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Backstreets deli
Mar 18, 2014, 9:55 AM
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I have only been there a few times and it was ok but I will never go there again! After reading the sign that was posted on their door I hope that yall wont either. I fought in the military to protect peoples rights and it is his right to post his business as he sees fit but to disrespect someone like that that is demonstrating their constitutional right is way beyond just posting NO Concealed Carry.
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It appears that he's ok with the loss of business. And
Mar 18, 2014, 9:58 AM
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while I fully support the 2nd amendment....I also support the first
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that's what gets me these days, people are so intolerant of
Mar 18, 2014, 11:47 AM
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other peoples views and beliefs if they don't agree with them. BUT, they want us to be tolerant of theirs.....whats up with that. Good luck backstreets, you will get NONE of my business! (and thanks for the insult just for good measure) a good sign of intellegence.
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It is becoming a lost art
Mar 18, 2014, 11:54 AM
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To disagree agreeably.
We are quickly becoming so polarized on issues that it is hard to find two folks who disagree but are able to carry on a rational discussion/debate.
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You believe all individuals who conceal carry are Dbags?***
Mar 18, 2014, 1:00 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: You believe all individuals who conceal carry are Dbags?***
Mar 18, 2014, 4:50 PM
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I think that part was unnecessary but agree with the rest of it...I'm not a fan of people carrying concealed weapons.
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Top TigerNet [29783]
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And that's fine
Mar 18, 2014, 5:45 PM
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I'm not trying to convince you otherwise.
This entire thread was about the reaction to his choice to insult individuals who do believe in the right to carry concealed weapons.
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: And that's fine
Mar 18, 2014, 6:29 PM
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Yea it's really just trying to provoke people. I don't like that one bit.
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Just the ones who try to go to BackStreets with a gun.
Mar 18, 2014, 6:14 PM
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That's the way I read the sign.
If you were standing in front of his door reading that sign before you entered his place and you felt the need to carry a gun, then you were who he was talking to.
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Rooter [227]
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Re: Just the ones who try to go to BackStreets with a gun.
Mar 18, 2014, 6:41 PM
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Really! That's how you read that? I hope you didn't go to Clemson! Your reading that as just a slight to those who want to enter BS? Wow! I am 100% Positive he is referring to all Gun rights/CWP holders. He is a ###### himself.
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Ring of Honor [23707]
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You're trying too hard to be offended and your reading
Mar 19, 2014, 7:46 AM
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comprehension is poor. And, I graduated from Clemson in 1982. You?
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Rival Killer [2701]
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I loled
Mar 19, 2014, 8:47 AM
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Rival Killer [2802]
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to be serious for just a moment, my guess would be that the
Mar 18, 2014, 10:09 PM
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owner recently had a really bad experience with someone who was on his premises with a concealed handgun, and addressed that pretty specifically to that guy (or gal). My guess would be that the number of small-duck owning handgun owners is fairly small.
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What does this even have to do with the 1st Amendment?
Mar 18, 2014, 11:58 AM
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Is anybody even discussing having the local government force him to take the sign down? I can see where somebody might argue that him putting a sign that says "#########" in the window would be a public obscenity, but nobody's trying to abridge his political speech.
People need to stop trying to use the First Amendment as if it were an anesthetic for all kinds of reactions to whatever is freely said.
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Most people have no idea
Mar 18, 2014, 12:13 PM
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of what the First Amendment even means. They just toss it around because they heard someone else say it. The First Amendment basically guarantees that the government can't tell you what or what not to say. You can say whatever you want as long as long as you are willing to face the repercussions. Also, since we now know he is not packing, we could wait outside and rob him blind without fear of getting shot. Just sayin'...
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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announcing that we are unarmed...come on in
Mar 18, 2014, 12:58 PM
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Paw Warrior [4799]
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It never actually said the owner didn't carry
Mar 19, 2014, 7:34 AM
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He probably isn't, but it didn't say that. Hmm. 
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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I didn't see ANY patrons in the place......must be a LOT of
Mar 19, 2014, 2:52 PM
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gun owners in Clemson.....
