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All-TigerNet [11992]
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Mah spiracy!!!!***
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Re: In considering whether or not to get the vax
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All-TigerNet [11992]
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Some people never grow up.***
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Jan 25, 2023, 10:13 AM
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yeah, like people who make important medical decisions
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Jan 25, 2023, 10:22 AM
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based on twitter
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All-TigerNet [11992]
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You mean based on a means of transferring information?
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:03 AM
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Like electronic media, sound waves, or paper?
Twitter is just a convenient means to communicate information. It is not the source.
When you grow up you may understand this.
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Re: You mean based on a means of transferring information?
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:04 AM
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Twitter is just a convenient means to communicate informationwords. It is not the source.
Because what you posted isn't information. Information informs.
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All-TigerNet [11992]
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So Pete McCullough
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:10 AM
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doesn't inform?
You must have picked up a medical degree while I wasn't looking.
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Nah. Just a Ph.D. in spotting bull ####.
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:13 AM
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McCullough has been busted for spreading COVID falsehoods and even sued by one company for trying to attach their name to it. He has repeatedly spread conspiracy theories.
But by all means, believe them and this #### waffle's Twitter account.
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All-TigerNet [11992]
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He's not wrong.
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:17 AM
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Please show if you have any evidence to contradict.
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He is.
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:22 AM
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And tell me what evidence you would accept that would change your mind on this. Is your mind capable of being changed on this topic?
If no, we'll save each other time.
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All-TigerNet [11992]
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You could show
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:26 AM
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that what he asserts about the persistence of spike proteins is incorrect. That was the thrust of the relevance between his comments and the autopsy quote. A guy who hadn't had COVID had the adverse effect attributable to the vax.
What Tiggity posted doesn't contradict any of that.
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So you're telling me...
Jan 25, 2023, 11:32 AM
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That if I show you "that what he asserts about the persistence of spike proteins is incorrect. That was the thrust of the relevance between his comments and the autopsy quote. A guy who hadn't had COVID had the adverse effect attributable to the vax," you'll change your mind and publicly admit you were wrong?
And what sources are off limits in this discussion?
Because you also know that it's medical professionals who are saying McCullough is wrong, right?
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All-TigerNet [11992]
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I know that it is medical professionals
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:34 AM
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who said you wouldn't get COVID if you got the vax.
Do you believe your favored medical professionals are incapable of being mistaken?
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All-In [42344]
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So again...
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:35 AM
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Which source would you accept as credible to refute McCullough that would change your mind on this?
Do you believe your favored medical professionals are incapable of being mistaken?
Do you believe McCullough is?
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All-TigerNet [11992]
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I believe he
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:38 AM
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is more credible than most on this issue.
I also know the 'settled science' cult is strong on the COVID debate.
Do you believe there's financial and career risk to scientists who buck the conventional wisdom and, conversely benefit to those who tout the prevailing narrative?
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Why are you dodging that source question?
Jan 25, 2023, 11:43 AM
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Is anything capable of changing your mind?
I believe he is more credible than most on this issue.
What about all the doctors with similar credentials who disagree with him? Why aren't they?
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I'm happy to see
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:47 AM
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what you find.
That would look like an actual discussion.
We could have started there.
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I'm not going to look up stuff for you
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:50 AM
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If your mind is already cemented and you're going to write off any doctor who disagrees with him as "scared to stand up to the mob" or whatever or you "LOL (insert source you don't like)," which you have a long history of doing.
It seems you've already formulated your views that vaccines cause heart defects (you posted a thread about kids and the vaccine a few days ago; I posted a link that debunked it and you ran away) and nothing is going to change that. So carry on and maybe jump in on the Damar Hamlin conspiracies, too.
Birds aren't real.
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All-TigerNet [11992]
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Sounds like
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:54 AM
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you already have your mind made up and are writing off anything that doesn't agree.
How would you say the volume of VAERS reports of COVID vax injuries compares to the volume of reports of other vaccines?
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Re: I'm not going to look up stuff for you
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Jan 25, 2023, 7:08 PM
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Dear RPMcMurphy® and Catahoula®.
