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Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 8:16 PM
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I think not. And can that school afford to buy many more players? And how will the other players react when the primadona player does not perform?
I guess we will see.
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Yes***
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Legend [6676]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 8:19 PM
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Who are you referring to? The QB transferring to Duke is getting $4 million/year supposedly
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 8:21 PM
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There’s a new billionaire made every day. A couple million means nothing to them.
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Game Day Hero [4330]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 8:33 PM
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What's a school's football program worth? Don't fool yourself, there are investors ponying up the money for these players and you better believe they are getting a return on their investment. As long as they make money they will continue to spend money on these kids. I don't like it anymore than most of you but I can't blame the kids either.
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 8:51 PM
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So how are they getting a return on there money?
How are the “ investing” ?
I see people donating and they will get tired of donating that much money!
There is not a Billionaire made everyday and I would dare say most schools don’t have a billionaire.
This system stinks!
This system will not last!
The only question is will it totally destroy college sports?
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Game Day Hero [4330]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 25, 2024, 9:18 PM
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This is a small quote from an article on NIL.
private equity and other investment firms are inserting themselves into college sports, on both the player and the program side
So before you dispute what everyone is saying, do some research first 1965Tiger.
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Not likely for investor in $2.7M player - yes to Nil investors of teammates
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Dec 26, 2024, 7:44 AM
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On the marginal aspects of NIL investment in individual teams, there might be positive ROI for those smaller $ investments. Overall, I doubt very much that NIL provides a positive ROI.
Let’s take MI and 2025 recruiting class QB Bryce Underwood (I think that’s name). Barstool Sports principal owner coughed up ~$12M in NIL money to buy off Underwood to flip to MI.
Unless Bryce Underwood is a Wizard of Wall Street money manager who will invest Barsttol Sports cash reserves into Nancy Pelosi-esque stock market returns, Underwood’s image and occasional appearances on Barstool’s website and podcasts won’t get a positive ROI.
Portnoy ‘bought’ Underwood for reasons of ego. Kind of like buying a Maserati instead of a Subaru. Or, he made a terrible business decision.
As for the ‘on the margin’ NIL investors in less luminescent players, there might be a positive ROI. Say that Underwood leads MI to multiple National Championships. A consortium of three investors, each being executive managers of an insurance company, an anti-theft security systems company, and a home fire extinguisher company respectively, invest in a NIL for a MI offensive tackle. The offensive tackle’s NIL deal is worth $360000 over 4 years; cost per year for each of the three NIL members in the consortium Every player on the MI team has more ‘image value’ because MI had gotten tremendous new publicity by winning several Nat.Championships with Underwood at WB. The three NIL investors each chipped in $120,000 share. Each year’s NIL cost for each of the three members is $30,000.
It is feasible that an expense of $30,000 per year might bring in additional sales of $120,000 per year that generate pre-tax profits of $40,000 per year. In this scenario, the small NIL investors get a positive ROI from their NIL investment.
For investors in small NIL expenses for the non-star players, there might indeed be a positive ROI, but the guy who pays the huge bucks for World’s Biggest Stud Player, the ROI would almost assuredly be negative.
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 26, 2024, 2:22 PM
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Research ROI? How would that work and how would it be measured? What they going to do about it if they don’t. Nothing. Cash in fist! There would be a lawsuit. These collectives are not guaranteed anything.
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Valley Legend [12488]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 8:49 PM
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I’d say yea. Many are making much more. Players like Travis Hunter put butts in seats. You better believe I’d pay him more than that. But, I’ve ran successful businesses. Football is a business. Just a fact. Players. Put. Butts. In. Seats.
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110%er [3605]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 25, 2024, 8:52 PM
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Well if you are paying one guy 2 million and 90 others 50k I doubt you have ran that successful of a business.
All that’s doing is setting up a revolt.
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Campus Hero [13275]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 8:58 PM
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It happens all of the time in corporate America and even to an extent in pro sports.
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 9:30 PM
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Who made money off of Travis Hunter’s NIL? This is about boosters paying for the betterment of their team. Oregon and Michigan are in an NIL level by themselves. None of the SEC teams can keep up with those two with NIL payments.
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Valley Legend [12488]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 9:00 PM
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That’s real in business. Less than 10% of the employees close 90% of the lucrative deals. Just a fact. Same in football. Go watch Glen Gary Glen Ross and get back to me.
Message was edited by: OneJedi®
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 9:10 PM
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Put that coffee down.
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Valley Legend [12488]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 9:21 PM
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Where am I wrong?! Bring some receipts. Name one elite transfer that didn’t work out. Remember the majority of the first round draft picks were transfers. Including the top five players.
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 25, 2024, 10:04 PM
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Prove it with facts not unproven statements.
