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Some background info over last few weeks
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The last three or so weeks have been a whirlwind for everybody - the off week, followed by road losses at Miami and NC State, the Tyler call, the win over Notre Dame........whew.
I hope we can put Tyler to rest after today. He was not the reason Clemson won and his call wasn’t the impetus for Dabo to suddenly change things. Tyler just got in the way of a very angry Dabo. I stood in the hallway outside of the locker room in Miami and I can tell you there was a lot of yelling going on. Not the usual quiet after a loss. I couldn’t tell who was doing all the yelling but it sounded like it was coming from the coaches’ area.
The ride home from Raleigh was apparently also noteworthy, and I’ll leave it at that. And then the Sunday staff meeting, followed by a lengthy injury report, put everyone in the building even more on edge. And there were a lot of changes last week, and we heard that practices were rough and loud.
I’ve been told that Swinney told everyone – staff, players, coaches, everyone in the program – you have 25 days to prove to me why you should be here next season. And no one was safe from his wrath. Like I said, Tyler merely got in the way.
The challenge now, of course, is keeping that hunger and keeping that drive. Interviews the past few days were very telling – this isn’t a fractured team. This group is close-knit, and I believe that if there are any players that simply don’t belong, they won’t be here next season. Dabo tried to tell us a week ago in his press conference – it’s pruning time. And he didn’t mean the fans.
Just my view from the sort of inside.
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
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Nov 8, 2023, 12:42 PM
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Thanks for the info David!
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
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Glad to see Dabo light a little fire under some people's ### and hopefully they will stay hungry the rest of the season . If not, I do believe Dabo will do what needs to be done in regards to pruning
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
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Nov 8, 2023, 12:47 PM
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It would have been nice to maybe have heard some of this prior to the Tyler call, heck, Tyler probably wouldn’t have felt the need to even call if so. Thank you either way for sharing because whether true or exaggerated it does make me feel much better to know Dabo is cracking the whip on slack!
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Would that information have helped you...
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Nov 8, 2023, 12:51 PM
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to not overreact?
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Re: Would that information have helped you...
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That was sort of snarky, for a moderator..😬🙄
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Deputy...
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Moderator.
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Re: Deputy
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Assistant to the Deputy Moderator
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Re: Deputy
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Assistant to the Deputy Moderator
Assistant to the Deputy Moderator in-Training
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I am no longer in training.***
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Re: Deputy
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Jr Undersecretary to the Assistant to the deputy Moderator!
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Re: Would that information have helped you...
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I don’t believe I OVER-reacted I simply reacted. I may not be done reacting this year either. One win against a #15 team we should have beat does not equal program fixed, even if some of you insist it does.
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There is zero challenge. These guys didn't prove why they should stay
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they proved you can get lucky sometimes
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One data point is too small. It is well known that playing in Death Valley is a 1-2 score advantage.
The game was great. it was my favorite game in many years.
But the fight is not over. In the following weeks, it will show whether it was luck or not. Those that are starters in the end of the season, are the BYOG players and coaches that the phase 2 dynasty will be built upon.
Those that will survive are those that didn't need the threat of no playing time or no job to be motivated.
Message was edited by: NIKE® for those that didn't get the original meaning
DHood, rgby83, under11par, CitadelTiger, Tigerthing59, HitsLikeRendrickTaylor, and GSCtiger
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Dabo Swinney is not and has not let his foot off the gas
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point blank and period.
nobody has proven anything at this moment in time.
every coach and every starter is one loss from never coming back to the program.
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Re: the people TD-ing this post don't understand what I'm saying
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Nov 8, 2023, 1:41 PM
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Maybe because you are awful at communicating your point. It sounds like "Clemson got lucky to beat Notre Dame". That is TD-worthy.
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Thats the way I read it ... hence my TD !***
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Re: the people TD-ing this post don't understand what I'm saying
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Nov 8, 2023, 1:51 PM
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give me 9 games.
where the 1st 8 went 50/50 W/L
whats the next games outcome? Heads or Tails? "Luck"? or a new trend
we will find out in the coming weeks.
it could have been luck. it could have been the new era.
argument is stacked in my favor. and the TDs are the ones that didn't get that in the split second of reading the post
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Re: the people TD-ing this post don't understand what I'm saying
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Nov 8, 2023, 1:54 PM
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"Argument is stacked in my favor"
Lol. This isn't a coin flip competition. If you think that was luck, you are dumber than I thought.
And your inability to understand how dominant our defense has been is now no longer surprising.
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if that's your take away from this. and my TNEt history. then thats you
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Nov 8, 2023, 2:01 PM
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i'm not reporting this because I don't believe in TDs or reporting. but this is somewhat name calling.