The normal debate protocol is that when a poster makes his first claim about information, and then gets called to produce info to support that claim, that putting up or slinking away is the proper next step for the one that failed to ‘put up’ when asked to do so.
Cat, it’s your turn to put up or shut up … each time you try to divert the thread away from your vacuous assertion only makes your position more pathetic.
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Like you slinking away after your claim that a retired FBI
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Jan 25, 2023, 7:29 PM
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agent who was arrested for his violation of Russian sanctions was a “conspirator” involved in the Trump probe?
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Re: Like you slinking away after your claim that a retired FBI
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Jan 25, 2023, 6:08 PM
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I’ll re-link it to you in another post.
BTW, your lefty buddy went on a tedious back-and forth while refuting RPMurphy’ original post cut-and-paste by attacking Peter McCullough’s medical credentials.
When your lefty buddy was challenged to provide anything other than his own blather, your buddy just tap-danced and deflected. He clearly had the time to attempt to ‘win,’ but was only able to prove that he had nothing.
OK, I’ll repost my links to you in via a new post.
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Accidentally TU this dumb post so enjoy a freebie.***
Jan 26, 2023, 7:56 AM
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Thanks for the rules refresher...
Jan 26, 2023, 7:55 AM
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From a guy who joined a year ago to two guys who have been here 20+ years, and from a guy who repeatedly runs away from his threads when he gets torched because someone asks for proof of his claims and he can't provide it.
I'm not going to hunt down information for Randall because he's already made it clear he won't accept anything I give him. So it's a waste of time. That's how a debate ends, son.
And besides, plenty of others, especially Spoon and Tiggity, have already destroyed his OP.
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Nah, man, my opinion holds NO WAIT.***
Jan 25, 2023, 12:06 PM
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^^^buttchugs supplements from infowars.com***
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Hate to break the news to you but
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Jan 25, 2023, 10:19 AM
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You will get your spike, either way. If you get a vaccine and it stays with you, or the virus without a vaccine...it still stays with you. Get a vaccine, and then the virus, doesn't matter.
Full study: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05542-ySARS-CoV-2 infection and persistence in the human body and brain at autopsy - Nature Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is known to cause multi-organ dysfunction1–3 during acute infection with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), with some patients experiencing prolonged symptoms, termed post-acute sequelae of SARS-CoV-2 (refs. 4,5). However, the burden of infection outside the respiratory tract and time to viral clearance are not well characterized, particularly in the brain3,6–14. Here we carried out complete autopsies on 44 patients who died with COVID-19, with extensive sampling of the central nervous system in 11 of these patients, to map and quantify the distribution, replication and cell-type specificity of SARS-CoV-2 across the human body, including the brain, from acute infection to more than seven months following symptom onset. We show that SARS-CoV-2 is widely distributed, predominantly among patients who died with severe COVID-19, and that virus replication is present in multiple respiratory and non-respiratory tissues, including the brain, early in infection. Further, we detected persistent SARS-CoV-2 RNA in multiple anatomic sites, including throughout the brain, as late as 230 days following symptom onset in one case. Despite extensive distribution of SARS-CoV-2 RNA throughout the body, we observed little evidence of inflammation or direct viral cytopathology outside the respiratory tract. Our data indicate that in some patients SARS-CoV-2 can cause systemic infection and persist in the body for months. A study reports the distribution, replication and persistence of SARS-CoV-2 throughout the human body including in the brain at autopsy from acute infection to more than seven months following symptom onset.
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So you advocate repeated
Jan 25, 2023, 10:20 AM
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exposure then?
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Wouldn't a vax or booster be a repeat exposure?***
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Re: So you advocate repeated
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Tiggity: *Posts well-researched reply that completely refutes the OP."
RPM: "So you advocate something completely ridiculous that you didn't say at all because I have to straw man everything!"
C'mon.
Why do you have to straw man in almost every argument? It's ridiculous, everyone sees it, and it doesn't sway any opinions.
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Wrong.
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:04 AM
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Try again.
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Can someone, anyone, raise their hand if you posting
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Jan 25, 2023, 11:13 AM
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links from "NATURAL IMMUNITYFTW" Is changing anyone's mind?
