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TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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I don't remember this many commits de committing before signing day.
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Nov 1, 2024, 1:47 PM
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Better get used to it
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Re: I don't remember this many commits de committing before signing day.
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:12 PM
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Money talks, people. greed overrules character in College Football now.
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Re: I don't remember this many commits de committing before signing day.
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:16 PM
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It blows so hard but you can't blame these kids. Wouldn't you take a job paying way more vs the same job paying way less? At 17-18 yrs old I would likely do the same thing. Get offered 6 figures to flip a commitment vs a set 30k a year or whatever it is that Clemson is paying these kids in NIL now. We can't compete with these big schools now and it's gonna really really start hurting us.
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Re: I don't remember this many commits de committing before signing day.
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:36 PM
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We can easily compete with these schools, Dabo just has to decide if he wants to get into bidding wars. He's more focused on paying the players here, and as you can see, we don't lose players we don't mind seeing leave (This includes Collins and Mukuba). The main issue here, from what I've heard, is the staff doesn't know, or isn't letting recruits know, what their plan is for revenue sharing when it kicks in in July. We'll see.
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Re: I don't remember this many commits de committing before signing day.
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:41 PM
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I get what you are saying; pay the players here. That’s not going to matter when our talent level falls because we can’t get the high level guys in the door. Something’s got to give. Either we can or we can’t compete. If we can then we have to stop handcuffing ourselves at both doors - recruiting and portal.
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Re: I don't remember this many commits de committing before signing day.
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:44 PM
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Exactly. You have to get the players here first. And if you're not going to go after talent in the portal and you're not going to be competitive for talent in the high school ranks you're going to quickly find that the talent level of the roster is going to rapidly fall off.
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Re: I don't remember this many commits de committing before signing day.
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:58 PM
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Yep. That’s the issue. It would be fine to focus just on retention if you were still getting elite talent up front. Problem is we quite simply are not. Not the kids we used to get. So we’re gonna have to start getting in on some bidding wars soon , at least at qb and DE , or we will be way out of contention on the national stage sooner rather than later.
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Re: I don't remember this many commits de committing before signing day.
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:53 PM
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I've got no problem paying recruits more than what we currently offer. I have no idea what that is, but have heard it's competitive. There's going to be times they need to adjust and go above that and match offers. Will they do that, or are they currently doing that? IDK. Will the House Settlement, with the supposed "NIL Rules" curb any of this and make it actual NIL, and not pay to play? Again, IDK. I think Swinney is feeling it out as he goes. He's taken care of the current roster management end, and I'd argue as good as anyone, but he's got to figure out this new landscape for recruiting. Also need to see what's going on with the revenue sharing and how they plan to distribute that, because he can personally handle a bidding war in that case. I think one thing that would be a big boon, is if the SC government passes a law, like Georgia for instance, where they can bring the NIL collective in house, and Swinney can have more control over what he wants with it.
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Re: I don't remember this many commits de committing before signing day.
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Nov 1, 2024, 3:43 PM
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What do we offer ???? I don’t think Dabo has anything to do with it
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Re: I don't remember this many commits de committing before signing day.
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Nov 1, 2024, 5:12 PM
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I agree with your points, but unfortunately I don’t think the revenue sharing is going to stop any of this. So it’s past time for us to wake up and decide what we want to do as a program. Compete at the highest level or be happy in the top half of the also rans. I guess we’ll see. Looks like for the long term we are choosing the latter. We wont drop off a cliff overnight but you can already see we don’t have the talent in the other 2/3 of the roster we use to.
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Re: I don't remember this many commits de committing before signing day.
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Nov 1, 2024, 5:40 PM
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I think the first big step is the SC legislature passing something similar to Georgia, which Swinney advocated for last year, and allowing schools to pay NIL directly. Maybe that changes the dynamic a little more, and I would assume that NIL would be derived directly from our revenue, especially with the new sports pass fee being applied, or even doing something similar to Tennessee and adding $10 per ticket specifically for this. I don’t think Dabo will allow us to slip to mediocrity, and his methods had worked up until this year. Might be too late to adjust this season, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see adjustments for next.
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Re: I don't remember this many commits de committing before signing day.
Nov 1, 2024, 6:20 PM
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You are certainly more optimistic than I am and I applaud that. I certainly don’t have all the info so no idea what is going on behind the scenes. I just hope whatever it is happens soon. His methods have been helping us keep our heads above water so far but the talent slip in some of our depth is pretty obvious. Something has to change soon.
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Re: I don't remember this many commits de committing before signing day.
