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Paw Master [16250]
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A lot of anti-DOGE posts on here reek of fear.
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Feb 16, 2025, 1:58 PM
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I’m not saying you have to like the style of these men, and of course there’s plenty of reasons to raise concerns about approach or targets etc. but posts or articles about how “DOGE hasn’t actually saved a dime” seems like just fear of a Trump success. Which I get, but call it what it is. Some people loath the idea that Trump/Musk will actually achieve something that politicians have paid lip service to every four years for decades…adding true accountability and cost cutting to the federal government. How else do you explain the opposition high-fiving about an effort to reduce costs and eliminate waste FAILING…less than a month into an administration?
I am very hopeful that the “a billion here, a billion there…pretty soon you’re talking g about real money” approach has an impact…and make no mistake, if they can reduce the budget just a small percentage by eliminating random social spending in other countries, I am going to be happy. Not to mention, similar to the strong rhetoric about illegal immigration, just setting a culture of zero tolerance dissuades the behavior going forward. Musk identifying and publicly shaming horrible spending will give a politician pause before they think they can hide a pet project in a big spending bill, or a bureaucrat spends a billion dollars on a parade on Thailand because they have the money in their budget and no one will tell them “no.”
Musk has already spoken about reforms that have to go into place to reduce these things going forward. That would be a win. The new Sec of Defense has said he welcomes DOGE into the Pentagon. That would, of course, be a huge win.
As Americans, I think we all applaud waste reduction. Trump and Musk look to be doing it with a machete instead of a scalpel, but scalpel’s haven’t worked. We are where we are and at this point, a machete is probably called for, even though it will no doubt hit some things that are truly valuable or sensible. It’s our fault for not reining it in decades ago.
Anyway, I think the Trump opposition has plenty of other opportunities to position themselves as an attractive alternative to Trump, and I think fighting broadly against DOGE’s efforts probably hurts them way more than helps them.
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Re: A lot of anti-DOGE posts on here reek of fear.
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I agree. I think people should wait and see how it all shakes out in the end. Let's see. We won't even know for many more months what the positives and negatives are. My gut is that he is on to something, but it will need to fine tuned as we go.
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Firing the people that safeguard our nuclear stockpile was smart AF.***
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Feb 16, 2025, 2:06 PM
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Paw Master [16250]
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So what going on? Is our nuclear arsenal just sitting in an unlocked
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facility with the doors open and no one standing there?
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Re: So what going on? Is our nuclear arsenal just sitting in an unlocked
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Exactly. It's not. It's just hype. It's all resolved already I am sure.
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Ah. And see, I take that as a testament TO competence.
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Feb 16, 2025, 2:26 PM
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Like I said, unfortunately we are at the point where a machete is needed. And that will create issues. If they were able to quickly identify an error and rectify it, that shows alertness, flexibility and the fact that their egos won’t get in the way of correcting a mistake. I’m glad you pointed it out because it gives me more faith in this process.
By the way, if they couldn’t find contact information for an “essential worker” a week after they fired them, that is a massive issue of the federal government. No employer I’ve ever worked for couldn’t find me a week after parting ways, and I doubt they thought I was essential. I definitely wasn’t guarding our nuclear arsenal.
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Valley Legend [12478]
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There is a right way and a wrong way. Twitter biching about things you dont
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Feb 16, 2025, 2:32 PM
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and singling out employees putting them in danger from you shid head MAGAs is the wrong way to do it. Conduct an accounting audit. Cut with a scalpel not a dull rusty machete. And it just phukkin’ stupid that people cheer on incompetence, cruelty, and idiocy.
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Paw Master [16250]
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Yeah, agree to disagree on the machete/scalpel thing.
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Feb 16, 2025, 2:56 PM
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Like I said, I think that ship has sailed. The scalpel approach has been something “sensible” politicians have spoken to for years. It has solved nothing and we are a mess.
Also like I said, you can certainly take issue with their style.
You can also complain about them singling out the leaders of these orgs. I’m not sure what specifically you’re referring to but as far as I know, anyone that has been singled out by Musk or Trump for wasteful spending is 1) fired (and therefore not really a target) or 2) not the target of two assassination attempts. So this narrative of Trump’s wacko followers being dangerous or Trump’s rhetoric putting people in danger is a bit hypocritical.