I would bet money that she's went to Dealey plaza last year waiting for JFK to show up, and that at some point in the last 5 years sold essential oils and swore they mad her younger.
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Re: Can someone, anyone, raise their hand if you posting
Jan 25, 2023, 11:20 AM
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"I know the president of the hospital!!1!"***
Jan 25, 2023, 11:36 AM
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Nat. immunity via periodic exposure to <= 300 viral units?
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Jan 25, 2023, 8:07 PM
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You’re in over your head.
Tiggity opined that 97% of people have been either exposed to COVID-19 virus or to the vaccine.
In both categories, evidence of spike protein is found a long time after the exposure. It is not known that the spike protein (either via infection with COVID-19, or via the vax) will remain in the body forever.
To my limited understanding as a non-medical / non-pharma person is whether periodic exposure to ~ 300 airborne viral particles into the respiratory tract will create natural immunity without actually contracting the full blown disease.
(I had read elsewhere … and no, I don’t have a link and won’t spend the time to find my source again [but I think it was the CDC website] that the threshold for infection was ~ 300 viral particles via airborne vector.)
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I do this for you, not him.***
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Jan 25, 2023, 10:35 AM
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Nah, that's #########.
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For many reasons. Even if you trust that particular study, they sampled people who died while having a positive PCR test for covid. So if you sample them after death, sure you're going to get some more positive PCR results.
The point here is about long-term after effects.
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Re: In considering whether or not to get the vax
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Dr Peter McCullough- enough said
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"YOU'RE YOUR OWN BEST DOCTOR."
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Jan 25, 2023, 10:25 AM
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that about sums up all position of all the anti-vaxxers
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I hate to tell you guys, but most people aren't getting the
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booster. It's time to let go of your vaccine all the living things crusade.
Which does raise an important question, how many months does one get to go without a booster before becoming anti-vax? Many on here have said they aren't going to get another one, that should mean they get mocked now too right? 3
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I think there's a difference between...
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Someone saying, "I'm good" when it comes to the booster given the state of COVID now (kind of like flu vaccines) vs. these wing nut "Your heart is destroyed and all of you who got it are ######!" Twitter posts.
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No, no...Not to these lunatics. If you don't want the
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Jan 25, 2023, 10:48 AM
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vaccine you're killing grandma, anti science, and all of the other bad adjectives we can come up with. You also should lose your job, family, and life as you know it.
I always questioned the ultimate efficacy, and I ended up being right.
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Which lunatics? In this thread?
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Jan 25, 2023, 10:50 AM
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The OP was a wingnut bad science claim off of Twitter, and that's what's being addressed.
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Conservativealex, obviously soccerkrzy since he gave me a TD
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FBcoach was a big one on here for awhile. You know just as well as I do that those people were running rampant there for awhile. They were acting like full blown lunatics over it.
I'm frankly not surprised there's the same type of reaction from the other side of the coin. What is humorous is the total lack of self awareness it takes from many of the most maniacal vaccine pushers to turn around and mock those people over it. They acted the same way, if not crazier. At least they aren't promoting people losing access to healthcare, jobs, and every day life for getting it.
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I'm not one of them, my TD is because you're obviously
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derailing the point being made here and in turn are supporting her and the idiot RPMcMurphy.
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Unless if you think you are your own best doctor...then yeah
Jan 25, 2023, 10:56 AM
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you're an idiot too. But you don't think that.
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Look man, I love you. But what we're doing here is not
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talking facts, but mocking RPM so hard he deletes the thread. Again.
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HE'S A MAIL DOCTOR SO YOUR OPINION HAS NO WAIT
Jan 25, 2023, 3:24 PM
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Jesus Christ, you. You.
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First...
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I didn't realize we could see who TDs us until you just pointed it out. Oh man, T3Tiger ain't gonna like that.
Secondly, I mean, I kinda have to agree with soccrkrzy here that this feels like a thread derail attempt.
Bruh, RPM is wrong and he's employing his usual tactics. It's different than what you're saying, so I would clarify so you don't look like you're agreeing with him. Unless, of course, you do. But he posted complete nonsense.
This is the same guy last week who bragged that he knew the president of a hospital or something over COVID regulations and he was gonna do something about it.