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Paw Warrior [4799]
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Or maybe they interviewed him before he opened***
Mar 20, 2014, 7:28 AM
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CU Guru [1279]
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where does it disrespect the military.
Mar 18, 2014, 10:15 AM
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If you look for a reason to be offended I predict you will get offended.
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Heisman Winner [84708]
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Uh, he called everyone who conceal carries a loser and a
Mar 18, 2014, 10:16 AM
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douchebag...
How is that looking for a reason to be offended?
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Clemson Icon [27400]
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whats that have to do with the military ?***
Mar 19, 2014, 12:26 PM
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Re: whats that have to do with the military ?***
Mar 19, 2014, 1:18 PM
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TIP i has nothing to do with the military who ever made the comment above didn't read the post or look at it what ever way he wanted. In no way was the original post saying anything other than the fact that i served in the military to support the constitution and the protect the rights of people to have their own opinion but i have mine on the subject.
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Where did he say it it did disrespect the military?
Mar 18, 2014, 10:30 AM
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Don't get me wrong he has the right to post whatever he wants on his door (oddly though, in choosing the sign he did he may well NOT have legally forbid concealed carry on his premises), but he did call concealed carry folks D-bags. He went for the insult and got it.
That's his right, but when you start swinging with insults don't act shocked when you offend.
And for the record I am not offended, but I am laughing at the idiotic generalization and poor business decision here.
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I agree
Mar 18, 2014, 11:55 AM
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I knew Backstreets as a bar, not as a deli, as a replublican and believer in the US Constitution the last thing I'd want to do is sit around and drink where there could be guns present.
As for the military, I applaud this poster for his service but I'm not seeing the correlation between the sign and a ding on our servicemen.
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You already do
Mar 18, 2014, 12:01 PM
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Guns *could* be present in just about any bar you enter (assuming you didn't walk through a metal detector).
I wholeheartedly agree with the right of ANY business owner to decide of weapons should be allowed on their premises. But this is not the proper civil way for that notice to be made.
As for the military comment, I believe it was primarily from the "I fought for this right (both the right to carry and the right for businesses to prohibit it), don't insult individuals over either right". But I may be interpreting that incorrectly.
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Re: You already do
Mar 18, 2014, 1:34 PM
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Thanks for clarifying that military comment for me i was away doing work an that was the exact interpretation or at least what is was trying to pass along.
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Does he realize criminals
Mar 18, 2014, 10:23 AM
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don't care if he posts a sign or not? In fact if I wanted to rob a place and was casing joints out, I would love seeing that sign posted
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Pretty stupid move on his part...
Mar 18, 2014, 10:33 AM
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It's one thing to have a sign that says "No Concealed Weapons"...but it's a whole different thing to insult and disrespect anyone who believes in the right to carry or even own a gun.
He's going to get a lot of hate for a long time for this, if his business even survives. There are a lot of similar restaurants in the area that will gladly take his customers.
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Many times it's not what you say but how you say it....
Mar 18, 2014, 10:56 AM
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In this particular case I think I would have toned-it-down a notch or two by making the sign significantly less contentious.
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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true indeed! Let me give it a try.....this guy is an idiot!!***
Mar 18, 2014, 11:52 AM
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Time for a drive by.....***
Mar 18, 2014, 10:40 AM
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Re: Time for a drive by.....***
Mar 18, 2014, 11:03 AM
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Q. What goes "clip, clop, clip, clop, clip, clop, clip, clop, BANG, BANG, clip, clop, clip, clop, clip, clop, clip, clop"?
A. An Amish drive-by shooting.
(Oops - probably offended someone)
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Don't worry,
Mar 18, 2014, 11:59 AM
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the Amish don't have computers to read this and get offended anyways
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Orange Immortal [66558]
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My computer is so slow, it has a hamster on a spinning
Mar 18, 2014, 12:53 PM
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wheel keeping it running. You think the Amish have the same arrangement?
