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TigerNet Immortal [176220]
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Hmmmm, interesting calculation formula for tariffs.
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Apr 3, 2025, 11:05 AM
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I'm already not a fan of how these tariffs are being implemented, but if this was the math we used to determine the reciprocal tariffs, holy crap.
Go down the list here at this link. Divide the trade deficit number by our imports from that country, and in every instance I tried, you will get the exact "tariffs charged to USA" percent. Holy crap.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/us-trade-deficit-by-country
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Oculus Spirit [40912]
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Nobody said MAGA was smart.
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Apr 3, 2025, 11:08 AM
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Like, seriously. Nobody. MAGA is about muscles, not math. Big, sexy, bulgy muscles...often on drunks and serial rapists.
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Tiger Titan [48478]
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I've already had a few debates with some MAGA friends...
Apr 3, 2025, 11:36 AM
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Whose only argument over this has boiled down to, "Grrr, how dare you question Trump!" These are people I'm genuinely worried about with large families. People whose fields will be very negatively impacted by tariffs.
Thing is, my household will probably be fine. Sure, there will be some hits, but not like theirs. That's why the MAGA "derp derp how does it affect you?!?!" whenever Trump does something terrible is so ridiculous. Even when they're too in love with him to see the harm, we're still worried about our friends and family. But I guess there will be only one way for them to learn, sadly.
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Re: I've already had a few debates with some MAGA friends...
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Apr 3, 2025, 11:40 AM
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Your helmet is on too tight again genius.
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Tiger Titan [48478]
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Can't wait until you can't pay your electric bill and you cry about Biden here.***
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Apr 3, 2025, 11:45 AM
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All-Pro [771]
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Re: Can't wait until you can't pay your electric bill and you cry about Biden here.***
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Apr 3, 2025, 12:14 PM
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Biden? You're chitting me. I'll bet that your house is filled with clown pictures.
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Tiger Titan [48478]
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You are SOLOs-level stupid and not funny.
Apr 3, 2025, 2:12 PM
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You add nothing to this board. You've now earned a rare spot on the ignore list. Someone take this old man's Internet time away.
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Oculus Spirit [40912]
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I've long been in my "Let them eat cake" era.
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Apr 3, 2025, 11:52 AM
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I'm 40, so not looking to retire any time soon. I have a reasonable mortgage at 3% interest so (fingers crossed) shouldn't lose the house even a hard recession. And, while my job is certainly economy-dependent, I'm non-specialized enough to find something else to help pay the bills, even if it's bussing tables.
So, if we need a "Great Relearning" to snap the MAGA populist poors from their Trump hypnosis with a world of economic suffering, let's rock and roll.
There's no debating with these people. Either they're mentally ill (like some folks here), genuinely low IQ (like some folks here), or just so angry they'll swallow whatever load gets put in their mouth so long as it doesn't taste woke (like some folks here) -- it's not worth the time.
I don't even like coming over here anymore because every time I do it's the same conversation and the same gotcha-logic (coming from both sides) without ever really making a difference -- but the Dow dropping 1500 points because Republicans no longer can win on being best for the economy was too much not to spike the football.
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Tiger Titan [48478]
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I'm getting there
Apr 3, 2025, 11:54 AM
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Problem is, if it gets bad enough, some people--both sides--are going to become really desperate and dangerous.
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Oculus Spirit [40912]
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Yeah. But nothing you can do about it on an individual level so why
Apr 3, 2025, 11:56 AM
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waste the time?
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Tiger Titan [48478]
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Facts
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Apr 3, 2025, 12:00 PM
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Just stock up and prepare, like our household has been doing for several months now.
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Re: I've long been in my "Let them eat cake" era.
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Apr 3, 2025, 11:57 AM
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I agree, bring the pain. Let’s get this right wing populism and anti-establishment retardity out of everyone’s system. I’ve got a 30 year retirement runway and I’m buying stonks every month rain or shine up or down, what I really want is rate cuts. Let’s get money cheaper, then I can buy land and assets off of people who can’t pay their bills anymore.
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TigerNet Icon [151784]
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Oculus Spirit [41715]
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but but but there are chicks with weiners playing against my dawter's
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Apr 3, 2025, 11:20 AM
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water polo team!!