Hey, you and I are on the same page that it's time to calm the #### down with the COVID regulation stuff; I personally feel like we beat this thing. I'm not planning to get a booster (I also think I might be one of the people immune to it). But he's peddling conspiracy bunk over heart issues.
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Wrong again.
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Having a bad day?
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Not yet, but the day is young
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By all means, keep doubling down on this little nutjob on Twitter and all she pushes. It's a great look.
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Even Tiggity
Jan 25, 2023, 11:14 AM
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didn't say the quote from the autopsy was untrue.
Do you assert that?
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Wait a second.......
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I may have misled you here. Actually McCullough did, but I think you missed something in my post with that autopsy study.
First of all, the tweet you posted was two people TALKING on a video. There is no study associated with this video of two people talking, even though they're talking about studies, there is no study in the tweet, or even in the replies. Red flag #1.
Second, the STUDY I posted, was from autopsies, but if you pay attention, the study looked for the N genes from covid, NOT THE SPIKE PROTEIN. The fact that the N gene (NOT THE SPIKE) is found in ALL of those places in the human body, indicates the virus (spike and all) infects and resides (intact) in those areas in the body. That would include the S genes. But they purposefully looked for N genes because that would indicate the persistence is NOT JUST THE SPIKE, but the complete virus. The spike does not replicate on its own. I'd expect you could find traces of the S genes in all of those places as well, but the fact they looked for the N genes means the were locating complete virus samples, not just spike genes. You can inject all the S genes you want into your arm in a vaccine, and no matter how many spike genes you get in the vaccine, NONE are going to produce a covid N gene, which was what was found in the autopsy study I posted. If you look for the S gene, you will likely find them in the same places as well, since the N gene already indicates a complete (NON-VACCINE) virus is present.
Anyway, that's why they look at the N genes. Seroprevalence studies also look for N genes because that indicates a natural vs. vaccine infection.
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There is an autopsy report.
Jan 26, 2023, 9:59 AM
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It's excerpted in the original tweet and linked in the next one or two.
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We need an autopsy report
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For the homicide spooneye® committed on you in this thread.
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That chick is kookoo
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I guess she's trying to save small pox for future generations or somethin'
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And yeah, I'm with you.
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I think I've heard all I really want to hear about Covid.
It may not be over, but it's over for me unless I catch it and die from it or somethin'.
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So my replying to somebody mocking "anti-vaxxers" was
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more of a derail than the post I replied to? Hey, if we're going to make fun of that group, let's clarify who they are. CA, would you consider Catahoula an antivaxxer now since he said he's not planning to get a booster?
I frankly don't know what to believe about any of it anymore, the propaganda on both sides is so thick it's hard to see the actual truth. We'll never know the real numbers. That said, we really don't know the effects of continuously vaccinating people with MRNA. It hasn't been out long enough to know, it historically has not gone well in animal trails...Which is not a conspiracy theory. If people want to get them, that's fine...but don't expect me to forget about all the "just don't give them access to healthcare, or they can just get fired if they don't want it" rhetoric that went around. Ffuck those people with a capital F.
Yes, we do agree on that. It's time for the covidians to go back in their hole and let the world move on.
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It’s become a religion
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Re: First...
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T3 has significantly slowed the thumbdowns since becoming public
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Re: Speaking of strawmen.
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Do you even know what that is?
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You don't seem to.
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It was a kids show in the 80s...
Jan 25, 2023, 11:33 AM
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That had a lot more sexual innuendos in than we realized at the time.
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Sad fact is the latest "bivalent" booster, offers only
Jan 25, 2023, 12:05 PM
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minimal protection. Below any traditional threshold where they would call it effective. That being said, older vaccines, AND older natural infections, offer near zero immunity to what's going around. Main reason I didn't get the updated vaccine. If you're older, I'd get the bivalent vaccine because (maybe) 10% effectiveness is 10% less chance of a hospital bed or worse. Of course that low effectiveness only lasts two months anyway. If you got the bivalent vaccine ASAP when it was released, it's essentially useless now, as is a prior infection, or older vaccines/booster.