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Is the Esso Club going to allow guns on game days?***
Mar 18, 2014, 10:49 AM
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and if so, would you go?***
Mar 18, 2014, 11:05 AM
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Re: and if so, would you go?***
Mar 18, 2014, 10:11 PM
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guns are skeery
more than likely to catch far more things at a bar than a bullet
but bar carry in general is stupid and unnecessary
50% revenue from food works well for Georgia...no stupid binding signs either from private establishments
live across the river now but spend more money in Georgia because the gun laws are better...who wants to make a lonely walk to the car time and time again
still can't figure out how you have to blow a 1.0 to be a "drunk driver" but can't have a single drink while toting
...he had a bear with his burger...OMG...he dangerous! hide the children.
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Re: Is the Esso Club going to allow guns on game days?***
Mar 18, 2014, 1:38 PM
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hell yes i would go! Dont be terrified of a gun just because if its presence. If a CWP holder is not drinking and is following all applicable laws then there is no reason not to go. In fact i would be more apt to go if i knew there was a potential for someone to be carrying. I my self would not carry there on game days because i would be drinking a few beers and that is not allowed.
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How ridiculous.***
Mar 18, 2014, 10:51 AM
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Orange Immortal [67583]
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Just like citizens have the right to carry a gun.....
Mar 18, 2014, 10:59 AM
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the Owner of this establishment has the right to refuse entry to persons who chooses to carry a gun. That said, the sign certainly could have been phrased in a much less contentious manner.
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All-In [26968]
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I got no problem with him allowing who he wants...
Mar 18, 2014, 11:01 AM
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But what a ridiculous and immature way to express it!
I would feel the exact same if it said "CONCEALED WEAPONS ALLOWED AND ENCOURAGED. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU'RE A LOSER *******"
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Orange Immortal [67583]
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The owner may need some work on his people skills
Mar 18, 2014, 11:03 AM
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I have heard numerous people say the owners/managers go out of their way to be complete a$$hats.
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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if you ever met them.....you would not have gone there to
Mar 18, 2014, 11:53 AM
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begin with....
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Top TigerNet [29783]
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That is the point
Mar 18, 2014, 11:24 AM
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I have CCWP, and carry often. I have NO problem with businesses who choose, for whatever reason, to prohibit carrying on their premises. For the most part I comply and still utilize their business, and in other cases I choose not to enter their establishment. Usually I make this decision based on my needs as a customer.
The real issue here is the choice to throw insults. Once you get to that point as a business person, which s well within your rights, you are CHOOSING to alienate folks and have made the choice for them by intending offense.
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Orange Immortal [67583]
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The person is obviously going out of their way to be....
Mar 18, 2014, 11:31 AM
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as antagonistic and petulant as possible.
He may want to seriously consider rethinking his business plan.
It doesn't cost anything to simply be nice.
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Re: That is the point
Mar 18, 2014, 10:14 PM
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where Georgia law kicks SC's rear
...than and the fact that you are not required by police to tell them you have a CWP and a firearm when you get pulled over
noneya!
where's the safety when you risk some officer taking my secured, loaded weapon out of it's holster and fumbling around with it for his amusement "safety"
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I think guns in bars is pretty ridiculous***
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Seems pretty reasonable...
Mar 18, 2014, 10:52 AM
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I'm sure some ######### flashed a gun in there and he doesn't want it to happen again. Is there a reason you'd need one?
And I'm not sure I see the disrespect.
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txtiger95, you're a loser and a ########.***
Mar 18, 2014, 10:53 AM
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FTFY: txtiger95, you're a loser and a ########, no offense.***
Mar 18, 2014, 11:00 AM
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Absolutely none taken which is my point....
Mar 18, 2014, 11:13 AM
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He's got a right to say what he wants and you have the right to not patronize his bar.
This conversation is like the Seinfeld episode where Tim Whatley converts to Judaism so he can tell Jewish jokes. And Jerry's offended as a comedian, not a Jew.
Get over it!
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Orange Blooded [4787]
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it's a deli, not a bar. i don't think i would want concealed
Mar 18, 2014, 11:19 AM
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weapons at a bar, and i support both the bars and the cwp.
