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Tiger Titan [46471]
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Someone explain to me why a foreign-born billionaire is telling Congress
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What to do and dictating the bills they pass and telling members of Congress to back off of certain bills and making veiled threats and demanding no bills pass until Trump takes office. Along with spreading falsities about the bill's contents. AND apparently Republicans immediately obeyed Musk once he made his demands.
Why the #### is this even happening? Does this not concern everyone here that someone like Musk is making these demands on our government, even jumping to it before the president-elect weighs in.
You don't like the bill? That's fine. I don't either. That's completely immaterial here. The American people and Congress should be making these decisions, not a megalomaniac billionaire from another country who won't be affected in the slightest over this bill.
Man, y'all know I can't stand Trump but Trump should be running the office of the presidency. Not Musk.
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Trump is Musk's B!tch***
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Musk has zero authority to do anything dealing with Congress.
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Dec 19, 2024, 1:45 PM
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They should tell him to pound sand.
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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Very concerning how quickly they caved to him.***
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Dec 19, 2024, 1:48 PM
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Associate AD [1056]
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Trump has proved multiple times that his positions are
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Dec 19, 2024, 3:37 PM
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for sale to the highest bidder. Elon’s money got Trump elected, now Trump will let him do what he wants and provide him with kickbacks. It wasn’t a campaign donation from Elon, it was an investment.
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Oh, by all means, let's continue the practice of a shadow leader then!***
Dec 20, 2024, 8:18 AM
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Clemson Icon [26663]
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You've been defending it for 4 years... "cause T-Rump."***
Dec 20, 2024, 11:11 AM
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Clemson Conqueror [11336]
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Re: Someone explain to me why a foreign-born billionaire is telling Congress
Dec 19, 2024, 1:45 PM
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Because he is the wealthiest man on Earth.
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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Yeah, figured that's all it really boils down to
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Dec 19, 2024, 1:46 PM
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I'm becoming less concerned with Trump and more with him. He seems to be trying to shoehorn himself into running our nation. Trump should probably watch his back with him.
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Orange Beast [6579]
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Re: Someone explain to me why a foreign-born billionaire is telling Congress
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I'd guess the outrage from voters who just elected these clowns to govern differently had more to do with it than anything else. Trump didn't support it and voters don't support it so why does the boogeyman Musk get all the credit for it now being DOA? I guess it's a nice narrative to spin but what's the proof he singlehandedly killed this terrible piece of "legislation"?
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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He was all over it before Trump was
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Dec 19, 2024, 1:48 PM
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And Pub Congressmen who previously supported the bill started caving once Musk launched into attack.
Trump is president elect. I expect him to have something to say about the bill, good or bad. That's the way it works. Elon Musk shouldn't have any ####### place near this.
Clearly he's testing the waters to see how much Congress will obey him. He's a threat to America.
Don't be too quick to defend him; he'll over reach eventually in an area you don't like. Remember, he thinks he's living in a video game.
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It's freaking bizarre where we are as a country right now...
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Dec 19, 2024, 2:38 PM
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MAGA's main principles are anti-immigration and anti-elitism mixed with some evangelicalism pseudo-religious dogma. Cut to Trump and Musk--Trump you have an elitist, non-religious liar and sinner who has twice married an immigrant, and Musk, who was at a time, an illegal immigrant here who now is the richest man on Earth (largely through government subsidies) who is also non-religious and believes himself hyper-intelligent. Both men appear to be leading the Republican party and soon country and it makes one wonder how we got here, lol.
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You wonder how we got here? We didn't have any idea who was actually running
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Dec 19, 2024, 2:45 PM
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the country the past 4 years, and you guys were totally OK with that. I think if you took a step out of your bubble for a minute, you would find peoples motivation for supporting Trump are in no way what you think they are. This is precisely the kind of shake up people have been yearning for, whether you like it or not.
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CU Medallion [18417]
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What's it called when you say you want something and then support the opposite?***
Dec 19, 2024, 2:48 PM
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Heisman Winner [81033]
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It's going to be amusing, although unsurprising watching you guys
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Dec 19, 2024, 2:55 PM
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flip flop positions based on Elon's stance. You are part of the crowd who thought Biden was totally fine up until recently, after all.
We all want less government spending, right? Or do you want to continue on with the completely unsustainable status quo?
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What's it called when you say you want something and then support the opposite?***
Dec 19, 2024, 3:00 PM
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Ill go ahead and concede, after learning more Im with Chip Roy on this***
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and b/c of Roy's position on this one issue, Trump wants Roy out of the party.***
Dec 19, 2024, 9:04 PM
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Yes, and I have a problem with that. I think hes one of the best Pubs out there
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Dec 19, 2024, 9:14 PM
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If infighting begins with someone like Roy, that doesn’t bode well for the Trump administration to accomplish anything. I’d think people like JD Vance are in damage control mode right now.