Nov 2, 2024, 10:04 AM
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This is correct. What are we going to do? Pay all the 2 and 3 star recruits we have. Now if we don’t have the money it is an entirely different situation. Commitments are going to have to turn into signing contracts. Dabo is going to have to adjust.
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Re: I don't remember this many commits de committing before signing day.
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Nov 1, 2024, 4:09 PM
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All of that is the way that it is in these times, but don't commit to someone or something that you don't believe in. When you commit to a school or a team you stick with it or at least tell the coach if someone offers you more that you will consider their offer but give them the opportunity to counter it if this is the way that it works these days!!...
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In about 6 months, Clemson will be free to use IPTAY $ to buy kids so
Nov 2, 2024, 5:17 AM
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Just hang on college football. Once that juggernaut is released, very few programs will outpace Clemson’s ability to pay $. That said, I still think Dabo won’t just go down the $$ hole in order to assemble a team. But he will have the muscle to use if and when he deems it necessary.
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Re: I don't remember this many commits de committing before signing day.
Nov 2, 2024, 12:28 AM
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Is that right? I thought ya'll said Capitalism was good. This is what capitalism looks like out of control. I guess as long as ya'll control it then it's all good. Bahahahahahahaha Get your money young bucks
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Re: I don't remember this many commits de committing before signing day.
Nov 2, 2024, 10:07 AM
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Yes and if the capitalism makes the sport uncompetitive for 70% of the teams them CFB is done. I am not watching if Clemson cannot compete.
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Sure does
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:34 PM
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With most every man and woman seeking a job, pay is the most important factor. Playing football in college has gone from being a privilege to being a job. Most college football players will earn more playing in college than they will earn the rest of their lives. Their families understandably need/want to cash in.
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 1:48 PM
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$$$$$$
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I'm sure someone is throwing dollars at him
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Nov 1, 2024, 3:36 PM
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but I think our depth chart at CB figures into this as well. We likely don't lose anyone. However, at S, we lose several, and Young is a better roster fit. He decides Sat and we're heavily favored to land him.
We're signing a small class. Can only have 85 on scholarship until July 1, and we're not likely losing many. After July 1 will be when the real bidding wars begin as teams try to get to 105. Could actually be the time we use the portal for a few guys After we do see who leaves
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Re: I'm sure someone is throwing dollars at him
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Nov 1, 2024, 4:27 PM
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but I think our depth chart at CB figures into this as well. We likely don't lose anyone. However, at S, we lose several, and Young is a better roster fit. He decides Sat and we're heavily favored to land him.
We're signing a small class. Can only have 85 on scholarship until July 1, and we're not likely losing many. After July 1 will be when the real bidding wars begin as teams try to get to 105. Could actually be the time we use the portal for a few guys After we do see who leaves
The portal window isn’t open after July 1st, right? Also, I thought the 85 scholly limit isn’t enforced until August, so we should be able to expand the roster after spring camp and during the post spring portal in anticipation of a 105 roster limit. Of course the raiding by P2 schools of the Tiger’s roster might create a net negative roster count during the spring portal window.
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 1:48 PM
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It's no longer recruiting....its Free Agency, all there is to it.
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:00 PM
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It's just an auction and nothing more. A significant number of the players have no interest whatsoever in the University, just the check. If it's not curtailed and some groundrules aren't established around the sport soon...well, to he-- with it.
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:05 PM
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Auction is a fantastic word for it
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:47 PM
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talent level is dropping
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Eat bugs, Coot
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Enjoy your annual trip to the Toilet Bowl.
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I hope the checks clear before kids make these choices. CFB = endless auction***
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Yes, I don't ever recall this much of this - maybe its happening all over and we just are not used to it. I agree with you above it is really now 4 years (or 7!) of free agency! I like Dabo's idea of a straight 5-year plan - with one-and-done on the transfer and no extra year and no sitting out (I don't know if he has that part in his plan or not).
We will be OK as long as we can come up with the $$$ to fill the gaps.
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:22 PM
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Clemson has the money, Clemson just isn't going to buy players. Dabo has the NIL thing going where all the kids get a base salary and then they can also do other things to get more money. We don't have the boosters saying "come here and I've got a check with a 1 and 5 zeros on it for you". We do it the right way and it is burning us. Maybe one day they'll put a cap on it like the NFL but until then, nothing will change. Even the coots can out pay us.
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:09 PM
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Like Curly Bill Said "Bye"
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:10 PM
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The sport I know and love has changed drastically. If I'm still watching and caring in the next 5 years, that means something occurred to stop the nonsense of going to the highest bidder. This isn't how we all viewed what NIL was going to become. It also isn't a sustainable model in its current form.