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It's a bar that has "& Deli" on the end of it's name.***
Mar 18, 2014, 12:20 PM
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Orange Blooded [4787]
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you know the place? i don't, i am just going by the name.***
Mar 18, 2014, 6:49 PM
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That he has the right doesn't preclude offense
Mar 18, 2014, 11:22 AM
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He's actually trying to offend and insult people. The fact that he has the right to doesn't magically make offense and insult disappear.
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Who is arguing otherwise?
Mar 18, 2014, 11:26 AM
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"He's got a right to say what he wants and you have the right to not patronize his bar."
The right to say it, however, does not make it non-insulting.
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I'm no advocate of guns, and the establishment
Mar 18, 2014, 11:29 AM
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has the right to ban concealed weapons... But I do find his language to be rude and juvenile, especially for a business.
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Which would make sense...
Mar 18, 2014, 11:33 AM
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if he wasn't explicitly insulting people.
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Ring of Honor [23707]
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Which is why the phrase "politically correct"
Mar 18, 2014, 11:38 AM
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That's not what "politically correct" means
Mar 18, 2014, 11:41 AM
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Saying something in a politically incorrect way might be insensitive and might be perceived as insulting by somebody, but it's not explicitly insulting. Calling somebody a d-bag and a loser has nothing to do with being politically incorrect.
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Well, you have the right to disrespect somebody...
Mar 18, 2014, 11:35 AM
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so it obviously can't be disrespectful.
Lulz. No.
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Where is said deli? Clemson?***
Mar 18, 2014, 10:59 AM
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All-In [28802]
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This is apparently Backstreets bar in Clemson
Mar 18, 2014, 11:44 AM
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LOL at them calling themselves a "deli." Still a fun place to go, though.
It's kind of sad that their yelp rating is being ruined by a bunch of people who've never been there and will never go because of a stupid sign the manager/ owner put up.
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Re: This is apparently Backstreets bar in Clemson
Mar 18, 2014, 10:15 PM
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they earned it...
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Legend [16629]
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Maybe he's talking about one specific person with this.
Mar 18, 2014, 10:59 AM
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In other words maybe he had an incident with one person that had a gun in his deli. Perhaps the first part of the sign is for everyone and the "########" part is for one person. Or maybe I spent too much time thinking about this. 
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CU Medallion [18415]
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Pretty sure that's what he was thinking - a message to a
Mar 18, 2014, 8:18 PM
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single patron that he had an incident with that he unfortunately didn't handle well here.
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CU Medallion [20426]
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Posting a sign at your store that references the word
Mar 18, 2014, 11:02 AM
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"douochebag" would keep a lot of people I know out.
They don't come across as very professional or much of a business-person.
But hey, if they want to be exclusionary, that is just fine by me.
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Probably qualifies for some sort of disorderly conduct***
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How many ppl had heard of this place
Mar 18, 2014, 11:07 AM
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Before the owner put up the sign? I hadn't. Free advertising for putting up a sign, now Facebook and TigerNet are talking ab the place. Sooooo, ########, idiot, whatever you wanna call him, bet more ppl walk by the store and know about the place now.
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How could you attend CU and NOT know about backstreet?***
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I only know because of the one time I went
Mar 18, 2014, 12:33 PM
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It's a ###### bar.
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Re: My guess is the poster never went to Clemson...?***
Mar 18, 2014, 1:50 PM
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Nope never went to clemson, i have never supported clemson nor has any of my family. I only like clemson because they have a cool tiger paw on a shirt that i saw at walmart.. My uncle was a professor at clemson, my mom sister and i all graduated from clemson. But i have no clue what i am talking about. But none of that matters the fact is that the owner posted his business for no CWP. That is fine, but to put an A$$hat comment on the end pisses a bunch of people off i happen to be one of them.
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My post was clearly referring to "ImissCJ" for never hearing
Mar 18, 2014, 2:02 PM
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about Backstreets...
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Re: My post was clearly referring to "ImissCJ" for never hearing
Mar 18, 2014, 2:04 PM
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Clearly sorr for the flame spray then.
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It's one thing to ask ppl not to carry in your business...
Mar 18, 2014, 11:21 AM
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it's another thing to insult people for carrying a gun. Silly for them to go out of their way to insult some of their customers like that.