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I agree. This is a precursor to the next 4 years.***
Dec 19, 2024, 9:46 PM
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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Heisman Winner [81033]
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They were, they pretended he was fine up until the end
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Dec 19, 2024, 8:48 PM
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That and Covid is a big reason media has no credibility anymore. Had they not been so blatantly FOS and biased, I doubt we’d find ourselves here. Granted, I don’t have much of a problem with what Elon is doing, it’s time to shake things up. Although as I said above, I’m with Chip Roy on this particular issue.
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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Who here pretended it was fine?
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Dec 20, 2024, 8:21 AM
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And you don't have a problem with a man who wasn't elected to office and isn't even an American now wielding this power over Congress? Why?
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Who do you think has been running the country for the last 4 years? They weren't
Dec 20, 2024, 11:17 AM
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elected. They were appointed by the Uni-Party ethnic machine.
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Re: You wonder how we got here? We didn't have any idea who was actually running
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I’ll never understand the whole “we don’t know who was running the country” thing. Someone please help me understand this, who those people really are, and how the last administration was different from any other. Before anyone gets their knickers in a twist thinking I’m defending Biden, I’m not. I honestly just don’t get this conspiracy at all.
Like do you mean the cabinet? Do you mean the chief of staff? The VP, the president’s family? Lobbyists? Like seriously who are we referring to, and why was this just now a problem? I think people are just drawing incorrect conclusions after seeing the immediate temporal contrast between a president who never talks to the media or tweets and one who shares every thought in his head day and night.
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Heisman Winner [81033]
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Who picked all of those people? It wasnt Biden
Dec 19, 2024, 8:38 PM
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The VP was very clearly….not capable, so it wasn’t her. Nobody knows who assembled that staff, you don’t think that’s a problem?
You think if Dabo was in the late stages of Alzheimer’s the football program would just take care of itself while still being successful?
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Re: Who picked all of those people? It wasnt Biden
Dec 19, 2024, 9:34 PM
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You’ve just said more people it wasn’t… who was in charge???
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Heisman Winner [81033]
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Im not sure if this is a question, statement, or what***
Dec 19, 2024, 10:09 PM
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Re: Im not sure if this is a question, statement, or what***
Dec 19, 2024, 10:10 PM
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It’s a question. Can you give me some sort of lead about who was actually in charge? I’m trying to understand this point of view.
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Heisman Winner [81033]
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No, I cant. Biden should have been in an old person facility in 2020
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Dec 19, 2024, 10:21 PM
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And his VP is/was a functional ######….so who has been making decisions? We don’t know. Of course, that was never a problem. But now Elon rallies the population against a bill and that’s a threat to democracy lol.
I thought my Dabo with Alzheimer’s analogy made my point of view pretty clear.
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Ultimate Tiger [36265]
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Re: No, I cant. Biden should have been in an old person facility in 2020
Dec 19, 2024, 10:27 PM
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So like…. Not even a guess?
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I could speculate, but what difference does it make? Nobody knows who
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Has been calling the shots, and that’s the crux of the problem. Which is why it’s disingenuous to whine about Elon tweets being a threat to democracy when the White House has been a real life Weekend at Bernie’s for 4 years.
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Re: I could speculate, but what difference does it make? Nobody knows who
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No see it would make a difference, because just saying “we don’t know who was in charge” just sounds like a half baked podcast conspiracy that everyone just repeats but nobody really knows what it means. Couldn’t it have just been like… old Joe Biden? I guess I’m just not into political fanfic or whatever, I don’t look at social media maybe I just don’t get it. Nvm dude, I think we’re just talking past each other.
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Or its just observable reality? If you dont think its a problem the President
Dec 19, 2024, 11:07 PM
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Wasn’t coherent enough to take questions or compete sentences, I’m not sure what to tell you. He could barely walk, but the idea he wasn’t capable of being President is a conspiracy….OK
If Jimmy Carter became head of your hospital tomorrow, you wouldn’t question who was actually making important decisions?
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Re: Or its just observable reality? If you dont think its a problem the President
Dec 19, 2024, 11:18 PM
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I think you’re exaggerating a lot. It’s cool, I think I get it now, it’s not literally suggesting some shadow figure was secretly pulling puppet strings, it’s just a more colorful way to say that Biden sucks at communicating and is old.
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I really dont think I am, Ive watched a lot of old folks go down that road
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He’s been meat puppet for a few years now, I think it’s fair to question who has been pushing the agenda.