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:18 PM
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Clemson will be fine. The rest will struggle more than we will,I think. Dabos plan seems to be getting traction back. I have ORANGE FAITH
Go Tigers
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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If you aren't going to spend money to attract talent that's not already on the roster you'll quickly no longer have talent to use that money to retain. That's the game today.
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Can’t wait to settle for a 3 star replacement whose best offer is Oklahoma State! And the sunshine pumpers will tell themselves everything is fine!
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Sounds like you decootmitted and are lurking around on Tiger Net !***
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:25 PM
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At the end of the day a lot of the decommitments seem to be money related. Whether Dabo is giving money or not to come to Clemson, the alumni base isn't comparable with the schools that these kids are going to. On the bright side, Jordan Young is supposed to announce a commitment tomorrow to CU.
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:31 PM
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Well, we do have a director of NIL on staff, and other than being a pretty face, I'm not real sure what Kendall Mercer does if in her first year we've lost 5 commitments, with what appears to be NIL related issues. Another issue is, according to Jason Priester, the staff still has no plan, or are not telling recruits, what their plan is for the new revenue distribution which is slated to go into effect this July.
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
Nov 1, 2024, 2:57 PM
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What plan would that be? They all get an equal share or wouldn't that go to court?
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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There's a pot of $21 million I believe (not sure the exact money) to be split up among the entire AD. Clemson, like most schools, will allocate most of the money to football (I've heard around 17 mil). Swinney then gets to determine, yearly, how he wants to split that $17 mil up among his team. Want to pay your starting QB $5 Mil, then that would be up to Swinney and "market value". The argument against paying every player the same is that it would open schools up to anti-trust allegations and price fixing.
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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I still contend that the proposed House settlement is doomed. Even IF it is fully approved next year as currently written and schools have a defined pot of $ to pay athletes, it may be difficult to allot most of that money to football because of Title IX issues. That issue would play out in court as well and keep things in limbo. Also, any "final" settlement by the US District Ct will most likely get appealed. The Supreme Court is no fan of the NCAA and placing restrictions on athlete's ability to earn $. There could be state law challenges that gum up the works. Bottom line, if our current admin and coaches are saying "hey recruit, wait until House settlement goes into effect" that is fools gold for sure IMO. For most Top 100 players, it is a bidding war up front. Period. Full stop.
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Exactly right.
Nov 2, 2024, 10:28 AM
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Plus additional factors.
The NIL oversight part of the House settlement is in conflict with multiple other legal challenges. Those include potential friend of the court briefs, counter lawsuits, and definitely the injunction in the Tennessee/Virginia vs NCAA case. If Tennessee and Virginia win their case, that sets a precedent for the NCAA being permanently enjoined from any interference with private NIL deals.
That would torpedo the ability furbtre NCAA to even look at any private deal between two other private entities.
I alao agree that this will probably end up in the Supreme Court. They have already shown antipathy toward the NCAA's entire sports model.
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It is what it is. The schools able and willing will get the top players. Period. And I certainly don’t blame 15-18 year olds for changing the mind because if money. This kid probably committed before he fully understood what was out there and how much security he could get elsewhere. Not his fault. He’s just part of a system that ain’t what it used to be. I’ll still love Clemson, no matter how the game changes.
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:36 PM
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Cha-ching...
Perhaps we should view this as a positive. The kid presents as a hired gun, a mentality that has imploded multiple programs across the country. We have fielded a better product with proven results. Dabo's recruiting philosophy weeds out the weak - the kids that are looking for a buck, rather than the opportunity to become the best version of themselves don't belong at Clemson. We need kids that will buy in to the program, rather than being bought themselves, and allow the killer staff that we have to coach them as hard as it takes to unleash their full potential.
Have to see the bigger picture of earned draft stock and long term added value. That said, hard to beat a 'Winn-Dixie grocery bag full of money' - a dream most of these kids have been bombarded with since they were born.
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If this is the way it is, so be it. BUT, don’t commit and say I’m ALL IN unless you mean it. It’s better to not commit until you are certain. That right there tells me all we need to know about the kid. Don’t want him if his word just blows in the wind. No character.
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Nov 1, 2024, 2:56 PM
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It has to be called "commitment". They have to be committed in order to then get paid NIL once they start playing for the university they 'attend' for.
Public Universities cannot have 'auctions'. Understand why philly is suing Musk (even though I think it will get settled)?
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Better these types don't go to school with your daughters anyway***
Nov 1, 2024, 3:19 PM
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Orange Beast [6285]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 3:08 PM
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Fix the transfer rules and the portal and this becomes less of an issue. Right now it’s free agency every year and that’s not good for anyone.
