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JIMBO FISHER
Jan 14, 2018, 12:59 PM
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Does anyone else besides me think he is the most overrated coach in football? I think aTm will regret that contract, even though they have seemingly limitless cash. Recruiting and coaching are 2 different things{Mack Brown}.
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He does own a natty, but I've always
Jan 14, 2018, 1:03 PM
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thought like you: he won with better talent, period. Not a great coach, IMO. Simply recruits and then does whatever is necessary to keep them eligible (crablegs).
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Orange Blooded [2013]
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Re: He does own a natty, but I've always
Jan 14, 2018, 5:28 PM
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A great quarterback can make a mediocre coach look really good. See Chizik, chuck amoto, Rich Rod, etc.
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Game Day Hero [4109]
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Re: He does own a natty, but I've always
Jan 14, 2018, 5:40 PM
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If I wasn't a Clemson fan, I would jump all over this one...can't leave your guard down like that.
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Solid Orange [1305]
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Re: He does own a natty, but I've always
Jan 15, 2018, 3:39 AM
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Jump on it "Clemson fan". What's the problem?
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Re: He does own a natty, but I've always
Jan 15, 2018, 8:31 AM
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Because Deshaun Watson made Tony Elliot and Jeff Scott look brilliant. Not saying they aren't good, but I don't think they are nearly close to what Deshaun did under them. They really struggled at times this year and were completely out-schemed against Bama.
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Solid Orange [1305]
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Re: He does own a natty, but I've always
Jan 15, 2018, 3:33 PM
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Clemson just won a conference title, made the playoffs and finished 4th with KB. A season like that for the chickens would be the best in their entire history yet we can’t have a good season without Deshaun.
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My vote goes to Harbaugh
Jan 14, 2018, 1:03 PM
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At least Jimbo has a championship on his resume.
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Re: My vote goes to Harbaugh
Jan 14, 2018, 1:05 PM
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neck and neck
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Re: My vote goes to Harbaugh
Jan 14, 2018, 4:28 PM
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Khaki pants is definetely the most overrated.
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Rival Killer [2642]
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That's absurd. Everywhere Harbaugh has gone improved
Jan 14, 2018, 8:39 PM
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dramatically from his first day there.
Stanford was West coast Wake Forest.
49'ers sucked, and at least he got them to a Super Bowl.
He won at U f San Diego.
Michigan was a dumpster fire and they were dramatically better in season 1.
He's a good qb from winning the B1G. Has always had good defense.
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Re: JIMBO FISHER
Jan 14, 2018, 1:05 PM
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I’m actually going to ride the fence on this one. When he started he had Bowden’s players sure, but he recruited really well and won a lot of ball games before the wheels came off. He is walking into an opportunity that few coaches have Swinney and Saban being two, in that they have the resources, facilities and desire to have an elite program. He won’t fail because he doesn’t have support. I actually wish him great success with any and everyone he plays, except Clemson. I hope he knocks the beak off of the dirtpeckers and runs havoc over the rest of the rest of the SEC
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Bowden's player were worse than what Jimbo recruited
Jan 14, 2018, 11:16 PM
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He raised the talent level at FSU back to where it was before Bowden went completely over the hill in the 2000s.
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I DONT THINK HE IS MOST OVERRATED
Jan 14, 2018, 1:09 PM
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HE MAY NOT BE OVERRATED AT ALL. COULD BE A TOP 10 COACH OR MAYBE HE IS TOP 25.
HE IS A TOP RECRUITER AND PLAY CALLER IMHO.
I AM GOING TO HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOUR OPINION.
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Re: I DONT THINK HE IS MOST OVERRATED
Jan 14, 2018, 1:19 PM
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time will tell
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Re: JIMBO FISHER
Jan 14, 2018, 1:22 PM
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he has poor leadership and is a fool to think that he can put a true freshman behind center and run a pro style offense.
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Re: JIMBO FISHER
Jan 14, 2018, 1:23 PM
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He seems to be challenged in terms of character. Is a great recruiter and decent coach but did not do much after crab legs moved to the NFL. Were I king of aTm CCM would have been my choice over Fisher as for me character always counts and catches up to a coach in the end
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Re: JIMBO FISHER
Jan 14, 2018, 2:05 PM
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...is really short. He really is...
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Re: JIMBO FISHER
Jan 14, 2018, 2:09 PM
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In his final few years at FSU he definitely underachieved. FSU has five stars all over the field and it's unacceptable to lose as many games as they did over the last 3 years or so with as much talent that it is in Tallahassee. That being said, A&M is a sleeping giant just waiting to be awoken. They have great facilities, a large and passionate fan base, and a gold mine of recruits in the state of Texas that want to play in the SEC. Jimbo has all the resources to succeed and will have the talent...but will he flounder with it like he did in his last few years at FSU? Who knows
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Re: JIMBO FISHER
Jan 14, 2018, 4:13 PM
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Could be wrong but I believe the administration was constantly fighting Fisher. Fisher wanted to upgrade and administration did not. He didn’t have a lot of support
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I think Jimbo is a good coach.