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Will it be considered douchebaggery to point and laugh
Mar 18, 2014, 11:30 AM
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when he goes out of business?
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Based on what I've heard.....
Mar 18, 2014, 11:50 AM
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about the food and the customer service, the carrying concealed weapons issue aside, going out of business is likely to happen anyway
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Re: Based on what I've heard.....
Mar 19, 2014, 10:39 PM
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Not sure what you are hearing, bar was packed last night during cut spring break week
Guns have no place in bars , only statement owner trying to make
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all what the sign does is pi$$ people off
Mar 18, 2014, 11:42 AM
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and make the owner or manager look like a #########. It doesn't meet the criteria to prohibit concealed carry in the establishment, therefore it is still completely legal to concealed carry there.
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That would be a threatening action in a stand your ground
Mar 18, 2014, 11:49 AM
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state.
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No, it wouldn't.
Mar 18, 2014, 11:52 AM
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The only way the owner would know you are carrying is if you either told him or someone saw it, both of which are typically not "allowed" as concealed carry MEANS concealed.
But to your point, the mere presence of a weapon is NOT enough to rise to the level of threat necessary for any actions to be covered by stand your ground laws.
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Ring of Honor [23707]
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The presence of a weapon plus the specific request there not
Mar 18, 2014, 11:58 AM
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be one would probably be enough to get that party started.
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Nope.
Mar 18, 2014, 12:03 PM
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You HAVE to be in direct and imminent fear of grave bodily harm. The presence of a weapon alone has not been found to reach that level.
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Ring of Honor [23707]
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When you put up such an obvious sign prohibiting them,
Mar 18, 2014, 12:07 PM
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and somebody comes in with one, a reasonable person could assume there was an imminent threat.
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There would be a NUMBER of steps that must occur
Mar 18, 2014, 12:12 PM
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If the owner/operator asked you to leave then you must. If you don't (but do not threaten with the weapon) then you STILL have not risen to the standard of stand your ground laws. You call the police.
If at any point threats (credible threats) are made with the weapon you begin the process of rising to that level, but even then those threats would have to be seen as imminent and credible.
In the end the presence of a weapon, even where not welcomed, would NOT in itself be seen as a threat rising to the level of stand your ground laws. There would have to be some other factor for it to apply.
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Top TigerNet [29783]
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But, you probably shouldn't.
Mar 18, 2014, 11:49 AM
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We went through this scenario down in Texas. While it is most likely still legal to carry there (if the laws are the written similarly as they are in Texas), the presumption of the owner making his will known carries a great weight in legal proceedings should something occur.
And that is outside the simple principle that the owner of the business has asked you not to and even though he didn't do it in the correct legal manner and certainly he didn't do it in a civil manner, he still has the right to ask and as civilized folks we should follow that direction.
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Re: But, you probably shouldn't.
Mar 18, 2014, 11:55 AM
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I'm in no way saying that I would CC in there (granted I don't CC in Clemson at all).....that's just asking for a headache that is you don't need. I just find bad business practice for a person that is adamant about not having concealed weapons in his establishment to not at least look up the proper way how to post it.
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Agree there.
Mar 18, 2014, 12:05 PM
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I don't carry at bars, even where legally allowed, because I will be having a beer while there with friends. And I don't drink while carrying.
But to your point, there is a very real, non-insulting, legal way for him to get what he wants. And instead he has chosen to forgo that to be insulting.
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I would say I hope his place burns to the ground ... but
Mar 18, 2014, 12:03 PM
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that would mean he would get insurance money. Hope he is out of business by end of the month.
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Did Sheriff Andy Taylor carry a gun? NO!
Mar 18, 2014, 12:10 PM
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But he lived in Mayberry.
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Have to agreed with Need to carry gun in 21st Century, BUT
Mar 18, 2014, 12:13 PM
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is the word DouchBag needed?! Is this a joke!
GoTiGERS!
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Wyatt Earp did not carry a gun with him when he patrolled..
Mar 18, 2014, 5:50 PM
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the streets of Dodge. True fact. Only a few times in Dodge did he carry a gun.
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I have no problem with him not wanting guns in there.
Mar 18, 2014, 12:19 PM
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The sign itself is incredibly juvenile though.
