbeaten Tigers, 21-17.
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The GT loss that year was much worse
Oct 31, 2012, 12:57 AM
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Duke was a good team that year. And we were playing in soggy Durham.
GT sucked and hadn't won a I-A game in over a year. It was at home. On Homecoming. (Of course GT didn't lose another game for about two years.)
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Just about every game Danny lost was a game he wasn't
Oct 30, 2012, 7:52 PM
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supposed to lose.
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Re: Just about every game Danny lost was a game he wasn't
Oct 30, 2012, 7:54 PM
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And if you were around Clemson in 1980, there were many big IPTAY people who were ready to run him off-the coot game might have saved him
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Haha, that's exactly the game I thought of when I read yrSL.***
Oct 30, 2012, 7:56 PM
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I made this point a few years ago and was instructed...
Oct 30, 2012, 8:01 PM
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by people using very harsh language, that I didn't know what I was talking about, that NC State that year was actually better than we were or some such bs.
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There are games we're supposed to lose?***
Oct 30, 2012, 8:10 PM
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Danny did lose games we weren't suppose to in conference.
Oct 30, 2012, 8:44 PM
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However, he destroyed legends in bowl games!
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#### Sheridan beat Danny three years in a row with inferior
Oct 30, 2012, 8:52 PM
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talent. He stacked the box and dared us to pass. Rodney was great at the option but average passing. However, in the game you speak of we came out and went crazy passing quite a bit. We almost made the miracle come back.
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Re: #### Sheridan beat Danny three years in a row with inferior
Oct 30, 2012, 9:43 PM
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he sure did..NCSU had no where close to our talent
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Shocked Blue Caddie isn't on here blasting everyone including
Oct 30, 2012, 9:48 PM
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Dabo for this thread
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Re: "Danny Ford never lost games he wasn't supposed to"
Oct 30, 2012, 10:08 PM
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Not true. I was in Durham when we were playing Duke, a team we should have beaten, when Danny played not to lose instead of playing to win, and let Duke beat us. That team in 1989 was a better team than our national championship one.
Sat in pouring rain to watch that one.
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DANNY MADE me learn to HATE N C STATE !!!! #######
Oct 31, 2012, 3:28 AM
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would beat us
HATED IT !!!!!!!
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5th best team of the 80s. 30-2-2 1981-83 Great against top
Oct 31, 2012, 3:50 AM
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20 teams and great in bowl games against very good teams. 5-5-1 against UGa during the height of their program.
Yes, Ford lost some he should not have, but anyone that thinks Dabo is even remotely Danny Ford needs to see a shrink.
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I'll say this: there are two people directly responsible
Oct 31, 2012, 6:47 AM
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for Clemson's ability to garner attention from the national media and other coaches: Frank Howard and Danny Ford. Howard due to his longevity, personality and reasonable success in the 40's and 50's. And Ford due to his outstanding success, including defeats of some of the nation's top programs...Ohio State, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Penn State, Stanford. Ford in my opinion was primarily responsible for our attitude of "expecting" to win games...even against other powerhouses. That needs to be our attitude now...to expect to win, rather than "hoping" simply because we aren't sure which Clemson team will show. And I really hope Dabo will be the coach to take us back to that attitude during the Ford years.
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Re: "Danny Ford never lost games he wasn't supposed to"
Oct 31, 2012, 8:40 AM
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Wrong, I remember games against NC State, GT, and Duke where we were heavy favorites and lost.
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Re: "Danny Ford never lost games he wasn't supposed to"
Oct 31, 2012, 8:50 AM
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Well you see the game of football is comprised of 2 teams playing a game for 60 minutes. The game is divided into 2 halves. Each half is divided into 2 quaters.
So you take all the points scored at any time during the game and you add them all together. So if one team scores 30 points in the first half and none in the second half their total is 30. If the other scores 0 in the first half and 28 in the second half their total is 28. 30 is more than 28 therfore the team with 30 wins the football game. That is exactly what happened in the football game between Clemson and NC State in 1988. And you see the moral of the story is you have to play the whole game.
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Re: "Danny Ford never lost games he wasn't supposed to"
Oct 31, 2012, 8:55 AM
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Please forgive me in my explanation of the events and how fotball works I stated the year as 1988 and actually I was speaking of the game played in 1987. However the same rules apllied in 1988 and they still do today!
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Re: "Danny Ford never lost games he wasn't supposed to"
Oct 31, 2012, 8:51 AM
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#### Sheridan hated Clemson and always had his team motivated and they played harder against us than they did against anyone else
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Just came out really flat and got behind..(long)
Oct 31, 2012, 5:57 PM
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Just started airing it out in the 2nd half and relied on superior athleticism to get back in it. Rodney Williams, our strictly-option QB, set a then-Ncaa-record by attempting 42 passes in the 2nd half. We also failed on 2 2-point conversions after our last 2 scores I believe.. ( Other old-timers fact-check me on that one!) My cousin was a walk-on and said when they went into the lockerroom at halftime they thought Danny was going to just cuss everybody out.. He said the assistants were screaming and yelling and Danny just came in and calmly told them all to be quiet. Said he then took the chalk and calmy told the team if they would listen up and trust the coaches that we were going to win.. Its sTill about the most exciting 2nd half of football at DV I ever saw because seeing us throw that much was just so uncharacteristic and the crowd was just going nuts as we crept closer.
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Rodney threw it about 50 times in the second half.***
Oct 31, 2012, 8:39 PM
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