Jan 14, 2018, 2:12 PM
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Obviously a good recruiter, and he has a national championship and several ACC championships on his resume. Given the talent he has acquired, I think his teams should've done better in some of them. He's a good but not great coach IMO.
Harbaugh is far more overrated if you ask me. What has he won? He did pretty well at Stanford, but he hasn't done much at Michigan.
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Re: I think Jimbo is a good coach.
Jan 14, 2018, 5:22 PM
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Oh, BTW, the Wolverines have 1 Natty after 1948. Not so hot.
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National Champion [7712]
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I agree. He had some great teams, 5 stars all over
Jan 14, 2018, 2:36 PM
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The field at multiple positions. You can say he was a good recruiter but then again you could say FSU will recruit itself.
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Paw Master [17302]
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Re: I agree. He had some great teams, 5 stars all over
Jan 14, 2018, 3:39 PM
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Agree FSU recruits itself. For those on this board and all the sports media that fall all over Saban and kiss his butt remember Bama pretty much runs itself. But so many on here are so willing to place Saban on a pedestal. He is a good coach.
I think what Dabo has accomplished at Clemson outshines anything Saban has done at Bama because Saban is at a school where it’s much easy to recruit, get really good coaches and they have lots of cash to throw around.
I will take Dabo over Saban every time!
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Re: I agree. He had some great teams, 5 stars all over
Jan 14, 2018, 4:09 PM
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You have to admit that post Stallings and Pre Saban, Bama was pretty bad.
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Re: I agree. He had some great teams, 5 stars all over
Jan 14, 2018, 5:25 PM
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They won 1 Natty after Bear and before Nicky. That's 29 years. But I do believe Saban has been great.
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Paw Master [17302]
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Re: I agree. He had some great teams, 5 stars all over
Jan 14, 2018, 5:34 PM
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To some extent I agree but Bama was in trouble during those years with the NCAA. 2 of those years they were not even allowed to go to a BG. Bama is the easiest school to recruit at and they have more money than Fort Knox.
So no I don’t think Saban is anything but a good coach at a great school. And the SEC is not the same conference it was when Debois, Franchione and Shula were there.
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Re: JIMBO FISHER
Jan 14, 2018, 4:07 PM
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I honestly don't know. He did well until family problems messed him up. Maybe new job bring back his passion for the game. I don't like him, but the jury on him as a coach is still out.
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Definitely yes, FSU got lucky with him leaving...
Jan 14, 2018, 4:15 PM
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Jimbo has underachieved big time over the last 3 seasons. He isn’t good at replacing assistants.
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Nobody has done less with more than Jimbo over the past three seasons***
Jan 14, 2018, 4:18 PM
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100% agree***
Jan 14, 2018, 4:43 PM
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Most overrated coach in recent history
Jan 14, 2018, 4:42 PM
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Nothing but an OC...amazes me how these guys get labeled as great coaches, yet there is underachieving, and character issues swirling all around them. Too many 5 stars, not enough results. He is another Richt to me. Sounds like us, looks like us, he is one of us so we like him. Whatever man. I despise FSU with a passion. A&M just made a bad deal. Do not care....I will take CDS over any coach in the nation, period.
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Re: Most overrated coach in recent history
Jan 14, 2018, 5:27 PM
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I agree.
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Dynasty Maker [3294]
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Tale of two Jimbo’s
Jan 14, 2018, 5:36 PM
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Jimbo with Winston and Jimbo without Winston. His record with Winston is great, record without Winston is very average. To me that equates to being a good recruiter and an average coach.
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Once a Tiger, alway a Tiger...***
Jan 14, 2018, 5:40 PM
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I'm not ready to say that after one bad year. He has a
Jan 14, 2018, 11:15 PM
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good track record with QBs and has always made really good halftime adjustments. It is concerning that he seemed to be losing control a little bit towards the end at FSU, but he was there 8 years and things only started to become an issue at the very end. He may just need a fresh start.
Note: this doesn't mean i actually like Jimbo Fisher.
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Re: I'm not ready to say that after one bad year. He has a
Jan 15, 2018, 6:30 AM
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He is a top 10 coach but he is nowhere near Muschamp though!!!
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Re: JIMBO FISHER
Jan 15, 2018, 7:42 AM
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Jim Harbaugh much worse than Jimbo
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Honestly he reminds me of Dabo a little bit
Jan 15, 2018, 3:38 PM
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Recruits at a ridiculous level so he's always going to be competitive, but his assistant hires ultimately decide whether he's a 10 win coach or a national title coach.
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