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Judge Chutkan unsealed Jack Smith's filing document detailing Trumps efforts
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LOL***
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Oct 2, 2024, 4:23 PM
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Ring of Honor [23950]
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signs of cognitive dissonance.***
Oct 2, 2024, 4:31 PM
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Looks like that motion was filed today.***
Oct 2, 2024, 4:28 PM
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Ring of Honor [23950]
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I would imagine Clarence Thomas is pouring over it as we speak frantically
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Oct 2, 2024, 4:36 PM
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searching for a way to hold Trump above the law.
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Nah, Clarence just waits for his financiers to read it ...
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Oct 2, 2024, 4:38 PM
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... and then does what they want him to do.
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The Heritage Foundation should have something for him by the end of the day.***
Oct 2, 2024, 4:39 PM
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It definitely will.***
Oct 2, 2024, 5:11 PM
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Re: Judge Chutkan unsealed Jack Smith's filing document detailing Trumps efforts
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Oct 2, 2024, 5:15 PM
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What Trump and his minions did and said in November and December of 2020 has permanently altered the history of our nation. The simple act of having the decency to lose with grace eludes the man, it is an irredeemable character flaw. The peaceful transfer of power is one of those “democratic norms” that we used to be able to take pride in as a country.
There are a lot of hardcore MAGA dudes that read this forum, y’all need to understand and accept that this ^^^ is the primary reason a lot of us will never vote for him or the people who reinforce his deceit.
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And this line...
Oct 2, 2024, 8:32 PM
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The simple act of having the decency to lose with grace eludes the man, it is an irredeemable character flaw.
Clearly defines his base. He has done an outstanding job of gathering together the nation's babies whose daddies never taught them how to accept defeat like men.
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Deplorables is the word you are looking for.***
Oct 2, 2024, 9:00 PM
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Re: Deplorables is the word you are looking for.***
Oct 2, 2024, 11:47 PM
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Good analysis yesterday. Before Trump, the worst trash in this country was spread between the two major parties and independents. Trump cemented all the racists, nazis, and child molestors into the Republican party, giving them a solid 44% of the country as a base, up from 33% when Bush was president. Problem is, the trash has taken over.
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So, this says nothing new, per AI
Oct 2, 2024, 5:23 PM
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Summary of Government's Motion for Immunity Determinations
The defendant, Donald J. Trump, claims immunity from prosecution related to actions taken to overturn the 2020 election.
The government argues his conduct was private, not official, and thus not protected by presidential immunity.
The motion outlines Trump's alleged criminal activities, including deceitful actions aimed at state officials and inciting the January 6 Capitol riot.
The government seeks a court ruling that Trump must stand trial for his actions, asserting that none are immunized from prosecution.
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Ring of Honor [23950]
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Actually there is lots of new first person testimony of conversations with TRump
Oct 2, 2024, 7:42 PM
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that had not been revealed before including evidence that he knew he lost the election, among other things. Pence testimony as well.
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Hey limp dk morons; this is Jack Smiths swan song
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Oct 2, 2024, 5:29 PM
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Dude knows he’ll never get a conviction, but if he files a bunch of pages with zero defense of such; that morons like yourselves will jizz all over each other.
He has a terrible record and is trying to save some face with a document that can’t be disputed; as the case will never go to trial.
Eat it up lemmings and enjoy your shallow lives.
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Re: Hey limp dk morons; this is Jack Smiths swan song
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Oct 2, 2024, 5:32 PM
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You seem personally affected by people saying mean things about Donald Trump. Just look at you here, lashing out like an emotional woman on her period. Why do you think that is?
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Gridiron Giant [16097]
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lol, if I were lashing out at you; youd be bleeding.
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Oct 2, 2024, 5:34 PM
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I think you have too many feelings for a football board.
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You seem angry.
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Oct 2, 2024, 5:43 PM
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Are you angry?
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You seem fat.***
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Oct 2, 2024, 5:51 PM
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I'm not, but if I was, I could lose weight.
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Oct 2, 2024, 5:53 PM
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I think you're going to stay mad.
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Low T Keowee***
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Oct 2, 2024, 8:39 PM
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Re: Judge Chutkan unsealed Jack Smith's filing document detailing Trumps efforts
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Oct 2, 2024, 5:49 PM
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That's good news. We can start getting ready early for the next 'Impeachment' coming in January.
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J Smith filing has nothing to do with trying to win J6 case against Trump
Oct 2, 2024, 5:55 PM
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Its only purpose is to create a smear campaign against Trump.
This huge document is not related to the superseding indictment in that it is not intended as an evidentiary presentation.
Rather, the document is a prosecutorial soliloquy that pretends to enlighten the judge about how the prosecution’s case is not constrained by Article 2 presidential immunity protections. Being an opinion document, this ~ 160 page monster provides the platform for the DoJ’s legally bankrupt case to proffer the government’s wild theories as to how Trump tried to overthrow democracy.
Crooked irony is in play. The prosecution had previously gotten the gag order on Trump via the legal argument that Trump would reveal witness testimonies if he were not gagged. The prosecution argued that publicly revealing witness testimony before the trial went forward would be prejudicial to a future jury. So Trump got gagged. Yet, this ~160 page ‘background story’ document cites explicit witness testimonies. Even with the witness’ names being redacted, their testimony is now in the public. Be mindful that not witness testimony is allowed into a trial. The witnesses and their testimony is argued by both the defense and the prosecution before it gets admitted by the judge into evidence. Now, this witness testimony, which may not turn out to be admitted into evidence, has been aired for the world … and potential jurors … to see. Thus, prejudicing the trial and increasing the likelihood of a mistrial.
So, again, why would the prosecution want this aired and why would the TDS judge allow it to be aired? Because they know that the J6 case is DOA, but that public opinion might be influenced to the detriment of Trump’s electoral prospects.