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You literally just reported...
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Nov 8, 2023, 2:30 PM
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That you don't believe in reporting.
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lol yeah. TNET Inception***
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Re: Id say ND losing their only receiving threat right before our game
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And our 10 guys missing from the 2-deep was irrelevant?
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Program Changers***
Nov 8, 2023, 2:08 PM
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we watch football very differently. Notre Dame game is the first time i've seen
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Nov 8, 2023, 1:45 PM
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a dominating performance from our defense since pre-covid.
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Re: we watch football very differently. Notre Dame game is the first time i've seen
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What the hell does covid have to do with it???
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Um. CFP appearance hasn't happened since Covid year . so
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it's not causation but it is correlation.
defense in the CFP run looked very different than any game post Covid - except for this last weekends game
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Re: Um. CFP appearance hasn't happened since Covid year . s
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That’s simply untrue. Our total defense was 18th in 2020 and 24th in 2015. We were #2 in 2021 and gave UGA their toughest game of the year. Last year was a step back at 22nd but still better than 2015 and we were in the hunt for a CFP berth until the last game of the regular season. We’re 6th this season - so our defense has been within the range it was to make the playoffs and two of the last three years as good as our National Championships winning defenses.
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aint this something - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/oppone
Nov 8, 2023, 5:03 PM
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Season Rank Def Points Allowed Per Game
2023 33 21.8
2022 20 21.5
2021 2 15.8
2020 28 22
2019 2 13.5
2018 1 13.6
2017 3 14.4
2016 11 19.3
2015 28 22.5
2014 2 17.3
2013 36 24.5
Check out how 2014,2015,2016 did the same thing as 2020,2021,2022 but the opposite direction. And right in the middle is the CFP run of Clemson Football
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Re: aint this something - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/oppone
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Back out the points scored by the opposing defense, and the points scored immediately following a turnover. Our defense is only giving up 16 points a game. They've been outstanding.
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Re: aint this something - https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/oppone
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As others have pointed out your using scoring defense not total defense. For a variety of reasons I believe that total defense is a better measure. But, the last two years are still inside the boundary of teams that made the CFP and 2021
as good as any. This year isn’t over. And I think you know that this year is misleading.
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so if we're playing range game for a trophy
Nov 8, 2023, 5:04 PM
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Clemson has only won when the allow less than 20 ppg
When I use numbers, i don't care about indicators and fancy metrics. The only thing that matters are points.
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Re: and if we take the average allowed ppg from 2015-2019 and from 2020-2023
Nov 8, 2023, 5:21 PM
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So you knowingly want to punish the 2021-23 defense and their coordinator for the historically high number of points given up by our offense? Because it’s under 20 if you back them out. Even if you just back the last 3 years out to the average of the CFP seasons. So, do you want to actually have an honest discussion about the quality of the defense? Because it doesn’t seem like it.
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I believe in the freshmen. I believe that players make coaches look good.
Nov 8, 2023, 5:54 PM
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and i believe in the defense recruiting class of 2024.
Nate Wiggins is the only player i like on defense that is an upper classmen.
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i don't care what the stats are
Nov 8, 2023, 5:55 PM
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i've watched every ACC QB look like a heisman trophy candidate while playing Clemson
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Re: we watch football very differently. Notre Dame game is the first time i've seen
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Ok that’s fine. You’re entitled to your opinion. Let me ask you this…. How many defenses in CFB could overcome the complete dumpster fire that our offense has been this year and be a top 10 defense? I mean do you realize how freaking good the Clemson defense is?
Imagine our terrible offense combined with the Coot or TarHole defense? That is probably a winless team. Our offense has been devastatingly bad in almost every way imaginable.
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yes. the 2023 defense is very good
Nov 8, 2023, 5:58 PM
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they simply fly around
i saw this , recognized this, and talk about the moment I saw/realized this in the Duke game
but that doens't matter to me. these guys are half Sam Hartman's on Defense . it's NFL aged players so shouldnt that be the case
I only care about the freshmen and Nate Wiggins.
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I came out of retirement just to TU this post, LOFL
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and believe me, it'll cost me with the wife.
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NO, you don't understand what you said.
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Nov 8, 2023, 3:33 PM
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You dismissed any added desire and determination for everyone on our football team who put in a good hard week of preparation for the game, including Coaches, player, coaching staff including those who spent many hours in the film room gathering data.
You completely dismissed the crowd at the Valley playing its part.
