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Dynasty Maker [3170]
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Dabo has us ranked 12th without a single portal transfer
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Nov 27, 2024, 12:37 PM
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I know a lot of y’all like to bash him for not using it and that may be fair but you have to admit that’s pretty impressive.
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Re: Dabo has us ranked 12th without a single portal transfer
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Nov 27, 2024, 12:40 PM
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This will be the last season of that...
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Varsity [102]
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Just think how much higher we could be ranked
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Nov 27, 2024, 12:42 PM
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...if we had some key transfers, especially in the OL, DL, secondary, and kick protection.
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Commissioner [1214]
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Re: Just think how much higher we could be ranked
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Nov 27, 2024, 1:26 PM
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There is no way to know what we would be ranked with any number of transfers at any position. Nor what effect receiving transfers would've had on the existing roster. We'd be as likely to be unranked.
Plenty of good arguments for using the portal but this ain't one of em.
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Ring of Honor [22555]
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Re: Just think how much higher we could be ranked
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Nov 27, 2024, 1:32 PM
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Maybe not, but I certainly don't think we would be worse off if we had more depth...
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Varsity [102]
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Commissioner [1214]
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Re: Yeah, because more depth and more talent...
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Nov 27, 2024, 2:57 PM
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The question is not whether more depth or talent is good, the question is would the TP have actually led to more depth and more talent. Or even if it did, if the team would be better?
What your post actually said: "Imagine how our team would have fared had we, 12 months ago, undertaken a number of actions of uncertain outcome leading to innumerable reactions of uncertain outcome?"
What you think you said: "Imagine if we were better?"
For the heaviest users, the TP has worked very well to improve some teams (Colorado/SC). It's been a mixed bag for others (Ole Miss/Louisville). And it's been a bust for others (FSU/NC State).
So it's hit or miss. You don't know. I don't know. And neither does anyone else.
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Varsity [102]
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I know for a fact that effective TP use would have led
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Nov 27, 2024, 3:45 PM
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To more depth. Basic math.
We lost 14 transfers in the office season.
That's in addition to normal attrition from graduation and early de-enrollment for the NFL.
We had to replace all of those guys with walk ons or true freshmen.
That clearly results in less talent and less depth.
You're arguing to never try to score because you might miss. That's a non competitive mindset.
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Game Changer [1942]
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Dont forget quite a few of those freshman would late fall back offers
Nov 27, 2024, 5:01 PM
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Where they didn’t have many at all power 5 offers
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Standout [248]
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Re: I know for a fact that effective TP use would have led
Nov 27, 2024, 5:59 PM
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As I said last week, we lost 11 to the portal (or 12 if you count Zanders which you shouldn't because he hadn't been on the team for 2 years), and that was tied with OkSt for 2nd lowest in the P4 behind Nebraska with 10. And you linked the on3 site saying "no, we lost 14", but the on3 site actually showed 1 less than I said, because it doesn't include Kissayi (who left in spring before his freshman year). So where on earth are you getting 14 from? It's either 10 or 11 (not counting Zanders)
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Commissioner [1214]
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Re: I know for a fact that effective TP use would have led
Nov 27, 2024, 6:24 PM
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No, I'm arguing that the result you postulated is unknowable.
You indicate we would be ranked higher than 12th had we used the portal.
I can as easily argue that we would be 6-5. Equally likely.
The portal is fine. I'm not against it. I think we should use it. But it's no silver bullet.
Losing players, in any capacity, is the never-ending problem in college football. Backfilling them is an unknown, whether it's from recruiting or the portal. Either way, until you have answers, you still have questions.
I can just imagine we win the NC by a point. And your post is:
"We'd have won by 3 TD if we used the portal!"
Tiresome non-sense.
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CU Medallion [19824]
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Over the past 3 recruiting classes our last high school takes have been
Nov 27, 2024, 7:01 PM
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a pretty impressive set of big time contributors. Thurmon on the OL, Williams and Boyd, Barnes. When anyone talks portal you have to include who to cut, or not have brought in out of HS to begin with. Roster sizes have limits. Folks here complain about being so young because of no portal action but our incoming class size has ranked around 40+, not near the numbers of those ahead up the pecking order. We get dudes that mostly stick around apparently.
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Orange Beast [6417]
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Re: Dabo has us ranked 12th without a single portal transfer
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Nov 27, 2024, 12:57 PM
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We used to be ranked in the top 5 perennially. He has not kept up with the recruiting times. We have less talent and less talented depth. Things have to change.
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Clemson Icon [24519]
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Re: Dabo has us ranked 12th without a single portal transfer
Nov 27, 2024, 3:16 PM
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So was Bama.
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Re: Dabo has us ranked 12th without a single portal transfer
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Nov 27, 2024, 1:27 PM
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and a lot of people coming back, hope we get to playoffs and do well, maybe will help recruiting
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Ring of Honor [22318]
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And where might we be if we had shored up our defense?***
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Nov 27, 2024, 1:29 PM
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Ring of Honor [23893]
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at what position? We looked poorly coached vs Louisville.
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Nov 27, 2024, 2:06 PM
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We were not outmatched with talent.
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Ring of Honor [22555]
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Re: at what position? We looked poorly coached vs Louisville.
Nov 27, 2024, 5:11 PM
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That Louisville game was a head scratcher on many fronts. We certainly did not come into that game ready to play, and with little to no energy. That was just one of those games where Louisville wanted it more and played like it.
I hope we did learn something about better managing and preparing after a bye week because that sure seemed to have played a part as well.
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Re: Dabo has us ranked 12th without a single portal transfer
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Nov 27, 2024, 1:30 PM
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Transfers don't always pan out to work, esp with a culture that Dabo has built. Right or wrong, it's hard to argue how he manages his roster. The only ding I have is I wish he wouldn't show favoritism to his sons and their Daniel HS friends...said it before, looks like the Kappa Alpha chapter at Clemson.
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It's not hard to argue that at all
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Nov 27, 2024, 3:46 PM
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This the constant argument here about it
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Legend [6999]
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Re: Dabo has us ranked 12th without a single portal transfer
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Nov 27, 2024, 1:32 PM
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In large part because he's been a great recruiter. This 2025 class however........
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Its not impressive when you consider that we were ranked 5th most talented
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Nov 27, 2024, 1:51 PM
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roster and play a relatively weak schedule.
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Commissioner [1214]
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Re: Its not impressive when you consider that we were ranked 5th most talented
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Nov 27, 2024, 2:20 PM
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Very good argument for us to NOT have used the transfer portal.
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Re: Its not impressive when you consider that we were ranked 5th most talented
Nov 27, 2024, 6:03 PM
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Ranked 12 with only one win against a team with a winning record and two loss against the other teams with winning records on our schedule so far…in some ways this is Dano’s greatest achievement our brand is so strong!
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Game Day Hero [4428]
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Re: Dabo has us ranked 12th without a single portal transfer
Nov 27, 2024, 6:46 PM
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It's not sustainable especially with most of our top recruits being picked off.
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Gridiron Giant [15398]
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Re: Dabo has us ranked 12th without a single portal transfer
Nov 27, 2024, 7:04 PM
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I think they are worried about the future.
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