Certainly agree with you with the people who respond to helpful programs being shut down with a cruel “f them” response. Callous. Even if I support eliminating the program, I certainly don’t celebrate that it leaves people in need.
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You can still remove a large amount of flesh with a scalpel. The patient
Feb 16, 2025, 4:31 PM
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is less likely to die with cleaner cuts and a sharper instrument.
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Sing the praises of Dems spending cuts...yeh, c'mon***
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Slick Willie was pretty good at it. Cmon.***
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Re: Slick Willie was pretty good at it. Cmon.***
Feb 17, 2025, 7:32 PM
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He didn’t make a meaningful dent in the govt’s wasteful spending, and he didn’t remove many of the people that were doing the wasting in the first place.
So of course, as usual, the Bill Clinton fan club partisan frantically criticize a president (as long as the target of the criticism is Trump) for making vast improvements upon what Clinton and Obama bragged that they would do.
Democrat DOGE #1 - they were doing the same thing as Trump DOGE, except that they hardly got anything done.
https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1890817980289712613
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Dem DOGE #2 was either inefficient or insincere in its execution.
Trump DOGE is efficient and sincere.
https://x.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1891551070121492965
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Don’t feel too bad about yourself. It’s hard for most people to admit that 5hey are wrong.
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In what way is the USA defined as
Feb 16, 2025, 6:26 PM
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“ a mess”. The blow everything up approach is worth a shot for a country like Argentina that is trying it because they had the world’s worst inflation and worst issues.
But the USA is still more stable and in better standing than pretty much the whole world. Why does it make sense to take a sledgehammer to that?
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Call it a mess or dont. Doesnt matter.
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If you think our ongoing deficit spending, national debt and uncontrolled expenditures should not be considered a “mess”, that’s fine. I think it is, but regardless, my point is that politicians have talked about it for decades and done nothing to actually fix it. Both parties, mind you. I personally would like to see us twin it in and be fiscally responsible BEFORE we are Argentina.
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Raising the debt limit by $4 Trillion dollars should give you
Feb 16, 2025, 8:24 PM
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some indication that cutting the deficit is not the goal here.
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Re: Raising the debt limit by $4 Trillion dollars should give you
Feb 17, 2025, 7:35 PM
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Silly reasoning.
‘Since Trump wants to raise the debt ceiling, then there’s no point in sincerely and effectively cutting vast amounts of wasteful spending.’
Neither Obama nor Biden cut a thing, but both spent wildly.
I can see why you liked the Obama and Biden approaches better.
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Wait... wut?
Feb 17, 2025, 7:47 PM
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You think mass firings of people who oversee our nuclear arsenal and then realizing you ###### up but then couldn't figure out how to get them back is a testament to competence?
No. You're trying way to hard to spin this to defend your OP.
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Paw Master [16250]
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Oh yeah, for sure. If you accept the premise that any real impact to wasteful
Feb 17, 2025, 9:13 PM
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spending at this point is going to be a lot more machete than scalpel (and I realize right away that you don’t…which is fine…not trying to get you to agree…just explaining the thinking), then quickly identifying a mistake and taking actions to rectify it shows flexibility, humility and quick thinking.
As an aside, the article posted in here about that situation said that the people fired were all in a probationary period…so hired in the past two years. Does anyone wonder why firing people that early into a role would constitute a serious national security risk? I’m curious.
And not being able to find them…I’m sorry, that’s insane, and I don’t blame the people who fired them. How can any employee, let alone someone who is apparently valuable enough to be considered a national security risk when fired, have no point of contact on their file other than their assigned work email? I blame that on the previous administration (who obviously hired them if it was within the past two years). That’s some pretty awful documentation.
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Tiger Titan [47689]
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A machete approach is never a good idea for anything
Feb 18, 2025, 8:18 AM
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But especially when it's clear that those involved aren't doing this out of any altruism or goal to make America better. You already know through your own admission that Trump can't be trusted. Elon is a proven liar and possibly a sociopath.
There's no competence involved when you have mass firings of essential people who protect our nukes.
You're also missing a key point in all of this: What Elon is doing is most likely illegal and will get overturned, but it will take costly court battles to undo it.
So the end game is that all those jobs get put back in place at the increased cost of taxpayers and massive security breaches.
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Sir, if a "Machete approach" was never a good thing...
Feb 18, 2025, 9:40 AM
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...they wouldn't have invented machetes.