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TigerNet Champion [120763]
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Go on
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Apr 3, 2025, 11:26 AM
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signed solos
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TigerNet Immortal [176220]
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I do not understand X.
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Apr 3, 2025, 11:21 AM
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I fully admit I didn't just derive this in my spare time....another friend mentioned it to me and I pulled up the source I linked and just tried the math and sure enough it worked.
When I mentioned it to a couple other friends, two of them both sent back that thread. How does a guy with 107k followers in the entire world have two of my friends and now you getting his tweets?
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TigerNet Icon [151784]
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I saw it on another site--I think it's been retweeted and posted a whole lot.
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Apr 3, 2025, 11:25 AM
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I have a twitter account so I can pull up texts that I get, but I don't follow anybody or post on that platform, and nobody follows me, probably for the aforementioned "I don't post nothin'".
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Oculus Spirit [40912]
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We all were friends with Parnell, right?
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Apr 3, 2025, 11:26 AM
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And kid was just a tot slinger from Georgia.
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Re: Hmmmm, interesting calculation formula for tariffs.
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Apr 3, 2025, 11:37 AM
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At least it's no longer anecdotal that the Trump administration doesn't understand trade deficits. It's been mathematically proven. How embarrassing for Bessent.
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Ultimate Tiger [38724]
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Re: Hmmmm, interesting calculation formula for tariffs.
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Apr 3, 2025, 11:38 AM
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These guys don’t know what they’re doing, but even worse is that they don’t even know why they’re doing it.
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But, to be fair
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Apr 3, 2025, 11:51 AM
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They also don't care that they don't know.
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Oculus Spirit [40912]
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MAGA has a very similar mechanism to it as Pol Pot.
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Apr 3, 2025, 12:07 PM
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Anybody who looks/sounds/or is believed to be smart is burned and eaten. Ignorance is the prized breeding trait.
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Tiger Titan [48478]
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That's the most troubling part
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Apr 3, 2025, 11:51 AM
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Trump is doing it out of spite and to show what a big bad man he is. And it seems like the people around him who know this is stupid are scrambling to keep up and make up excuses.
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Ultimate Tiger [38724]
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Re: That's the most troubling part
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Apr 3, 2025, 12:02 PM
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Sane-washing, and it’s getting harder and harder to pull off rationalizing the irrational.
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So lemme get this straight, the "tariffs" are actually the percentage of trade
Apr 3, 2025, 11:49 AM
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imbalances, per country?
This assumes the difference in the trade balance is only/100% "tariffs charged" OR OTHER BARRIERS?
Wait, this gets better. WOW. Read the "official explanation". They actually have a premise that says but for tariffs imposed by other countries and other barriers, trade with the US would naturally balance". I shichu knot, that's exactly what I read.
"To conceptualize reciprocal tariffs, the tariff rates that would drive bilateral trade deficits to zero were computed. While models of international trade generally assume that trade will balance itself over time, the United States has run persistent current account deficits for five decades, indicating that the core premise of most trade models is incorrect.
The failure of trade deficits to balance has many causes, with tariff and non-tariff economic fundamentals as major contributors. Regulatory barriers to American products, environmental reviews, differences in consumption tax rates, compliance hurdles and costs, currency manipulation and undervaluation all serve to deter American goods and keep trade balances distorted. As a result, U.S. consumer demand has been siphoned out of the U.S. economy into the global economy, leading to the closure of more than 90,000 American factories since 1997, and a decline in our manufacturing workforce of more than 6.6 million jobs, more than a third from its peak."
https://ustr.gov/issue-areas/reciprocal-tariff-calculations
Now, please allow me to shoot to #### the entire premise of the bull#### from the US governemnt website. NO COUNTRY has balanced trade. EVERY COUNTRY has a trade surplus, or a trade deficit. BELIZE is the closest country with "balanced" trade, at $25 million. The US is the most imbalanced because we have the consumption of 3.5 billion other countries populations. ffs this is the crap that angers me to no end.
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/ranking/trade-balance-deficit
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Ultimate Tiger [34834]
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You're correct and I don't even get the logic behind that calculation...
