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Rock Defender [54]
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WELCOME to TNET. Where everybody suddenly LOVES
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Dec 5, 2023, 4:01 PM
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FSU?
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Re: WELCOME to TNET. Where everybody suddenly LOVES
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Dec 5, 2023, 4:05 PM
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Far from it. Wait until we’re twelfth going in with Bama or UGA right behind us. They’ll screw us to get one of them in the playoffs.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Especially if it involves 16 pts and 226 yards
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Dec 5, 2023, 6:43 PM
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of offense in the nationally-televised conf. championship game. Then it gets really easy to do that.
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So boil away everything else and only look at offensive stats?***
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Dec 6, 2023, 12:53 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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I said "Especially" ...
Dec 6, 2023, 2:31 PM
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clearly, other factors came into play when evaluating FSU v. Texas and Bama.
They were (using FPI):
SoS (advantage Texas)
HtH (advantage Texas. Big time.)
Results v. T25 (advantage Bama)
Resuts v. common opponents (advantage Texas)
Conference titles (it's a wash)(but it certainly ***DESTROYED*** UGA)
I don't see FSU with a lot of advantages in there. Do you?
Which is why I say it *especially* didn't help that FSU performed so poorly against Loovull. Hard to make a case they belonged in the top 4 with a backup QB when they barely beat 16 with one. And don't say QB2 and QB3 are a discernibly different pair. They aren't.
And don't say defense wins championships.
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All-In [44054]
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Its called empathy.
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Dec 5, 2023, 4:06 PM
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How would you feel if we were 13-0 and ACC champs, and left out of the playoffs?
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Orange Blooded [4596]
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Re: Its called empathy.
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Dec 5, 2023, 4:29 PM
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Holy cow! I agree with JK!
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Re: Its called empathy.
Dec 6, 2023, 8:35 AM
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I know!!! Surprised me too.
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Re: Its called empathy.
Dec 6, 2023, 9:46 AM
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Ditto. I definitely give a TU every time that happens to help balance the other times.
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Re: Its called empathy.
Dec 6, 2023, 9:56 AM
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Did he!! freeze over and no one told us or did pigs finally learn to fly?
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Re: Its called empathy.
Dec 6, 2023, 2:42 PM
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Don't know about he!! freezing cause I haven't visited the place. (I have been to Columbia........that should count). I can honestly say I have seen pigs fly. Great biggun flew at the last 2 Aussie Floyd Concerts I attended and I swear I was sober as a judge.
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All-In [40100]
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Probably worse but similar to being out of the NCAAT
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Dec 5, 2023, 4:35 PM
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Last year. And FSU will prove the committee right on the very next game they play just like we did.
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I think it is empathy and...
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Dec 5, 2023, 6:31 PM
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... the realization that "It could happen to us."
If "the committee" can leave out a 13-0 ACC champ, then they could leave us out. With "us" being any ACC team.
And, even next year, assume the ACC champ gets in. Well, when it comes down to
ACC champ - in
ACC A - 11-1
ACC B - 10-2
ACC C - 10-2
SEC Champ - in
SEC A - 10-2 in
SEC B - 9-3 in
SEC C - 9-3 in
SEC D - 8-4 in
Five SEC teams, 1 ACC team.
For all those saying with a 12 team playoff it will be easier to get in if you're in the ACC than the SEC, I suggest you think again. What is easier, winning the ACC championship or finishing 5th in the SEC?
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Re: I think it is empathy and...
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Dec 6, 2023, 8:31 AM
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This.
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Re: I think it is empathy and...
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Dec 6, 2023, 8:34 AM
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I think it’s more that you seem like a #### good guy, and have lessened everyone’s disdain for fsu on Tnet.
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Re: I think it is empathy and...
Dec 6, 2023, 8:38 AM
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Some truth to that. I still can't stand FSU for many reasons though.
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Re: I think it is empathy and...
Dec 6, 2023, 10:04 AM
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Plus four B1G teams definitely not going to leave much room for mome than one ACC team.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Of course it can happen to anyone.
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Dec 6, 2023, 10:23 AM
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You talk to us as if we've just passed through the birth canal. Like no one's come within reach of a great accomplishment only to see it derailed by circumstance.