I want you to know, and you can check if you know how, I give out few TD and have given only one tiger fan a TD in my ~15 years on Tnet. Imo, your post should be RDed and removed so as not to infect and disrupt our fellowship and brotherhood.
A coot couldn't have done a better job.
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I'm not a coot. I grew up in Clemson. like i was born and raised in Clemson
Nov 8, 2023, 5:26 PM
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maybe you need that close of a connection to the city and school to understand how you can be so critical of it... in fact you do. for most people, Clemson is all positive memory
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the reason i dismissed it . is because it does not matter
Nov 8, 2023, 5:28 PM
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in this profession and on this stage it is all just the expectation
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Yeah pruning the hedges is helpful. Always makes your deck look bigger.
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Nomsayin?
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Re: Yeah pruning the hedges is helpful. Always makes your deck look bigger.
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So that's what Great Grandpa meant when he said: "Always marry a woman with small hands." Now I get it, Pops!
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Dobo made it abundantly clear at the end of last season...
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that he is not opposed to making staff changes. On that basis, I think there are some coaches who should probably be a little nervous.
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Re: Dobo made it abundantly clear at the end of last season...
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I think a large number of coaches should be making plans.
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Re: Dobo made it abundantly clear at the end of last season...
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that he is not opposed to making staff changes. On that basis, I think there are some coaches who should probably be a little nervous.
Players too. I suspect borderline players will be encouraged to move along. That’s not happened in the past. If there’s others beyond Wiggins (who apparently knows he’s headed to the draft) that are low the accountability metric they may be surprised to not have their scholarship renewed.
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Re: Dobo made it abundantly clear at the end of last season...
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I think this is a bit of a misconception for the Tiger program. I believe Dabo said it specifically about Decarri Collins most recently, he didn't like where he was on the depth chart. If that isn't coach speak for encouraging somebody to move on, I don't know what is.
It probably went something like this:
Collins: Coach in need more opportunities and playing time.
Coach: You are 6th on the depth chart. The opportunities are there. Playing time is earned.
Collins: Aight, Ima head out.
Coach: Good luck. Need us to make any calls for you, let us know.
There's been a lot of guys that "work" their way out of Clemson. We've all seen the numbers on the outgoing transfers. That won't be any different at season's end.
While I don't think bringing in massive numbers in via the portal is the answer, some quality depth and potential impact players would help fill the void the exodus has left at WR and OL.
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^^^^THIS^^^^
Nov 8, 2023, 2:43 PM
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While I don't think bringing in massive numbers in via the portal is the answer, some quality depth and potential impact players would help fill the void the exodus has left at WR and OL.
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Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the Tyler
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Probably best to have a windshield mentality
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
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How we come out against GT may say a lot about where this team is mentally, emotionally, and physically. If we continue on with good play following a solid effort against ND, I will feel a lot better about us turning the corner and finishing strong the rest of the way.
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
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Agreed. Need to see the same team play and even better
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With that being said, what staff changes do you think we will
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see happen when the season is over?
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It's looking like DHood will have a busy offseason
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perhaps we should get DavidHood® an early Christmas present so he will be ready!
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Oculus Spirit [80444]
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Lol, +1***
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110%er [5383]
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Good to hear that coaches arent immune
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Nov 8, 2023, 1:13 PM
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To the wrath of CDS…many fans believe the perceived blind bias towards the staff is the root of the recent decline in the program. Players will respond to the knowledge and expectations of their coaches and I believe a turnaround will happen when the staff has an influx of external, experienced guys.
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Re: Good to hear that coaches arent immune
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Nov 8, 2023, 1:30 PM
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Yep. That and players that can actually run Coach Riley’s offense. We don’t have that. Or he actually stinks as a coach and has fooled everyone. And we know that’s not true.
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All-In [40586]
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Thanks for the info David!***
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Nov 8, 2023, 1:17 PM
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
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Nov 8, 2023, 1:17 PM
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Thank you for this David!!!! I have no idea why fans assume Dabo is just a ok with what’s been going on when he’s as competitive as it gets. He will get it right no way he’s going to let what he built just crumble.
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
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Nov 8, 2023, 1:19 PM
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Interesting stuff. Sounds like dabo will be portaling.
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Legend [19586]
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Dang, I never took Dabo for a 1.5%er***
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Nov 8, 2023, 1:21 PM
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Lot o points [155973]
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David. Obed from Nashville here. Long time listener
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Nov 8, 2023, 1:28 PM
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First time caller.
Is it true that before the ND game, Dabo punched a hole in the whiteboard and yelled “Gator don’t play no bullcrap” before asking if any of the players were man enough to take a free swing at him?
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Oops..