That's what literally no one is talking about. There are three new variants this applies to, and it's what's going around SC right now.
If you're older, and got the BA.5 vaccine when it first came out, I'd consider getting another one. Or not. But if you're younger and healthy, it's not going to make much difference anyway.
And dangit.....
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.01.22.525079v1Waning Immunity Against XBB.1.5 Following Bivalent mRNA Boosters The SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant has continued to evolve. XBB is a recombinant between two BA.2 sublineages, XBB.1 includes the G252V mutation, and XBB.1.5 includes the G252V and F486P mutations. XBB.1.5 has rapidly increased in frequency and has become the dominant virus in New England. The bivalent mRNA vaccine boosters have been shown to increase neutralizing antibody (NAb) titers to multiple variants, but the durability of these responses remains to be determined. We assessed humoral and cellular immune responses in 30 participants who received the bivalent mRNA boosters and performed assays at baseline prior to boosting, at week 3 after boosting, and at month 3 after boosting. Our data demonstrate that XBB.1.5 substantially escapes NAb responses but not T cell responses after bivalent mRNA boosting. NAb titers to XBB.1 and XBB.1.5 were similar, suggesting that the F486P mutation confers greater transmissibility but not increased immune escape. By month 3, NAb titers to XBB.1 and XBB.1.5 declined essentially to baseline levels prior to boosting, while NAb titers to other variants declined less strikingly.
### Competing Interest Statement
The authors have declared no competing interest.
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I'm waiting to wake up dead any day***
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Oh Christ, that's an embarrassing source to quote.***
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McCullough is only the most published cardiologist ever
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but sure the government and big pharma have said he's bad now so you repeat it like a trained seal. Good job.
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You are not doing science. You are doing disinformation.***
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Do you do science?
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Does it feel good?
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No, and I don't pretend to.***
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Can you define misinformation?
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And show the misinformation in my post?
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I said disinformation. And here's what I meant by it.
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I'm referring to the deliberate use of bad information for the purpose of affecting public opinion and obscure the truth. (This is approximately the Merriam-Webster definition.)
Now to be clear, I am not necessarily blaming you for the "deliberate" part. There's a good chance you are merely deceived. I think you are an honest person. However, I don't think you're very knowledgeable about what you're posting. If you are, then I'll have many follow-up questions for you. (It's rare to have an opportunity to talk to a Covid expert.) Assuming you're not an expert, I expect the tweet you posted genuinely gave you pause (as you put it), but only because the tweet makes it sounds like the vaccines are scary harmful.
In answer to your second question (where is the disinformation): The disinformation is the "Natural Immunity" person tweeting about the "extensive damage" caused by Covid vaccines, with limited explanation or context, and with a screenshot of some unidentified text thrown in. This tweet neatly sums up a big problem with the "did my own research" crowd, which is a willingness to accept random tweets like this for no good reason other than it reinforces their fear.
Can we determine if it's true? Well, the tweet forces readers to google partial phrases from the quote. You have to manually type it into Google because the text was deliberately turned into an image file. Otherwise you can't determine where it came from and what it means. Without doing that, you wouldn't know (for instance) that this pertains to mRNA vaccines rather than the old type of vaccine (both are available). You also wouldn't know that the autopsy confirmed that the person died of Parkinson's Disease, not myocarditis or brain inflammation. And then it has a video purportedly of a doctor (unclear as to expertise in Covid) talking about the vaccine's effect on the human genome, which as far as I can tell was not mentioned at all in the quoted study. Which means the tweet is suggesting scientific findings that aren't there. And overall, non-experts are in a bad position to read and comprehend scientific articles, not to mention understanding their role in the overall science.
Now, let's look at the extent to which this could be seen as genuine data for making an informed decision about getting vaccinated. The answer is: it's not. But let's acknowledge something: all vaccines can have side effects, and Covid vaccines are no different. That's real, and anyone who pretends it can't have side effects is simply wrong. To make an informed decision with respect to those side effects, however, you have to consider the statistics as a whole. No one should ever, ever, ever, choose a treatment because of something that may have happened to someone one time. Instead, the question is about both (a) the chances and (b) the magnitude of harm in getting the treatment (in this case, a vaccine) vs. the chances and magnitude of harm in not getting the treatment (in this case, having Covid). And of course you should also consider the result of getting the vaccine and the disease, since that has happened to many people. All of this requires a large statistical sample and lots of data. Mere anecdotes are bound to confuse rather than inform.