FSU's got a broken leg. You don't ask a gal with a broken leg to the big dance.
Tell you what, though -- let's see FSU go wreck shop on whatever version of UGA shows up. If y'all can pull that one off, I bet you'll have a lot better position than that which you're occupying now.
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Starter [364]
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Excluding college football, which is broken,
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Dec 6, 2023, 12:40 PM
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What other sport speculates about how an injury affects a team and then uses it to determine a playoff bid?
That’s the underlying issue. Eye tests are BS and they are supposed to be irrelevant in a playoff system.
What makes March Madness so fun? Underdogs advancing.
You can’t exclude someone the right to advance because they lost a player.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I wouldnt know. We lost a game and still
Dec 5, 2023, 7:00 PM
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got in.
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Re: I wouldnt know. We lost a game and still
Dec 6, 2023, 12:34 PM
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Exactly!! You guys got in after losing to Cuse and Pitt. You didn't lose to a top team in those years. You lost to mediocre to average teams and got in. This has nothing to do with the ACC.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Actually, I do know.
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Dec 5, 2023, 7:31 PM
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If we'd gone out in our game and hung 30+ and 500 yards of O to their 6 points and 200 I'd be irritated.
But if we'd gone out and pulled up lame with 16/220, Id think "Welp. We had a shot to make a case we could hang without our best offensive player. And we didnt."
One thing I wouldnt expect is for my rivals to form a dern support group on my behalf.
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Re: Actually, I do know.
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Dec 5, 2023, 8:16 PM
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Imagine being left out due to how your offense looked in 1 game out of 13 even though you still won that game by double digits and went 13-0. Then imagine the team that got in over you not only having a loss, but just a week earlier needing a Hail Mary to beat a team that lost by 21 points to New Mexico State the week before that.
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Re: Actually, I do know.
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Dec 6, 2023, 8:41 AM
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Don't forget... Alabama also needed a muffed punt by Auburn at the end of the game to pull it out.
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Re: Actually, I do know.
Dec 6, 2023, 9:56 AM
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But they finished with a win against the number 1 team on a neutral field and FSU scored 16 points against a sorry team that was not named Georgia.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Easy. Eaaasy. Common sense hurts their eyes.
Dec 6, 2023, 10:08 AM
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So looking bad is okay?
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Dec 6, 2023, 12:44 PM
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Georgia was a heavy favorite to beat Alabama. Everyone’s “eye test” favored UGa.
So why did they play the game? Ask Alabama fans.
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Re: Actually, I do know.
Dec 6, 2023, 12:41 PM
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Alabama also beat #1, #11, #13, and #21. 3 of those were at least 2 TD wins. Nice cherry pick tho.
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Cherry pick?
Dec 6, 2023, 12:46 PM
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It’s called “body of work”.
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Re: Cherry pick?
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Dec 6, 2023, 12:57 PM
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Since you mentioned body of work, almost EVERY metric they consider has Bama ahead of FSU, even with Travis. The only difference is Bama lost to #3, and FSU didn't even play anyone ranked that high. The bottom line is the FSU team that played UF and LOU was not the same one that played the other 11 games.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Doesn't fit the narrative.
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Dec 6, 2023, 12:47 PM
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Will be thrown on the pile and burned with all the others.
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Re: Actually, I do know.
Dec 6, 2023, 9:52 AM
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Middle paragraph: I doubt it. I think we as a fan base would be irate. Justifiably so.
Bottom paragraph: we haven’t. We’re bothered by what happened, not who it happened to. Norvell seems crooked and it is FSU. Bret might be one of the few redeeming things about that school.
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We aren't, we didn't, if we go 13-0 we won't.
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Dec 6, 2023, 8:48 AM
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I think the POC got it right. If Bama wins out you guys who though they should have been excluded will look like fools.
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Do we want to list out all the ifs?***
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Dec 6, 2023, 12:49 PM
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Re: Its called empathy.
Dec 6, 2023, 9:54 AM
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I get empathy, it’s the stupidity I can’t get over.
I figure most Clemson fans could see the “why” this happened and it wasn’t because FSU was playing good ball.