It is true that Trump can't be trusted. It is true that he has lied. Just like Joe Biden, who masked obvious dementia while he asked for my vote to have a second term as leader of the free world. Just like Kamala Harris who told us Joe Biden was razor sharp as his VP. Lies of the highest magnitude. Lies that would have either had them propping up a senile for four years while someone we have never seen sets an agenda and decides policy, or that would have seen the intentional removal of him from office after the election in what can straight-faced be called a coup. But that doesn't mean everything they do is deceitful, or has some malicious intent.
We'll see if it is legal or not. I don't pretend to know and certainly I hope it is legal. If, on the whole, the courts uphold that he is operating within the limits of the law by cancelling contracts and reducing the size of Executive Branch roles, I have no doubt you'll be on here to wag your finger at all the Democrats who tried to limit his efforts through mountains of unsubstantiated lawsuits, costing the tax payers millions in an effort to stop a man from eliminating waste from the federal government.
Anyway, back to my original point...if someone says that a three week old effort to reduce waste in the federal government is a failure, I think they are just *wanting* it to fail. Not because they love government waste...I may joke about that but obviously no one does. But they don't want *these* men to be the ones to fix it. I know...Republicans do it too. No one wants to see the other side's approach validated, even if it will help us all in the long term.
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This is only one example of the dumbfuckery. Trust me,
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Feb 16, 2025, 2:33 PM
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It’s trump, he does everything in a ham fisted way.
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Re: This is only one example of the dumbfuckery. Trust me,
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At least he trying a new approach
You people that think trying the same crap over and over again will magically work are nuts
And you people that think there isn’t a problem to fix and that we can keep this wasteful deficit spending up are total tards
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Dont pretend to care about the deficit.
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Feb 16, 2025, 9:42 PM
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The guy you worship added a record level to the deficit, and is planning to add much more to it, trying to raise the ceiling by $4T.
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Re: Dont pretend to care about the deficit.
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SMH.
If he didn't you'd be b|itching that he shut down the gubment and you can't get your snap card refilled.
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Re: Dont pretend to care about the deficit.
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So, IMO, you prefer an administration that does nothing about government waste -and- spends wildly vs an administration that is going to cut vast amounts of government waste -and spends wildly.
I admire your honesty on this one.
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does that even make sense to you at all
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seriously you don't managers have any way to contact people that worked for them a week ago? I know you read it on the internet, but sometimes you have to think a bit. Also the only people that were let go were new hires. Think a bit, and then cry if you must.
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If they were new and non-essential, why did they hire them back when
Feb 16, 2025, 5:48 PM
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they realized they effed up? With work emails canceled, they had difficulty tracking them down. It’s what was reported.
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Re: If they were new and non-essential, why did they hire them back when
Feb 17, 2025, 7:45 PM
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Trump f’d up on the nuclear arsenal firings, and has already made efforts to fix it.
Those who are familiar with how a well known business addresses mistakes (as soon as the mistakes are recognized) is to work immediately and vigorously to fix the mistakes.
Those who have never worked in an efficient private business -or- have spent their lives working in a bureaucracy laden public sector job struggle to comprehend the speed with which big mistakes are even recognized, much less understanding how recognizable mistakes get fixed quickly.
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Re: Firing the people that safeguard our nuclear stockpile was smart AF.***
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I didn't say there aren't blunders or hiccups, but I am saying we won't know the end results as a whole for a long time. That nuclear thing will be worked out with little problems in the end.. it's more of a story than an actual disaster in the end is what I imagine.
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WT F does that mean?
Feb 18, 2025, 5:32 PM
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Does that mean the devil is winning or losing this week?
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Valley Legend [12478]
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Nothing to fear from unqualified bumbling
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idiots dismantling random parts of government they don’t like while being tweet-cheered on Xitter by pathetic wannabe Nazi cheerleaders that wilt with the first punch to the nose.
You wanna cut waste, then do the accounting, don’t be afraid of what you find.
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Re: Nothing to fear from unqualified bumbling
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Re: A lot of anti-DOGE posts on here reek of fear.
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Won't even waste reading your entire post. Is there waste in gov, yes, are all fed employees lazy and don't do anything, no. This about revenge and destroying democracy. When he comes for you, your tune will change, unless you're a million/billionaire then you're safe
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Re: A lot of anti-DOGE posts on here reek of fear.