So, in summary, your post contains disinformation because the author of the tweet is attempting to sway public opinion by (1) deliberately limiting information (converting it to an image, withholding the source), (2) presenting a partial paragraph from a scientific article which, even in presented in whole, would be difficult for a layperson to draw conclusions from, (3) linking together medical claims that do not appear connected in the source material, (4) presenting a video of someone who is not obviously an expert and does no explaining of the data, and (5) presenting an anecdote as important decision-making data (which it isn't).
That's a quick rundown of what I saw and there may be more to say, but my time is limited. And that's actually another important point about disinformation, which is that disinformation is so much easier to spread than it is to refute. I spent a lot of time putting together this response, and you can always just go find 20 more tweets making other claims that would then have to be separately run down and analyzed. Which means that you always find more and more disinformation and eventually you won't get refuted because people eventually run out of time, energy, and willpower.
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Someone call the #### fire department
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Absolutely torched.
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You're mistaken about a couple of things.
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The Twitter poster linked the autopsy study she excerpted in the next tweet or two. That undermines a good bit of your extensive critique.
Next, Pete McCullough is an expert. One of the most expert people in the world. He is in the video discussing the vax impacts.
You said "all vaccines can have side effects, and Covid vaccines are no different." But you can't support that assertion with data. That is the crux of the whole discussion - the COVID vaccine may well be very different in that regard, if volume and severity of side effects makes a difference and I think most would agree it does.
Sorry for typing "misinformation" instead of "disinformation".
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Re: You're mistaken about a couple of things.
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No need to apologize; I was just explaining why I wasn't defining the word you asked me to define. The words are similar except the "dis" is the more malicious version.
I went back to your first post, and when I click on your link it does not show me any link to the autopsy study. But I clicked around and found it, so yes, she does link it. Aside from the fact that some people (including me) will never see the link due to Twitter's format, I consider your response to counter my first two criticisms, which my 5-part summary labeled as (1) and (2).
Pete McCullough: I had never heard of this guy but I'm willing to believe he's an expert. Googling his name does not go well for him: looks like he's been spreading false propaganda for a while. (Random search results below.) He has promoted ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, neither of which are actual treatments. What leads you to think he's one of the most expert people in the world about Covid? I am willing to believe you if you can show why you think that.
Finally, you seem to agree with me that the data is what matters. But that means that you need to stop posting anecdotal evidence distributed via tweet, because that's not data. At best it's a datum, but it's not even that without context, i.e., as part of a larger data set.
Random McCullough links: https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/joe-rogan-interview-with-peter-mccullough-contains-multiple-false-and-unsubstantiated-claims-about-the-covid-19-pandemic-and-vaccines/Joe Rogan interview with Peter McCullough contains multiple false and unsubstantiated claims about the COVID-19 pandemic and vaccines To date, more than 241 million people in the U.S. have received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine. Clinical trials as well as the safety monitoring of COVID-19 vaccination campaigns provide overwhelming evidence that the vaccines’ benefits far outweigh their risks. There’s no evidence indicating that the amount of spike protein generated by mRNA vaccination is dangerous. The use of multiple doses of COVID-19 vaccines isn’t unusual or unprecedented; some childhood vaccines that have been used for decades also require four or more doses for complete immunization.
https://healthfeedback.org/authors/peter-mccullough/
https://abcnews.go.com/US/group-physicians-combats-misinformation-unproven-covid-19-treatments/story?id=83097330
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93936
https://www.examiner-enterprise.com/story/news/2021/10/06/doctor-fired-baylor-spreading-covid-19-misinformation-finds-supportive-crowd-bartlesville/5995698001/
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that's not a real board. its a dumping ground from the mange***
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Well, he's not wrong***
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If the hall monitor
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issues and edict and nobody cares, does he get to keep his Hall Monitor badge?