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Re: J Smith filing has nothing to do with trying to win J6 case against Trump
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Oct 2, 2024, 8:08 PM
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Re: Well he is 34 for 34 on being a convicted felon,
Oct 2, 2024, 9:01 PM
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FYI.
The State of NY Appeals Court is now hearing Trump’s appeal of the ‘overvalued assets’ guilty verdict with the _$450,000,000 judgement. The prelimsry questions from the five appeals court judges … three of them in particular … ridiculed the prosecution’s attorney. This one from among the Trump guilty verdicts is going to be substantially, if not entirely, overturned. This might happen before the election, but probably not until afterward.
The State of NY vs Trump ‘hush money’ case is being run up the ladder of the Federal court system. Because the case itself was twisted into an election interference case, the Federal government has jurisdiction in this one. No one in the State of NY was harmed by the Trump hush money activity. Trump did not win NY State in either the 2016 or 2020 election. More relevant, election interference at the National level is not a state matter. The verdict in this travesty of a case and the 34 joke counts of fraud will be vacated by the US Appeals Court. That won’t happen until well after the election.
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Sure Jan.***
Oct 2, 2024, 9:06 PM
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This lead from the NY Times article on it says it all
Oct 2, 2024, 8:35 PM
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When told by an aide that Vice President Mike Pence was in peril as the rioting on Capitol Hill escalated on Jan. 6, 2021, President Donald J. Trump replied, “So what?”
Anyone who still defends this POS is themselves an enormous POS.
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MAGA dont care. Like Trump said, he could shoot
Oct 2, 2024, 8:41 PM
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someone on fifth avenue and not lose a vote. He is their cult leader, they worship him, it doesn’t matter what he says or does it’s not going to sway them.
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I think the ones who are quiet about it...
Oct 2, 2024, 8:42 PM
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Know how wrong and terrible he is but are just more afraid of the alternative.
It's the vocal ones who defend him who have no character.
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Re: I think the ones who are quiet about it...
Oct 2, 2024, 10:08 PM
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It’s the vocal ones who are deranged about him who have no brains.
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Vance destroys Kamalas chances
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Oct 2, 2024, 8:42 PM
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and it’s dossier time!!
Right on cue.
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One of the downsides to employing delay tactics is evidence comes out
Oct 2, 2024, 8:49 PM
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at some point and it's typically not good timing.
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What evidence?***
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Oct 2, 2024, 8:52 PM
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The evidence in the 165 page filing.***
Oct 2, 2024, 9:03 PM
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Oh, the 165 pages that is not creditable, objective, nor verifiable?
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Oct 2, 2024, 9:06 PM
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Got it. Really it’s just jack smiths diary of what he wishes he could prove; nothing more.
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It's sworn testimony from people who communicated directly with Donald Trump.***
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Oct 2, 2024, 9:08 PM
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Re: It's sworn testimony from people who communicated directly with Donald Trump.***
Oct 2, 2024, 11:45 PM
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They’ll believe some anonymous source with no who, when, where that pets are being eaten coz somebody said it, BUT sworn testimony from peoples lips that witnessed it all and participated = unbelievable
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Re: One of the downsides to employing delay tactics is evidence comes out
Oct 2, 2024, 9:33 PM
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The irony to your belief is that evidence did indeed come out. Not anything that helps the TDS’ers, however.
Trump / insurrection. That got destroyed once and for all by the e-mail evidence and transcripts of Gen.Mark Milley’s receipt of Trump’s J3 request (J3 came before J6) for the military to call up 10,000 troops to ‘keep everything safe,’ only for Milley to disobey a direct order from the (still through ~ Jan.20) Commander in Chief … Donald Trump. This evidence and transcripts are part of the Congressional record.
Soooo … Trump could not have been plann8ng a violent overthrow of the 2020 election because he called for 10,000 troops to keep everything safe.
As for the inflammatory ‘false electors’ (the correct term is “alternative electors”) matter, the ‘pre-2021’ purportedly ‘unambiguous’ law that made impossible a legal interpretation that alternate electors could feasible be lega was anything but ‘unambiguous.’
How do I know this? First, because the word “unambiguous” means that any interpretation other than THE ONE cannot be reached. A decomposed person is unambiguously dead. A walking talking person is unambiguously alive. A person in a deep comma with breathing so shallow that a layperson without instruments may not be able to discern breathing, indiscernible pulse via the fingers-on-the-wrist test, and unusually low body temperature is not unambiguously dead.
After Trump was denied court time to argue his slates of alternate electors, Congress passed another law to make their first ‘unambiguous’ no-alternative-electors law even more unambiguouser. The dead man wasn’t dead enough. He had to be judged to be even deader. That tells it all. If Congress and the legal community really believed that the law that Trump ‘broke’ was unambiguous, then the passage of an add-on law was utterly superfluous. Yet, Congress passed such an add-in law.
Finally, Pence said that Trump lost. Trump said ‘so what.’ Trump was tell8ng Pence that he didn’t respect Pence’s opinion. Trump 2as right in that the election results were inconclusive, and that those inconclusive results needed to be proven conclusive as a means of assuring election integrity. Enforcement of laws is the duty of the president.
State of GA is, only now, in the final stages (awaiting the verdict) of a multi- year (lack of) election integrity lawsuit that encompasses GA elections going all the way back to 2016. This is a Federal case. If Trump had been accused of being ‘wrong’ about his doubts about election integrity and subsequently about the election results, then this case alone validates his concerns. It also negates Mike Pence’s opinions.
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Lol***
Oct 2, 2024, 9:48 PM
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Re: Lol***
Oct 2, 2024, 10:05 PM
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It’s all true.
Just like the azzz whoopin’ Low-T Walz endured last night.
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