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I am not even remotely worried about him coming for me. I think most of this talk is just paranoia and hype abroad. A this moment my problem with Trump is how he is siding with Russia over our allies. He bashed our allies and is in his hands and knees for Putin. Putin owns him.
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Paw Master [16250]
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I think you and I are very aligned in our appraisal of Trumps actions.
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His approach to foreign policy is very troubling. His rhetoric about Ukraine worries me.
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If nothing else its lifting the curtain.
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on funding proxy wars, media manipulation and manipulation of foreign elections.
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Re: If nothing else its lifting the curtain.
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Not really. He has no idea what he is doing. He is winging it. He gets his intelligence reports from the media. He gets his info the way you do. Batshyatt crazy sources and he quotes them. He is winging it.
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Wrong.***
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Tremendous argument; you win***
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Re: If nothing else its lifting the curtain.
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Feb 17, 2025, 7:53 PM
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Trump references public sources of information for making arguments / explanations for foreign policy directions that are targeted for the general public.
That’s the way that Obama, GWB, Clinton, GHWB, Reagan, Carter, etc etc etc did it. Biden’s handlers attempted to do the same thing, but couldn’t muzzle Biden when he was making public appearances; Biden thus occasionally blabbed publicly about ‘insider’ matters which should not have been said publicly.
Trump simply has far more public sources of information from which to reference when ‘explaining’ (I.e., giving the public something with which to occupy themselves) foreign policy to the public.
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Sounds like a rationalization of a haphazard process
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Cost savings initiatives and work force reductions occur in the private sector on a routine basis. These initiatives can be well planned and executed without causing a loss of productivity, critical services or retention of high performing staff. It’s ludicrous to eliminate less tenured or offer 9 month buy outs that could result in the loss of most talented employees. Positions within the organization at all levels and performance of the individual employee should be the determining factors in workforce reduction. Occasionally entire operations have to be shuttered in which case all employees in a given operation may be impacted.
The excuse for using a machete is weak sauce. Any work force reduction sting from a human relations perspective. Being in a leadership position for these type of organizational changes, they can be implemented with compassion and preserve the dignity and self respect of the impacted employees.
Regarding contract services, just looking at the vendor or one line description of the contract doesn’t necessarily indicate the full scope of services and the value to the organization. There’s no issue with flagging contracts for analysis and cost reduction without prejudice regarding value.
The real work is doing the analysis of all cost saving opportunities. Then a plan that reduces costs, increases productivity / improves critical essential services and meets organizational objectives should be developed and implemented. I would be impressed by a more professional approach as opposed to an egomaniac wielding a machete. The consequences of mistakes will impact people and their wellbeing.
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Paw Master [16250]
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Sounds like a rationalization of a haphazard process
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Well…yeah. I thought that was pretty obviously what I was doing.
Sorry but there’s a profound difference between cost cutting in a private company that is trying to hit a metric to satisfy Wall Street analysts or maintain a bottom line in a bad year, versus a political behemoth of an organization that can LITERALLY print its own money. As I said, these thoughtful approaches you describe…are you of the opinion that no one has ever tried to do that over the decades of run away deficits? How’d that work out. Akin to the “if they were the founders of Facebook they would have founded Facebook”, if thoughtful, focused analysis of costs and projects would result in cost reductions, we would have had cost reductions. But if even a portion of the projects described by Musk exist, that clearly didn’t work. This current approach…if we are to believe the gnashing of teeth…is having an impact.
But really, I shouldn’t try to convince anyone that this is a win…time will tell. And I already said that we can certainly quibble about the approach. I’m just glad someone is taking on this task with zeal and apparent impact. My main point is that these “ha ha, Musk is a moron and actually isn’t having any impact” comments/posts/articles are somewhat laughable. It hasn’t even been a month and people are high fiving that Musk is a failure at balancing the federal budget. Anyone in that camp should really take a hard look at what’s motivating that stance.
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Tiger Titan [47689]
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The fear is not over the what, but the how
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And many of you continue to ignore the problems with the how.
I don't know how else to explain that giving a private entity with no oversight or accountability complete and unfettered access to our government institutions and all of personal data is scary and sets a dangerous precedent. And couple it with the fact that he's hiring bad people who are barely out of high school to help.
Cuts need to be made. There are right ways to do it. If anyone is okay with Trump's or Musk's approach, they've either committed to the dictatorship or are simply not paying enough attention to this matter.