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If you post some trollbait that obviously riled you up
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but noboody else cares, does it matter?
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In two hours he's going to delete this thread.
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Just like he did the other one where he thought he was going to come into the Lunge a conquering hero for having an old-man meltdown at the doctor's office over a dang N95.
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96% are just making fun of you.***
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I'd vote for Willmo to be permanent hall monitor.***
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I'd vote for you.***
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Sure, but only because
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And because
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Re: And because
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If you're suggesting Willmo is a "militant busybody," I have to disagree. In any event, I rigged the election and Willmo has officially been elected hall monitor for life.
Sorry Willmo!
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Re: And because
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I totally regret getting it. Definitely wont get a booster***
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Why do you regret it?***
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Big Peen Syndrome. He's too big for all women now.
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I don't regret it. I got it the first week it was available
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So it probably actually did help. I haven't suffered any ill health from it that I know about.
But I'm getting old, so if I die tomorrow, I had a good run. And if I were still around to lay blame, I'd think the binge boozing, or boxes of girl scout cookies at one sitting, or sitting on my couch rather than moving prob had more time and availability to take me out than the shot.
I prob won't get any more boosters--not because of being scared of the technology, or clots that look like long red worms, or myocarditis, but the variants change so fast I think as soon as you get it, it's out of date, and prob useless.
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And...
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The anti-vax movement for COVID was strictly driven by ridiculous politics in their minds, and they know it but won't admit it.
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Not true.
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It may have aligned roughly with political divisions because of those sides' perceptions of the trustworthiness of several institutions, but that would have only been coincidental.
Too much lying by the man impacts trust in his assertions.
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Finally … Cat reveals ‘The Big Agenda’
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Now that you’re sufficiently worn down, you’ve slipped up and revealed your ‘Big Agenda.’
You deride the POLITICS of others as their underlying motivation for being anti-vaxers.
In so doing, you’ve unwittingly revealed that politics … not science … is the aspect of vaccines that you actually care about.
To the political zealot, everyone who doesn’t agree to the narrative to which your party ascribes as also being a political zealot.
Science schmience … why bother to consider that perspectives other than those promoted by your political party is worthy of consideration?
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It takes a lot of effort...
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To embarrass one's self more than RPMcMurphy did in this thread, but you've accomplished this admirably.
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Accidental TD
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Meant to reply.
I love that it is so important to you to declare victory.
You never refuted any of the assertions made here. You railed against the sources and misjudged loudly the motives of those who disagree, but you didn't show any evidence about anything.
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Let’s be honest, you were never going to get a vax.***
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I was definitely going to wait and see how it went.
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You are such a sniveling little liar.
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Jan 25, 2023, 12:48 PM
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Jeebus. Grow a pair sally and stand behind what you believe.
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110%er [7218]
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Re: You are such a sniveling little liar.
Jan 25, 2023, 8:58 PM
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Dear oh_its_JimmyHEYHEY®
to see that you’ve politicized a health decision.
With all of the back and forth about efficacy and safety of the vaccine, examples of misleading information from our should-always-be-trustworthy health agencies, and charlatans who make wild anti-vax / ‘the virus never existed’ statements, there is legitimate cause for any thinking individual to be circumspect on the ‘get it or not’ decision.
This is no trivial matter.
Good for RPMcMurphy® to publicly share his concerns … at the very least, the people considering the boosters have more to think about.
Have a good evening.
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lol. yeah...
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Jan 25, 2023, 9:17 PM
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no.
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As soon as Trump told you not to you made up your mind.
Jan 25, 2023, 5:06 PM
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Now you dig for information (misinformation) to rationalize your belief. You were never considering it.
It’s hilarious that Trumpers and wacko liberals are now united in the anti-vax cause.
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Re: As soon as Trump told you not to you made up your mind.
Jan 26, 2023, 9:51 AM
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That is 180 degrees from reality.
Trump is a big fan of the vax, says it saved 10s of millions of lives.
Oops.
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Re: In considering whether or not to get the vax
Jan 25, 2023, 1:04 PM
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Why would the opinions of unqualified people give you pause?
What are her credentials (beyond her self-declared "20+ years researching natural health" and "Pub Med Nerd")? Does she even use her real name or is it all anonymous tweets?