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Nov 8, 2023, 1:49 PM
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Looks like we lost the call. Next caller…
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Re: Oops..
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Nov 8, 2023, 2:41 PM
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🤣🤣
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Lot o points [155973]
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Media bias***
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Yeah, I think everyone got that.***
Nov 10, 2023, 9:06 AM
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Oculus Spirit [93681]
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The "pruning" statement last week was what was needed
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Nov 8, 2023, 1:32 PM
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to be said and get any complacency out of the program. Be driven, be hungry, strive for something better is always how a successful company or team is operated.
CDS needed to say it and he did not just say it, he let it be known it would be time for some to go a different way.
This offseason will be very very interesting around the football program. The remainder of this season will be graded very harshly by the head coach
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Re: The "pruning" statement last week was what was needed
Nov 8, 2023, 1:39 PM
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Great info. Thanks for the update. Think Dabo has had enough of the sometimes football people instead of the 100% people. There will be a lot of new faces on the coaching staff and players alike.
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Re: The "pruning" statement last week was what was needed
Nov 8, 2023, 3:04 PM
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This gives me hope. I truly hope Dabo has turned the corner. So his "pruning" comment was apparently Dabo's way of telling us that some of these unemployable-anywhere-but-Clemson coaching staff and marginal contributors to start earning their keep or they are on their way out. LOVE IT! And to be clear, NO ONE has been "pruned" yet but I certainly hope there will be some come the end of the season.
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
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Nov 8, 2023, 1:40 PM
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Thanks David. Reporting like this is why I still pay for the ®
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Sounds like Dabo is close to pulling Gunns scholly***
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Nov 8, 2023, 1:41 PM
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Technically he can't pull anyone's scholarship for performance-related reasons
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Nov 8, 2023, 2:04 PM
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except for former walk-ons, but he can certainly encourage them to leave.
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Legend [17635]
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Unsurprising and nice to hear
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Nov 8, 2023, 1:53 PM
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The buck stops with Dabo. I’ve never understood the post-game dancing in close wins vs. poor to average teams. It results in a celebration and acceptance of poor efforts.
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Lot o points [155973]
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Its broader than that.
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Nov 8, 2023, 2:31 PM
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I don’t understand dancing. Anywhere. Ever.
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Alright Footloose
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Nov 8, 2023, 2:33 PM
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everyone knows there is no dancing in this town
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
Nov 8, 2023, 2:06 PM
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Always insightful. Many thanks! This is the content that distinguishes your team. Appreciate it!
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
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Nov 8, 2023, 2:20 PM
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Yep! Dabo has lost his fire...
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
Nov 8, 2023, 2:45 PM
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David, I hope they wake up and realize every game is key….
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
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You're a d@mn clown.....***
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
Nov 8, 2023, 3:04 PM
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Does that pruning include coaches ?
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Wow.... thanks david..
Nov 8, 2023, 3:13 PM
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🥶🥶🥶😬😬😬😬
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That makes me feel better! Thanks for the info.***
Nov 8, 2023, 3:24 PM
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
Nov 8, 2023, 3:36 PM
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Very interesting. Thanks for sharing this David.
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
Nov 8, 2023, 6:50 PM
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Could you repeat the part again about Tyler not being the reason we won? A lot of people on here need to hear again. And again.
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Definitely
Nov 10, 2023, 9:21 AM
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A lot of people on here need to hear that he and others like him aren’t the reason we lose either.
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
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Nov 8, 2023, 7:01 PM
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That helps.
Go Tigers!!! Beat GT!!!
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
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Nov 8, 2023, 7:17 PM
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That's what I want to hear. Had Dabo not given the "2 plays away" excuse, he would not have caught so much heat.
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Re: There is no question
Nov 9, 2023, 8:56 AM
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About it. You are either part of the problems or part of the successes. Which group does everyone want to be a part of? Good for Dabo when the dust settles everyone will be evaluated.
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Re: Ride Home
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Nov 9, 2023, 9:11 AM
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Well now i want to know what happened on the bus ride home from Raleigh.....
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
Nov 9, 2023, 10:18 PM
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Shows who is in charge of the Program. Of course, most of us know who is in charge of the Program. Go Tigers.
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
Nov 9, 2023, 10:19 PM
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Shows who is in charge of the Program. Of course, most of us know who is in charge of the Program. Go Tigers.
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Re: Some background info over last few weeks
Nov 10, 2023, 9:42 AM
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The butt chewing was well deserved. This is been a very soft team up to this point and I’ve seen no motivation whatsoever. I hate that Dabo hast to use fear as a motivator, but he hast to do something.
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