And no, it's not saving us money. It never was about saving money.
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Paw Master [16250]
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What was it about?***
Feb 17, 2025, 3:27 PM
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Tiger Titan [47689]
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Re: What was it about?***
Feb 17, 2025, 7:04 PM
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Dismantling potential roadblocks to Trump's authoritarian agenda and getting agencies that posed a threat to Musk out of the way.
It's a fool's game thinking these two men have altruistic purposes to benefit Americans.
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Re: What was it about?***
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Why, when Biden knew that the jig was up after Nov 6th, did he embark upon a spending frenzy that lasted through 11:59 PM on January 19th?
Doing so amplified Trump’s imprimatur to go full ‘DOGE style’ on those agencies which you are so frantic to protect from cost reductions.
Perhaps you knew something that the Biden administration didn’t know?
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Tiger Titan [47689]
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I dont know why a man with dementia did what he did.
Feb 17, 2025, 8:01 PM
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I only know how crooks behave.
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Clemson Icon [27325]
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You should... Losing that NGO stipend?***
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Clemson Conqueror [11249]
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Re: Can't rationalize with the maga cult.***
Feb 17, 2025, 7:59 PM
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I dunno. You have impressive skills in rationalizing.
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Orange Elite [5223]
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This can't be a real post when the republican budget proposal
Feb 17, 2025, 8:32 PM
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Involves increasing the national debt by 4 trillion dollars.
There isn't any concern of this being a success, we all know it's a failure. The concern is that you guys are the ones being pig butchered and don't even realize it.
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Paw Master [16250]
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Link to story about the GOP budget proposal? Im not aware.
Feb 17, 2025, 8:55 PM
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Thanks.
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Paw Master [16250]
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Nevermind. I found it. Please correct any errors you find as I only read one
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Article.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/13/house-republicans-approve-budget-00204230
First, the article states:
“ The budget measure would allow the House’s tax panel to come up with tax cuts that increase the deficit by up to $4.5 trillion over a decade, while ordering other committees to cut enough from mandatory spending programs to reduce the deficit by $1.5 trillion.”
Is that number right? Where did you get $4 trillion? And why did you leave off “over a decade”? I feel like that’s important context.
So, net $3 trillion over a decade? Or, to simplify, $300 billion a year in deficit? Good? No. Better than the $1.7 trillion deficit in 2023 and $1.83 trillion deficit in 2024? I…think…so?
Does anyone else think the “over ten years” thing is ridiculous? Two term presidents don’t get that much time. The budget will be set ten times in a decade. Tax laws can be changed a thousand times.
Second, DOGE is about cost cutting and waste reduction, not tax cutting. My OP was about DOGE, not overall Republican budget policy.
Third, I neglected to comment on your last paragraph. I can’t believe anyone thinks they can be taken seriously when they declare a major effort to reduce waste a “failure” after three weeks. Really…none of you have the self awareness to be embarrassed by such proclamations? I’m not declaring it a success after three weeks. I just see signs of “this time it’s different” so I’m optimistic. But, you know, keep cheering for Government Waste, if that’s the hill you want to die on. Go team.
We will see how it goes, but people might want to stop laughing at Musk. I feel like the guy gets mocked at every interval, and then just wins. Start a stand alone all-electric vehicle company? Ridiculous. Launch a rocket into space and CATCH IT!?! Sci-fi. Overpay for Twitter and cut 80% of the work force? Ha ha. What a moron. It only got him…the President he wants. The guy has rattled more cages in three weeks than any politician has in 40 years. It certainly could fall flat but people might want to stop underestimating a man who became the richest man in the world by creating/owning companies that innovate.
And finally, as for the “you’re the ones being pig butchered”…okay, enough. We’re all quite bored with the “you’re don’t see it and I can’t explain it to you.” If you can’t explain it, it’s because you don’t see it and you want to fear-monger. Otherwise please just make a point instead of vague “you’ll see…you have no idea” nonsense.
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Paw Master [16250]
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Sigh...I'm sorry...I was wrong.
Feb 18, 2025, 3:03 PM
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I misread the deficit projects...it looks to be a $3 trillion ADDITION to the federal deficit over ten years...so an increase of $300 billion per year (averaged) to the deficit.
No bueno. Hopefully that's wrong or we course correct. These deficits are out of control and increasing them...short of, say, a significant war or a pandemic...is really a non-starter. We just can't afford it.