Apr 3, 2025, 11:58 AM
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and how it's labeled.
I keep wanting to believe there must be some kind of plan behind all of this, but I'm increasingly convinced there's not...at least not a reasonable one.
What I do know if our system of government isn't supposed to work like this. No one person in this country is supposed to have this much power over policy. The executive isn't supposed to have this kind of unilateral power over any issue, but especially trade. I can't see how it's going to happen yet, but Congress is going to have to step up and stop this and take back their power they granted to the executive.
If the market continues to tank / stay down and if prices start to rise more steeply, the pressure on GOP members of congress is going to be unavoidable. Maybe this is what it's going to take to crack Trump's lock on the elected party members.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [107944]
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China is now at 54%, maybe, who the #### knows.
Apr 3, 2025, 12:02 PM
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Remember, they had a 20% tariff in place before reciprocal tariffs of 34% happened yesterday. So now China is at 54%?
https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1907617549526630796
I bought a car last year, and a new computer last month. You can pretty much count out affording tech any time soon.
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Oculus Spirit [40912]
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I think there is somewhat of a chance that Trump loses patience with what he's
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Apr 3, 2025, 12:06 PM
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been told is the long game, gets tired of looking like an idiot, and starts backchannel dialogs with trading partners to come up with free trade deals that may turn out to be pretty decent -- or at least only marginally worse than what existed before (sort of like USMCA).
But this absolutely was never the plan, even though all of the people celebrating Liberation Day because they think what's going on now is the plan, will say the new plan was always the plan. As I said, they're mentally ill, stupid, and very unhappy people.
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Re: I think there is somewhat of a chance that Trump loses patience with what he's
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Apr 3, 2025, 12:13 PM
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Really, the most important part about all of this is the libs are being owned.
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Tiger Titan [48478]
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What is so mind-numbingly absurd in all of this...
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Apr 3, 2025, 2:11 PM
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Is that we're arguing against this with people who claim to be conservative Republicans and yet are cheering on massive tariffs.
They don't even know what they stand for anymore.
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This is a weird one.
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Apr 3, 2025, 2:20 PM
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I’m a conservative, fiscal and otherwise mostly, but if a genie told me I had three wishes, one of them might be to completely undo NAFTA.
So in some way, I should like this, because it seems like a really ham-handed way to do that. But I just don’t. This isn’t the way to do it, not even a little, and it’s going to be the magic bullet that reverses the Democrat party’s fortunes that just a couple months ago seemed to be DOA.
The Republican Party, no matter who is at the helm, can not ever get out of its own effing way, and I am so sick and tired of it.
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Re: This is a weird one.
Apr 3, 2025, 2:27 PM
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This isn’t the way to do it, not even a little, and it’s going to be the magic bullet that reverses the Democrat party’s fortunes that just a couple months ago seemed to be DOA.
This. Assuming Trump doesn't do something completely dictator-like and stop 2026 from happening (I know you think that's crazy but I still don't), the GOP will be wiped clean come 2026. Americans ALWAYS prioritize current economic status in elections, and no amount of crying about trannies or immigrants or wokeness will change that.
So if the GOP ISN'T worried, then that also leads me to believe they have something dirty in store for 2026. The Dems were a lifeless, spineless party. Trump (and ####### Elon through other measures) has given them new life.
IF you must put in tariffs, they need to gradual, calculated, and planned in advance with warning. Trump ran around shouting "Liberation Day!" because he thought he's the smartest man in the world, and now he's probably wrecked America for the next couple of years.
The Republican Party, no matter who is at the helm, can not ever get out of its own effing way, and I am so sick and tired of it.
Literally has control of everything and could get so much good stuff done and then Will Shipleyed it at the goalline.
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I think there's zero chance.
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Apr 3, 2025, 12:22 PM
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If I had to come up with a list of things a President could possibly do, and a way to do them, to destroy the US economy, Trump's hitting every bullet on the list. Create some BS fentanyl emergency to screw over Canada and Mexico. Then come up with a trade emergency, to screw over the rest of the world. And here we are. Screwed.
This all shouldn't even be possible, had Congress done their job. Again, Article V? Too late now I think.
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