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110%er [3647]
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Dec 25, 2024, 9:36 PM
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I’m curious if YOU have ever successfully managed a payroll.
When you have an irreplaceable star, you’d better make sure they get paid like it.
A closing salesman, a closing pitcher, a closing lawyer—everyone else does the set-up, and if the closer leaves for greener pastures the business has to lay people off—only immature children would mutiny.
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Orange Beast [6411]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 25, 2024, 9:41 PM
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The business, college football, is not paying for the irreplaceable star.
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National Champion [7317]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 9:42 PM
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This right here. Years ago, in my first management position I had two people that worked for me, that were responsible for about 70% of the production in my department. They had worked for the company for 5 years, and in that time had only received 1 raise. They were the quiet type who didn't like to rock the boat. Eventually it got to a point where they had to say something to me. So I went to the plant manager and told him he would lose them if they didn't get a SUBSTANTIAL raise, not the meager raise they got before. He beat around the bush with me and I probably told him about 5 times. Fi ally I went to them and told them they should go to the plant manager and put their two weeks notice in. Needless to say they were back the next day with a nice raise.
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Orange Beast [6411]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 25, 2024, 9:18 PM
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The problem is the money made from putting butts in seats is not the money that’s paying the players. Remember the players wanted a cut of the money made off of them. As of today, that has not happened.
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Valley Legend [12488]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 9:22 PM
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No one said that. People in seats and eyes on TV make money. People tune in to watch Travis Hunter. The majority of ALL first round picks were transfers at one point. Just facts
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Orange Beast [6411]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 9:39 PM
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You are combining two different things, NIL payment and money made from putting butts in seats. How are the rich boosters getting a financial return on investment from their NIL contributions? The boosters are not getting any of the revenue from attendance and they are not getting any of the tv revenue. The players wanted a cut of the profits and that still has not happened. That is why most boosters are getting fed up because they are being asked to add NIL collective money on top of their tickets costs and boosters organizations.
The have NIL players which are few are killing it for the majority of the have not players. Look at the players in the portal that are no longer in school getting a free college degree. The entire thing is a mess. When an SEC school cannot keep up with Oregon and Michigan, college football is on life support.
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 26, 2024, 2:27 PM
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People are going to fill the seats and watch the games regardless of Travis Hunter or anyone else. It’s college football. It sells itself.
Clemson had huge crowds at our lowest times. Pro crowds are a little different depending on the fan base and the history of the franchise.
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 25, 2024, 9:35 PM
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I'm just not sure how true that is. I feel like it's the college name that puts butt's in seats for most fans. Idk how much is because of the players name.
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Campus Hero [13275]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 25, 2024, 9:45 PM
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Collége names definitely put people in the seats, but when the team is good and puts on a show, the school makes a lot more. The name will only go so far if the team is boring and isn't winning enough.
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Campus Hero [13275]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 8:54 PM
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Definitely. That's a steal for some.
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Dec 25, 2024, 9:01 PM
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#### no.
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Orange Beast [6327]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 25, 2024, 9:05 PM
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He will flop next year.
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No, they are not.
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Dec 25, 2024, 9:11 PM
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Not even close.
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Campus Hero [13275]
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Re: No, they are not.
Dec 25, 2024, 9:24 PM
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Yeah they are. It's a steal.
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Valley Protector [1440]
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Clemson woulda paid 10x that amt for Deshaun and TL because
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Dec 25, 2024, 9:26 PM
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It has been a boon to the university. I remember coming back from the 2016 natty and Rick neuheisal talking about how big of a deal it was to clemson. He said that the increase in interest in athletics and academics would be HUGE! The university has capitalized. Way more than any amount you can place on one players head.
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Re: Clemson woulda paid 10x that amt for Deshaun and TL because
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Dec 25, 2024, 9:47 PM
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Clemson cannot pay players. The question becomes “Does Clemson have a booster willing to let go of the millions per year to keep a DW4 or TL16 type of player on the roster?” If so, that booster would not make a penny on the millions paid to the player.
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 25, 2024, 9:34 PM
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I do believe people will watch college no matter who the qbs are so idk that the players are what drives the money. That said they are the ones playing the game and usually the qb is the face of a team. I'd say most college teams are worth millions and millions so you could say the starting qb is certainly worth a portion of that.
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National Champion [7317]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 9:35 PM
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Absolutely yes. How much money do you think k people spent to SPECIFICALLY watch trevor lawrence and deshaun watson play? And if you want my honest opinion, it's probably not enough.....
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Campus Hero [13275]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 25, 2024, 9:46 PM
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It's more than enough and those guys are a steal.
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 25, 2024, 10:06 PM
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Well we just made 4 million from making the playoff so they could be in some cases.
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110%er [3647]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 25, 2024, 10:11 PM
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Worth is always relative.