But regardless, cost cutting is what DOGE is about. They aren't involved in setting tax rates, which is what this analysis is saying will kick us in the crotch.
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Orange Elite [5223]
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The real problem is the projections are always artificially low
Feb 18, 2025, 6:02 PM
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to help promote passing the bill.
So far DOGE has just been about propaganda. They continue to proven wrong and wrong again with the claims they're making.
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I don't believe that is true...
Feb 19, 2025, 8:25 AM
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especially in regards to taxes and revenue.
The CBO estimate on the TCJA in 2017 under-estimated revenue by almost $1TT over a period (and I don't remember what that period was to be honest).
The reason the revenue models almost always under-estimate revenue over a period is that the CBO uses largely static models that don't account for GDP growth/stimulus effect of tax cuts.
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All-In [11047]
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Just glancing at the replies - folks seem to be saying "There's a right way to
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Feb 18, 2025, 10:35 AM
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make cuts and this ain't it". That is a sentiment that I agree with. BUT - no one has ever really attempted to do it the "right way" for very long. Lots of talk, but no "do".
Funding has been doled out the "wrong way" for a long time. So - I'm semi-OK with them trying to do something, even if it is the "wrong way".
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Tiger Titan [47689]
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Then why can't they be transparent about it...
Feb 18, 2025, 3:31 PM
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Instead of just quoting a bunch of shocking numbers but then refusing to show us actual documentation?
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Paw Master [16250]
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In fairness, you are holding DOGE to a significantly higher standard than I
Feb 18, 2025, 3:59 PM
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think you might be holding any other political organization.
https://www.doge.gov/savings
Their website is a straight forward listing of terminated contracts. It is admittedly NOT fully populated and I certainly can't speak to everything on it, but can you seriously claim that any government organization...ever...would have had that up in running, with even partial data...in less than a month!?!
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Tiger Titan [47689]
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I'm holding it to the same standard
Feb 18, 2025, 4:25 PM
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Because the government agencies are required to disclose this financial information if requested.
That website you linked is still just DOGE making claims without proof. Every time they're asked for actual documentation and evidence, we're met with "just trust us".
Doesn't that seem just a little suspicious to you?
Also, that's a ###### website for a bunch of supposed computer geniuses.
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Paw Master [16250]
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I would be shocked if DOGE is required to disclose contacts of
Feb 18, 2025, 6:26 PM
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other departments’ contracts that it has cancelled by any law. But maybe?
If agencies are required to provide information about contracts they’ve cancelled, maybe you can link me to some examples where a different group in the government has done so to your satisfaction within a month of the termination?
Did they really respond with “just trust us”?, or that they are working to provide additional detail?
I mean, what exactly is your claim? Is the link on their site NOT a government repository of contracts?
https://www.fpds.gov/common/jsp/LaunchWebPage.jsp?command=execute&requestid=239452155&version=1.5
Are you claiming that the contracts don’t exist? Or that Doge is lying about terminating them?
Finally…yes, that is a bad website design. They must have terminated the contract for web designer services. (Haaaa?)
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Tiger Titan [47689]
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Re: I would be shocked if DOGE is required to disclose contacts of
Feb 19, 2025, 7:25 AM
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If agencies are required to provide information about contracts they’ve cancelled, maybe you can link me to some examples where a different group in the government has done so to your satisfaction within a month of the termination?
This is some basic FOIA stuff if the public wants access to it.
Did they really respond with “just trust us”?, or that they are working to provide additional detail?
I mean, what exactly is your claim? Is the link on their site NOT a government repository of contracts?
My claim is the DOGE is intentionally avoiding transparency because they know they are lying and that targeting government waste isn't their actual goal.
https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-donald-trump-doge-secrecy-68a66370cbc67c457e0a1c6edb08c5ef
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Game Changer [2093]
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Re: A lot of anti-DOGE posts on here reek of fear.
Feb 18, 2025, 6:12 PM
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anti-DOGE Is not fear or TDS, it’s simply sensible people that know Trump has been a con artist and a dirtbag for the past 50 years.
Myself and a lot of others are just not as gullible as Trumpers. We expect more of the same. Lots of talk. Lots of press. Lots of claims. Everything is the biggest. Everything is the best. But the emperor ain’t got no clothes.
No fear here. Certainly amused by Trumpers.
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