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You denied he was mentally incapacitated to the bitter end, so Im not sure
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Your judgement is entirely sound.
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CU Medallion [18417]
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if that makes you feel better about your own argument, so be it.***
Dec 19, 2024, 11:33 PM
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Orange Elite [5394]
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The president elect made him the co-chair of DOGE
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So it’s his job to read / analyze spending bills
And it’s his purview to understand how Chuck Schumer plans to use the debt ceiling to thwart their efforts in the new year
I am glad we have an incoming administration with wicked smart business people advising our president elect on budgetary matters and negotiations
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Re: The president elect made him the co-chair of DOGE
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It is not his job to try to strong arm Congress into doing his bidding. And his job is a made-up BS one.
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Orange Elite [5394]
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Thats such a load of crap
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Trump is putting him in charge of cutting wasteful spending and if you don’t think congress is the where all wasteful spending starts, then you are dumber than I give you credit for
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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That shows how ignorant you are on this
Dec 20, 2024, 8:24 AM
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He's invented a new department that has little teeth--Reagan tried something similar in the 80s. Musk can't cut much of what he wants to as it's required by law to fund it. He would need Congress to overturn the laws.
And if Musk wants to cut wasteful spending, what's he going to do with Trump, who proved he was one of the worst wasteful spending presidents in our history.
Read something for once.
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Re: The president elect made him the co-chair of DOGE
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Re: The president elect made him the co-chair of DOGE
Dec 19, 2024, 9:55 PM
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Any Congress person can tell Musk to #### off.
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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How about American citizens grow up and tell him to #### off.***
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Yeah! Fire George Soros !***
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Yall had a Prez do the same
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LOL
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He wasn't the only one. Voters are done with that crap.
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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The people voters put in power put forth this bill
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A man who isn't even an American and hasn't been elected to anything strong armed legislators into going against it, thus subverting the will of the American people.
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Amen***
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He's not.***
Dec 20, 2024, 8:25 AM
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Yes, he is.***
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Nope. He was a college student when he moved here.
Dec 20, 2024, 12:02 PM
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You treat Haitians who are here legally as if they aren't humans, some of them younger than Musk when he got here.
If he's American, so are they.
Neither of them are.
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I think the old fashioned "phone ringing off the hook" response from
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constituents has a tremendous amount of influence on the GOP members of Congress:
https://x.com/ChadPergram/status/1869517151196913928
Sure... Musk put out his take on this bad "CR" (really a bloated Omnibus) and was against it but that alone is not enough. It takes constituents who are fed up with this kind of garbage to call their reps and complain about this DC Swamp, business as usual porkulous bill - me being one of them.
Did Musk convince others through his tweets to call/email and complain to their Reps...I suspect so. But I also wouldn't discount there were some Republicans (and other Right wing commentators) already complaining against the bill before Musk weighed in. I'm also pretty sure that a lot of the folks contacting their Reps didn't really require Musk's disapproval of the bill to act as this CR was a bad bill and they could see it on their own accord.
Personally I found Nancy Mace's take on the bill to be much more valuable than anything posted by Musk. This video in particular was enlightening (soon to be followed by specific examples of the pork/garbage littered throughout the bill):
https://x.com/RepNancyMace/status/1869514227322605959
IMO, Trump and Vance weighing in on the bill did the most damage to this bill. Like it or not - the GOP is their Party now and when they publicly tubed the bill last night it's demise was all but a certainty.
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Re: I think the old fashioned "phone ringing off the hook" response from
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Orange Beast [6587]
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Was it Musk/Ramaswamy?
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Or was it the simple act of publishing the bill? America, those two included, are simply reacting to its ridiculousness
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I could react on Twitter and demand a No vote or else...
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And no one cares. Musk knows the power he has and they caved to it. It's too much power for one man in America.
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It's got raises for Congress
Dec 19, 2024, 3:14 PM
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80% of America is saying no or else
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This is still missing the point.
Dec 19, 2024, 5:06 PM
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I also oppose the bill. I get that many Americans do.
The point is that it had bipartisan support, whether we like it or not, and this ### clown Elon suddenly came in and chased them all off of it. He doesn't dictate our government, but he #### sure thinks he does now.
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of us would consider "bipartisan".
I don't consider having a designated few from the Party power brokers (from both sides) putting together a 1500 page spending bill in secrecy then completely bypassing the committee process and the broader membership only to force it upon the rest of Congress as must pass legislation in the last hour as "bipartisan". It's empowering a political oligarchy through insider Government cronyism that disenfranchises most of our elected representatives from the process which ultimately gives us, the people, no voice in how our Government spends our taxpayer dollars. It is a detestable practice and it is time to stop it...now...