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You seem confused.***
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Dec 5, 2023, 4:07 PM
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Re: WELCOME to TNET. Where everybody suddenly LOVES
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Dec 5, 2023, 7:07 PM
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If you agree with the committee because you hate FSU and didn’t want them to get in, you’re an unprincipled clown that will end up being burnt by the unjust system you cheered for.
You sound like all the toothless Bama hicks that can only respond to the decision with Roll Tide and haters gonna hate.
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Re: WELCOME to TNET. Where everybody suddenly LOVES
Dec 5, 2023, 8:08 PM
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You must not be a Clemson grad, because you have comprehension issues. I was rejecting all those that are saying "don't feel sorry for FSU, they deserve it". I mean really dude, you need to go back to English lit class.
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Re: WELCOME to TNET. Where everybody suddenly LOVES
Dec 5, 2023, 11:19 PM
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Sorry misunderstood. It’s almost 45 yrs since lit. Probably costs more per credit hour than per semester now.
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Not a matter of loving FSU. Rights right and wrongs wrong
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Re: WELCOME to TNET. Where everybody suddenly LOVES
Dec 5, 2023, 7:09 PM
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Could careless about FSU but do care about the precedent that was set
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So you do care?
Dec 6, 2023, 12:52 PM
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If you can care less, that means you do care.
Just a simple PSA
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Re: WELCOME to TNET. Where everybody suddenly LOVES
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You’re missing the big picture. The college football playoff committee just relegate at the ACC to second class citizenship. That was a dagger to all of our hearts. We will lose recruits because of it we will see players leave the ACC for other conferences because of it. We don’t give a crap about FSU. It’s the slap in the face to the entire ACC.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Sure.
Dec 5, 2023, 11:10 PM
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Orange Blooded [2351]
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Could there be a worse take than this?
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Dec 5, 2023, 11:16 PM
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FSU is an unbeaten ACC champion being passed over by two 1-loss champions of other conferences. And it sets a precedent, never happened before. And Clemson is in the ACC. I shouldn’t have to add any more pieces of the puzzle here, I hope.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Sure I get it.
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Dec 5, 2023, 11:31 PM
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And with respect it's not a particularly compelling cause for alarm. The CFP is not out to get the ACC or Clemson. For crying out loud.
If any one of the other four had lost their QB1 and then laid a massive offensive egg in their championship game on the way to a breathtakingly underwhelming 16-6 win, they'd be NY6 bowl bound, too.
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Re: Sure I get it.
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does not matter if they were "out to get" or not, the impact is significant and leans heavily against the ACC and Clemson... the brand took a hit... ACC is in a weaker position to negotiate anything and Clemson is in a weaker position for being in the ACC...
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Rock Defender [54]
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Doesn't the 12-team format offer some hope?
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Dec 6, 2023, 2:14 PM
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Isn't there a good chance at least one or two ACC teams can play their way into the top 12 next season?
The brand didn't take a hit, either. I do branding for a living.
The ACC's brand has never and will never be on par with the SEC in the football space. Just not gonna happen. It's why behemoth programs like Texas, OU and aTm are willing to ditch the BXII and clap hands with the folks over in Birmingham.
Because they all understand that if a brand is just a promise built on a set of beliefs (not original to me), the SEC means football.
Clemson is a football school in a basketball league. The sooner they can work a way out of it, the better, assuming they want their football cash cow to remain healthy and viable.
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Re: WELCOME to TNET. Where everybody suddenly LOVES
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Dec 6, 2023, 12:32 PM
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No, bad take... nobody loves 'Bama and nobody loves the CFP playoff committee's decision to put the SEC in the playoffs over an undefeated ACC conference champion team...
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Re: WELCOME to TNET. Where everybody suddenly LOVES
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Has nothing to do with loving FSU. I'm looking at it from my perspective as a Clemson fan how I would feel. If we got left out in this scenario I guarantee all of you saying get over it would be screaming bloody murder. I can't stand FSU as our rival but they did what they had to do to make the playoffs. It was then just dismissed by the committee to save face for the SEC.
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Aint that the truth!
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Dec 6, 2023, 12:56 PM
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If this happened to Clemson the “beauty contest” dudes would be singing a completely different tune.
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