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All-TigerNet [5942]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 3:24 PM
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We have to stop using the word commitment.
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Associate AD [1033]
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The NIL and the transfer portal are...
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Nov 1, 2024, 3:26 PM
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...ruining college football (if it isn't ruined already). $$$ seems to be the only motivating factor for players and their families. This is why college football is in severe danger of not surviving especially the smaller schools. I back Dabo 100% in his dislike of the portal and NIL...🐯
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Tiger Spirit [9884]
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This word you use, "commitment"....
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Nov 1, 2024, 3:33 PM
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I don't understand the meaning of it....
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MVP [530]
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Re: This word you use, "commitment"....
Nov 1, 2024, 7:14 PM
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...obviously, players also don't know what "commitment" means.
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Rival Killer [2914]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
Nov 1, 2024, 3:53 PM
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If I have to choose, I'll take a 4-star interior OL over any safety. With the way Coach Reed and the Tigers have put defensive backs in the league, we should be able to find another soon.
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Associate AD [1099]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 4:17 PM
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A commitment isn’t a commitment any more until the check clears. So sad what has happened to amateur college football. It’s gone.
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Athletic Dir [1152]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
Nov 1, 2024, 6:00 PM
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Amen on commitment is not a commitment. I wonder if later in their professional life and career if their word would be worth anything. I wouldn’t hire them.
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Campus Hero [13424]
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Campus Hero [13683]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 5:15 PM
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Now slipped to #22 in the 247 ranking. One spot above SC. That's about the lowest rated recruiting class Clemson's had in some time. This keeps up the change to a mediocre ACC team will be complete in a year or two.
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Clemson Conqueror [11860]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
Nov 1, 2024, 6:02 PM
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You need to look at the average star rating not the total points. I could really care how many are in this class but the quality of the players we do get.
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Clemson Sports Icon [58438]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 5:25 PM
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The new football recruiting practices are great, huh?
I’m so glad I no longer care how anyone gets players.
Go Tigers!!! Beat UofL!!!
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Dynasty Maker [3561]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
Nov 1, 2024, 5:41 PM
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I certainly hope these guys don’t get money upfront.
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MVP [530]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
Nov 1, 2024, 7:19 PM
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Hey folks, think it's bad now...wait until they raise the 85 scholarship to 105. Schools with bigger $$$ will just hoard players to keep them going to other schools. The remaining pool of players available will really be small.
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Athletic Dir [1158]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 8:02 PM
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I believe it (NIL) will fall in on itself. These younger fellows will get a big paycheck. 1/3 of their $ will go towards a very nice fast beautiful vehicle. Another 1/3 will go up their nose. They’ll leave college with some cash but their quality of performance will drop substantially because they got their $ before they learned how to handle it. Not predicting this season, give it about 5 seasons. Just my belief. I remember being 17-18 and having $100. in my pocket. I wasn’t very smart.
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Athletic Dir [1158]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
Nov 1, 2024, 8:03 PM
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It didn’t get up my nose but there was a lot of liquids involved.
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Orange Blooded [2142]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 7:52 PM
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Unfortunately, this is the beginning of the end of Clemson‘s dominance in football. We’re a smaller school that lacks a large, wealthy alumni base or commercial / corporate support that many other schools have. College football is now all about NL and Clemson cannot compete based on NIL.
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Orange Beast [6521]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
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Nov 1, 2024, 9:49 PM
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Darn, darn hate to lose him! I guess that is part of the Wild West with no rules
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Asst Coach [841]
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All-American [560]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
Nov 2, 2024, 8:46 AM
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Not really concerned with this. As Clemson fans we have seen Coach Mike Reed develop talent at this position. In a few years this young man will realize he missed a chance to be coached by one of, if not the best, CB coach in college football.
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Asst Coach [891]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
Nov 2, 2024, 9:50 AM
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Everyone always assumes when a decommitment occurs that it’s the kid and his family looking for more of something. I keep saying that it’s often a mutual decision between our staff and the family. The staff is willing to take the heat to let the kid and family save face. What reasons would there be for allowing a commitment to walk? Behavior, grades, other options available, over-population of a position group, and, yes, money.
My point: It’s not always as simple as it might seem. Sometimes there is a back story.
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Associate AD [1084]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
Nov 2, 2024, 9:54 AM
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So how far is this current recruiting class going to set the program back? We are top 10 half the time and 11-13 most other years. I don’t remember the last time we were outside the top 20.
Better enjoy this year.
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Asst Coach [891]
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Re: TNET: Report: Clemson loses 4-star commitment
Nov 2, 2024, 10:08 AM
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Doesn't look like you have followed Clemson for long....don't be so confidant in our demise
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