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Clemson Icon [26663]
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I'm glad you took the time to explain it all to him... He seems lost.***
Dec 20, 2024, 11:30 AM
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Clemson Conqueror [11454]
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Re: Someone explain to me why a foreign-born billionaire is telling Congress
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Dec 19, 2024, 3:35 PM
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This foreign-born billionaire isn't dictating anything.
This foreign-born billionaire is bringing out into the open things that were hidden behind closed doors in the past and it's making those who vote for and actually dictate things uncomfortable.
We're $36 TRILLION in debt.
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Game Day Hero [4224]
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Re: Someone explain to me why a foreign-born billionaire is telling Congress
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Dec 20, 2024, 6:56 AM
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Spot on! America just sent a clear message in the election and right out of the gate they ignored it.
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Game Day Hero [4224]
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Dec 19, 2024, 5:20 PM
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Maybe because Elon is a citizen and congress works for us? I think congress is in for a rude awakening. Voters spoke loud and clear and congress was already trying to ignore us. But right now a lot of them are saying “uh oh the peasants were serious”.
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Ultimate Tiger [36265]
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Re: Someone explain to me why a foreign-born billionaire is telling Congress
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Dec 19, 2024, 6:27 PM
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I’m just glad the elites and non-elected shadow handlers are being cast out of the executive branch next month.
In all seriousness, I honestly hope they can accomplish the task of cutting government spending, but 1) I’ll believe it when I see it and 2) I’m excited to see the response from the people who voted for this when the consequences arrive. Nobody likes government spending, right up until the things that benefit them are taken away. Nobody wants illegals until chicken thighs are $20/lb. Nobody wants FEMA funded until their house floats down a river. Nobody wants regulations until their bank collapses and their accounts disappear. I would be concerned that the needs and wants of the common man may exactly not be in the forefront of the minds of the billionaires that are about to come into power.
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Clemson Icon [26663]
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Considering the priorities of the last 4 years, I'll take a chance with change.***
Dec 20, 2024, 11:37 AM
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Head Coach [998]
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Dec 19, 2024, 7:14 PM
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What to do and dictating the bills they pass and telling members of Congress to back off of certain bills and making veiled threats and demanding no bills pass until Trump takes office. Along with spreading falsities about the bill's contents. AND apparently Republicans immediately obeyed Musk once he made his demands.
Why the #### is this even happening? Does this not concern everyone here that someone like Musk is making these demands on our government, even jumping to it before the president-elect weighs in.
You don't like the bill? That's fine. I don't either. That's completely immaterial here. The American people and Congress should be making these decisions, not a megalomaniac billionaire from another country who won't be affected in the slightest over this bill.
Man, y'all know I can't stand Trump but Trump should be running the office of the presidency. Not Musk.
Hey man, maybe we should just be happy it's not Putin calling the shots in America. Wait, wait, it could be him next week. D a m n.
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just be thankful the pork bill didn't pass and a better bill will replace it***
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Dec 19, 2024, 7:16 PM
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Orange Immortal [65258]
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You mad bro. Bad mad
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Dec 19, 2024, 8:54 PM
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That someone is finally, Nancy Mace, showing how the pork is made and the fat that is introduced. Outrage ensues and people demand their representatives be held accountable. They are held accountable and you cry.
Biden and Harris are still in office. Maybe you place your anger on them for being so ineffective
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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I'd be better off explaining government to a toddler
Dec 20, 2024, 8:28 AM
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Then trying to explain it to you.
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Clemson Icon [26663]
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Tabby had to explain it to you up above... Maybe you learned something.***
Dec 20, 2024, 11:39 AM
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Orange Immortal [65258]
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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You forgot to tag me in it...
Dec 20, 2024, 8:27 AM
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Since you're gay for me lately. Gayer than you usually are.
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Clemson Icon [26663]
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Self-incrimination is always so cute... Cutie.***
Dec 20, 2024, 11:41 AM
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Campus Hero [13362]
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You talkin 'bout Soros?
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Dec 19, 2024, 9:02 PM
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oh no, but you're suddenly mad. Shocker
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Re: Someone explain to me why a foreign-born billionaire is telling Congress
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Dec 19, 2024, 11:34 PM
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Might be because he’s the head of the department of government efficiency. Interest costs just surpassed defense and Medicare spending for the first time. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come. We can all agree that changes are long overdue.
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Tiger Titan [46471]
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A made-up department with no authority Congress. Read.***
Dec 20, 2024, 8:29 AM
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Clemson Icon [26663]
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Couldn't... They waited till the last day to reveal the Bill. Guess not.***
Dec 20, 2024, 11:43 AM
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