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His business, his choice. The superfluous name-calling was
Mar 18, 2014, 12:23 PM
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totally unnecessary.
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Heisman Winner [84708]
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And that's the whole point of posting the picture...
Mar 18, 2014, 1:11 PM
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Nobody is having an issue with his refusal of firearms in his establishment, the whole issue is he called everyone who conceal carries a loser and a ########...
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Re: And that's the whole point of posting the picture...
Mar 18, 2014, 1:18 PM
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Exactly, why call all CWP holders names?
I would guess a lot ex-military are CWP, and that bar called them D-Bags and losers.
Hope he goes out of business!
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Shouldn't that read "NO FAKE IDs?***
Mar 18, 2014, 12:35 PM
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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no----they're allowed----don't ask, don't tell***
Mar 18, 2014, 12:45 PM
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Top TigerNet [32387]
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72 responses of people trying to deny a fact
Mar 18, 2014, 12:49 PM
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Concealed weapon carriers are duchebags ...i know, cause a carry a weapon every day.... in my pants. .
Small but deadly. ..
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Glad we have rights to carry..but aren't we in the Wild West
Mar 18, 2014, 1:00 PM
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again in the 21st Century. Geez..when will humans go beyond acting like Apes?!
I don't own a gun..which is good in that I look like Barney a bit (with thin neck & ability to make a stupid mistake)..but I'm sure before my time I'll wish I had one cocked to save my life..maybe at a gas station at that.
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Re: Glad we have rights to carry..but aren't we in the Wild West
Mar 18, 2014, 10:20 PM
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maybe you are not...some are in VERY dangerous situations
lots of bad people doing a lot of bad things
...and even in what used to be good neighborhoods
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Since when is concealed carry allowed in bars anyway?***
Mar 18, 2014, 1:00 PM
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Top TigerNet [29783]
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Since mid-February***
Mar 18, 2014, 1:01 PM
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Seems like it's asking for trouble***
Mar 18, 2014, 1:18 PM
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The law stipulates you cannot drink if you carry***
Mar 18, 2014, 1:31 PM
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Seems to defeat the purpose of going to the bar***
Mar 18, 2014, 1:36 PM
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Valley Protector [1463]
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Re: Seems to defeat the purpose of going to the bar***
Mar 18, 2014, 6:14 PM
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Lol!
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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I guess I should stop using Tigernet
Mar 18, 2014, 1:40 PM
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as my primary news source
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National Champion [7835]
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Re: Backstreets deli
Mar 18, 2014, 1:11 PM
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Does this sign comply with SC state law? I don't think so. The law is VERY specific. Even if the sign was valid, it can be a double edged sword. It may do a good job of keeping concealed weapons (by law abiding customers) out of your business. However Mr Business owner, you have now denied me my right to protect myself on your property. If I am killed or injured on your property during a robbery or assault, I (or my family) will sue you for everything you own.
SECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.
(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.
(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:
(1) clearly visible from outside the building;
(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;
(3) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black one-inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal;
(5) a diameter of a circle; and
(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building's entrance door.
(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:
(1) thirty-six inches wide by forty-eight inches tall in size;
(2) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black three- inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(3) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle thirty-four inches in diameter with a diagonal line that is two inches wide and runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal and must be a diameter of a circle whose circumference is two inches wide;
(4) placed not less than forty inches and not more than ninety-six inches above the ground;
(5) posted in sufficient quantities to be clearly visible from any point of entry onto the premises.
HISTORY: 1996 Act No. 464, Section 13; 2002 Act No. 274, Section 5.
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Ring of Honor [23707]
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So, the Esso Club will have to have a huge sign by the road
Mar 18, 2014, 1:21 PM
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or they are allowing concealed weapons, correct?
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Re: So, the Esso Club will have to have a huge sign by the road
Mar 18, 2014, 1:52 PM
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I don't know what the Esso Club wants to do. If they want to "not allow concealed weapons" they should post the signage in compliance with SC state law.
If you do not post " Concealed Weapons Not Allowed" signage, the logical inference is that you do allow concealed weapons. I don't know how effective that argument has been in court proceedings. Maybe some lawyers will weigh in.....