If you are looking for an unqualified opinion to believe, you are simply trying to reinforce your own ignorance.
She completely lost me at "autopsies on people who die after the vax..." when exceedingly few people have died from the vaccine.
You also repeat assertions that have long been dismissed. Nobody thinks that every single person who gets the vaccination will not get COVID. That is not how any vaccine works. (For that matter, there are also small numbers of people who have adverse reactions from all vaccines.) Do you think that nobody who gets a flu shot gets the flu? It is about decreasing the chances and lowering the severity.
If you'd like to buy a bridge, I'll sell you one, cheap.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.htmlCOVID-19 Vaccination Rare instances of adverse events following COVID-19 vaccinations have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.
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Hey, I have 20+ years...
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Jan 25, 2023, 1:07 PM
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Researching Clemson football. Dabo should ask me for gameday advice.
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The only thing I'm worried about is shedding from being
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Jan 25, 2023, 1:38 PM
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around the vaxxed. I made the decision not to get vaxxed early because any idiot could see that the entire covid narrative was a hoax. But I work around people who are vaxxed and I just hope I haven't picked up enough of their spikes to do any damage.
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How does the shedding work?
Jan 25, 2023, 3:04 PM
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Does it magically jump from person to person? Do you have to share fluids? Skin contact enough? What is this shedding people keep referring to?
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All-TigerNet [10961]
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Well the mRNA spreads throughout your body and causes
Jan 25, 2023, 3:55 PM
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your cells to produce the spike protein, similar to the way the virus itself would work. This is how the mRNA supposedly trains your immune system. So, just like when you have a regular virus, you expel the spike protein whenever you breathe, cough, sneeze, etc and it then begins to spread throughout the air. It's not that complicated really.
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Re: Well the mRNA spreads throughout your body and causes
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Jan 25, 2023, 4:00 PM
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Sneezing out spike proteins isn’t really complicated, but it is completely imaginary.
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Vax does not prevent COVID; the vaxed unaware spread it
Jan 25, 2023, 9:27 PM
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It is highly unlikely that ‘shedded’ mRNA / spiked protein’ particles can spread infectious mRNA to other people.
For COVID vaccines, the mRNA ‘piece’ is encapsulated in a nano-lipid ‘vesicle’ that fools interferes with the body’s immune system to recognize and attack the encapsulated mRNA piece.
This same nano-lipid encapsulant then posses the properties which allow it to pass through the cell wall. From that point, selected enzymes within the cell that assist cells to replicate its ‘natural’ DNA are also used to replicate the ‘synthetic’ mRNA.
(*). The nanolipid encapsulant never gets outside of the cell as long as the cell remains alive. There is either none or very small chance that any dead cell will release an intact nanolipid encapsulant (with mRNA contained therein).
To my understanding, the original mRNA vax dose inserts ~ 40,000 nanolipid encapsulated particles into the body. This number is pretty big because there is not 100% uptake of the mRNA through the cell wall. The unencapsulated mRNA is rapidly destroyed by the body’s immune system.
(*). If any ‘pure’ mRNA pieces somehow managed to get sneezed from one person to another, there will be no nanolipid encapsulant associated with those mRNA pieces.
Therefore, that mRNA will not cause Covid-19 infection.
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For the most part.***
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Jan 25, 2023, 3:55 PM
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You never answered this...
Jan 25, 2023, 3:57 PM
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Are birds real or are they government drones sent to spy on us?
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Re: You never answered this...
Jan 25, 2023, 9:30 PM
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Why resort to making absurd metaphors when you clearly have no understanding of the Covid 19 vaxes and their safety … other than what your minders tell you what to understand?
Those comments only make you look childish.
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You're a child wandering into a conversation.***
Jan 26, 2023, 8:08 AM
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Do you think the name-calling makes you look wise?***
Jan 26, 2023, 10:13 AM
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No. Just a harbinger of truth.
Jan 26, 2023, 11:12 AM
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Do you believe you've never called someone a name on this site?
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remember the food pyramid?
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Jan 25, 2023, 3:53 PM
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just sayin...
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