Therefore, if they aren’t now, they soon will be.
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 25, 2024, 10:16 PM
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The player is not worth it but as far as the school, the money is most likely not from the school. You have to realize how big schools are how much much money they get from the states that support. Would there be enough in the school's to support the hundreds of men and athletes that represent the school, absolutely not.
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 10:19 PM
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Would you pay a college football player 2.7 million if he made you 5.4 million???
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Campus Hero [13275]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 25, 2024, 10:21 PM
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They sold a ton of Trevor Lawrence jerseys too.
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Valley Protector [1422]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 25, 2024, 10:39 PM
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No and it’s a shame this is even a debate
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Campus Hero [13275]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 25, 2024, 10:43 PM
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It's not a debate and they are worth it. They are a bargain.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99922]
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Trevor, DW, CJ Sammy W. ...and that's just a few who played for Clemson.***
Dec 26, 2024, 5:56 AM
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Game Changer [1966]
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I'm reminded of Oscar Wilde's quote:
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Dec 26, 2024, 7:27 AM
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"People today know the price of everything and the value of nothing." Still true in our new Gilded Age.
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Campus Hero [13275]
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Dec 26, 2024, 7:34 AM
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Ohio State football brings in 251 million annually. They know what helps them keep their jobs and the fans excited.
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Dynasty Maker [3229]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 26, 2024, 7:37 AM
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Tennessee was dumb enough to pay Nico 8 million🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Solid Orange [1339]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 26, 2024, 7:55 AM
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Only because we the fans demand our teams to be good. If it were not for the rivalries not as many people would care. I’m assuming you are referring to the Coot QB. They are obsessed with beating CU and getting a natty since we won 3.
I could go on but I’m tired now
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Paw Warrior [4883]
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Absolutely.
Dec 26, 2024, 8:57 AM
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Sellers beating us this year on the 3rd and 16 made him worth it to Coot fans.
I was hoping he would have offer he couldn’t refuse and would transfer out. The coots did the smart thing and paid him!!
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Re: Absolutely.
Dec 26, 2024, 3:59 PM
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Sellers ran through the whole defense so he’s probably worth the money
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Top TigerNet [28570]
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In today's world of NCAA football, yes.
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Dec 26, 2024, 10:31 AM
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Consider Miami and Cam Ward. They didn't make the playoffs. They didn't even make it to Charlotte. But, the school benefitted far more than 2.7 million bucks for him.
And, the good news for Miami is the school didn't even pay his NIL deal (whatever it was). It was paid for by people using their money, not the school's.
Same with Sellars. He's not costing USCe the 2.7 million bucks. He's being paid by people who voluntarily agreed to pay him that money.
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 26, 2024, 11:43 AM
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It appears you’re referring to USCjr.s QB — Sellers. The answer is yes. He’s a likely Heisman front runner next season if their team has a pulse. Wins and Success bring in revenue. $2.7M is a steal TBH.
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Clemson Icon [24083]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 26, 2024, 3:55 PM
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🤣🤣🤣
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 26, 2024, 1:56 PM
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I am fine with them earning all the “true” NIL $$ possible, and even receiving an increased stipend per athlete. It’s the “collectives” that I oppose.
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 26, 2024, 2:06 PM
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I would rather pay $2.7m for sellers who single handily beat us…than $11.5m for dabo who didn’t beat one team w a pulse all year🤦♂️
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Clemson Icon [24083]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 26, 2024, 3:56 PM
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You are a coot so of course you would!!
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Oculus Spirit [41037]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
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Dec 26, 2024, 2:19 PM
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Too bad Bluffton is gone. He could clear this up for everyone.
To your ?. No, not even close. Some of these guys won’t sniff the NFL. Better get it while they can.
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Orange Phenom [14184]
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Almost certainly. NFL QBs are making 30-60mil/year
Dec 26, 2024, 4:13 PM
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College QBs will obviously be worth less, but you're talking about less than 10% of a bottom tier NFL QB and less than 5% of the top guys.
Texas reported 183mil in football revenue last year. That's about 1/3 of an NFL franchise revenue (per Google anyway). With that type of money coming in at the top programs, I don't think you can argue a top QB isnt worth even 5% of a top NFL QB. There's not a large enough revenue discrepancy to justify that large of "salary" difference IMO.
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Game Changer [1994]
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Re: Is any college football player worth 2.7 million?
Dec 26, 2024, 4:17 PM
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I’ll piggy back what iv been asking since this all started to get out of hand… how is this worth determined, as in what’s in it for these donors to give this and what is the actual ROI?? Bc look at a guy like Travis Hunter or the Duke qb… what are we paying all that money for to see 9 wins? Bc to have that big of an impact you need like 5 special players I mean Colorado didn’t even make the playoff … just crazy questions I have about how long this can actually last .
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