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Top TigerNet [29783]
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It is not a matter of "allowing" them.
Mar 18, 2014, 1:58 PM
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The law now says they are allowed. No action on the part of any establishment is necessary for the default status to remain.
Action is necessary for the owner's to disallow them
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People to sue everyone for everything suck.
Mar 18, 2014, 2:44 PM
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Just so you know.
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*that***
Mar 18, 2014, 2:44 PM
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Re: Backstreets deli
Mar 19, 2014, 12:04 PM
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My first thought when I seen the sign was it didnt comply with SC State Law.
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the irony in all of this is that Clemson is one of the few
Mar 18, 2014, 2:00 PM
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places left that you really don't feel the need to conceal carry. I know I don't around town, it just seems unnecessary. Since you can't on campus, mine almost always stays in the car.
But when I go to Greenville/Anderson/Spartanburg/Columbia - heck yeah I do.
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Haha, what a d'bag. I'll take a Dixie Chick sub to go.***
Mar 18, 2014, 2:15 PM
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What An Idiot!
Mar 18, 2014, 2:18 PM
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Let me translate that sign for all involved "Feel free to rob me and shoot my customers at will".
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This sounds like it arose from a personal conflict perhaps
Mar 18, 2014, 2:21 PM
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If not, this guy is really fired up regarding gun rights, which is odd considering his platform is a delicatessen. Your job consists of making my sandwich not shoving your political ideologies in my face. This guy clearly did not major in marketing/business.
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How do you know he is politically charged…..
Mar 18, 2014, 8:27 PM
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He could be apolitical, and just not care for guns.
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Re: How do you know he is politically charged…..
Mar 18, 2014, 8:38 PM
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I read on another site that the owner holds a CCW himself. Regardless, I would never step foot in his establishment.....not so much for his views on ppl carrying guns inside but b/c of his deliberate, idiotic decision to alienate a good pct of potential customers. In fact, anyone posting a sign with the word "dbag" on the door is just fat-out dumb as dirt.
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lighten up, it was kind of funny….
Mar 18, 2014, 8:55 PM
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It's a sign at a deli. There are restaurants all over the nation that have signs poking fun at something. Or maybe it's just that time of the month for you.
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Orange Blooded [2506]
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Funny thing is, legally you can still carry in there
Mar 18, 2014, 2:38 PM
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Since his sign is far from following the guidelines.
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Someone posted that he now has the legal sign***
Mar 18, 2014, 2:45 PM
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Good 4 Pete-the Bill of Rights at work or social experiment?***
Mar 18, 2014, 4:42 PM
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Its Backstreets, no concealed carry means you whip it out
Mar 18, 2014, 5:15 PM
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Re: Its Backstreets, no concealed carry means you whip it out
Mar 18, 2014, 6:51 PM
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I'm sure criminals will abide by his sign
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this has nothing to do with Clemson sports***
Mar 18, 2014, 5:45 PM
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Who carries a gun into a bar? Especially in Clemson.***
Mar 18, 2014, 7:28 PM
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That will be his Waterloo...
Mar 18, 2014, 7:33 PM
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Dumb, dumb move but then again he may be a multi-millionaire.
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Durnk peepul shud theenk befour tiping up sines and
Mar 18, 2014, 8:51 PM
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puting thim on there dore.
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This DA is already famous in N AL for his sign
Mar 18, 2014, 9:38 PM
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Hope the ####### goes out of business, SOON!
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Mar 18, 2014, 10:07 PM
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No, seriously. Every time I've ever known a gun owner who also had ducks, the ducks were really tiny. Maybe the handguns were compensation?
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Re: Backstreets deli
Mar 18, 2014, 10:07 PM
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Will go nicely next to their please rob me sign.
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Men fought and died for...
Mar 19, 2014, 5:54 AM
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his right to be a doschbag so lay off!
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Re: Backstreets deli
Mar 19, 2014, 8:15 AM
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So after watching the new report on this he claims to be a CWP holder and a supporter of the 2nd amendment. I highly doubt that or he doesnt remeber any of his cwp class or hasent read the new law for bar carry. Another question if he post his bar as now concealed weapons is he allowed to have his gun in the bar to protect himself? That is one that i dont know anyone else out there got information on that one
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Campus Hero [13859]
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I'm sorry, but the argument that these concealed weapon
Mar 19, 2014, 8:31 AM
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carriers are going to "save patrons in the event of a robbery" is ridiculous. How often do you hear about somebody shooting up a deli during a robbery? It's much more likely that joe schmoe pulls out his .38 special trying to be a hero and causes the situation to escalate to something deadly.
Cops are trained to respond to these types of situations, the average person with a concealed weapons permit is not.
And this is coming from somebody who is firmly against most gun regulation.
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Re: I'm sorry, but the argument that these concealed weapon
Mar 19, 2014, 8:37 AM
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nancy
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Re: I'm sorry, but the argument that these concealed weapon
Mar 19, 2014, 9:12 AM
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As some one who my CWP stopped me from getting robbed your argument is flawed. I have also seen more Cops that have shot people on a drop of a hat than most CWP holders just look at the cop that shot the guy for getting his cane out of the car no reason for that guy to be shot. You are wanting those guys to be your defense? The military has worse rules of engagement than someone just carrying a gun or pipe to shoot them come on.
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A lot of his business is probably college students
Mar 19, 2014, 10:30 AM
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that don't care much beyond getting a good sandwich and professors, a demographic that is often very liberal.
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Re: Backstreets deli
Mar 19, 2014, 12:08 PM
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I never leave home without my protection. A person who can't defend himself or herself is a sheep ready for slaughter. You never need a gun, until you really need a gun. Usually after that if you are not prepared you never need anything else except a mortician. The Second Amendment is the way we protect the First Amendment, without it see how long your rights would last. John Wayne said it best, "life is hard, it's even harder if your stupid!"
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First off
Mar 19, 2014, 3:09 PM
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it's you're not your...moving on to move important matters.
Do you carry a gun with you when you go out drinking?
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Dynasty Maker [3240]
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Re: Backstreets deli
Mar 19, 2014, 12:13 PM
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cwp carrier here
No go for me
GL
Go Tigers............
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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Why would you go to Backsteets to do anything but drink?
Mar 19, 2014, 3:09 PM
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Have you ever been there? If so, what did you do there? If you thinks it's a deli you are mistaken.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Best wings in Clemson
Mar 19, 2014, 3:11 PM
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They also have good pizza & burgers.
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Have you been there and not had a drink?
Mar 19, 2014, 3:16 PM
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Maybe it's changed since I was in school but I don't recall anyone ever saying, "Hey, let's go to Backstreets and get some lunch". I do fondly recall cheap pizza and liquor pitcher night though, and I have seen 2 pretty good bar fights as well.
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Re: Best wings in Clemson
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BEWM! right-on brother!
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Orange Blooded [4787]
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honest question, are you getting free drinks/food for your
Mar 19, 2014, 5:24 PM
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defense of this guy?
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Incorrect Signage
Mar 19, 2014, 4:15 PM
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According to SC Code of Laws (http://scstatehouse.gov/code/t23c031.php) This sign is incorrect for not allowing conceled weapons on the premise:
SECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.
(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.
(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:
(1) clearly visible from outside the building;
(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;
(3) contain the words "NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED" in black one-inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal;
(5) a diameter of a circle; and
(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building's entrance door.
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Question: The proprietor obviously had incorrect signage
Mar 19, 2014, 4:42 PM
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What is the remedy had someone come in carrying even though there is incorrect signage posted? Can they continue to stay within the establishment legally or would they have to leave when asked to depart? What remedy does the patron have if he is refused service or asked to leave?
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Re: Question: The proprietor obviously had incorrect signage
Mar 19, 2014, 4:53 PM
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Well the whole purpose of a concealed weapon is that it is concealed, no one should know you have it. However if the proprietor told the person to leave then they should leave whether they have a weapon or not.
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Head Coach [757]
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Does the patron have a remedy being that the sign is wrong?***
Mar 19, 2014, 4:55 PM
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