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Mental illness is a beotch
Feb 15, 2018, 7:19 AM
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Dude was nutz. Just like all the other crazy people shooting schools up.
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Was he nuts or just mad?
Feb 15, 2018, 10:48 AM
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Temporary insanity is a beeotch.
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Re: Was he nuts or just mad?
Feb 15, 2018, 11:12 AM
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I get mad all the time but I would be a nut case if I wanted to kill people because they hurt my feelings. This is why being PC all the time is hurting our country.
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You just haven't had the right person hurt your feelings yet***
Feb 15, 2018, 12:53 PM
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That was sort of FUPA-esque.***
Feb 15, 2018, 1:10 PM
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Well, when you feel you've been so wronged that murder
Feb 15, 2018, 1:12 PM
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is on your mind you'd agree
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Oh I don't disagree, I'm just saying it could have been
Feb 15, 2018, 1:13 PM
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one of her "motivational" posts.
"Whin a man says he loves you but he don't want to hurt you you have to ask yoreself if you haven't been hurt by the right person yet because hurtin isn't wrong but the person is"
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Wonder if he was on SSRI's. That's been suppressed before.***
Feb 15, 2018, 11:24 AM
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right
Feb 15, 2018, 11:50 AM
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the crazy that legally obtained an ar - thats why this country is going to ####
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I'm all for mental evals
Feb 15, 2018, 11:59 AM
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If they determine you are nutz or PTSD....no guns for u!
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Re: I'm all for mental evals
Feb 15, 2018, 12:01 PM
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its really really simple - ban ar. thats one problem solved. address mental issues - another problem solved.
see - i fixed it
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Sigh... banning AR's wouldn't do anything.
Feb 15, 2018, 12:12 PM
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You can still kill the same amount of people with other weapons.
AR's are just getting the most attention because the mainstream says so.
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Re: Sigh... banning AR's wouldn't do anything.
Feb 15, 2018, 12:22 PM
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something must be done. how are you mentally ill and legally able to purchase? how does a someone in vegas obtain 55 weapons in a yr undetected? this will only be over when its bites people personally in the a$$ when their child is mowed down at a concert or trying to learn algebra. this is no longer a republican or democrat issue - its an issue for americans. a child should not have to believe this is the world they live in. half of my family is military and for some crazy reason, we all believe this same sentiment. its a cop out to only say "hey, lets only attack mental illness" - i own handgun, hunting knives, and 2 shotguns. there is no need for any rapid fire weapons for any of us unless we are stationed on a base representing the usa.
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Re: Sigh... banning AR's wouldn't do anything.
Feb 15, 2018, 12:30 PM
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There are laws in place that prevent mentally ill people (and all sorts of criminals) from being able to purchase guns. We are not fully enforcing those laws. The reason we are not fully enforcing those laws is because people are wasting their time arguing to ban certain types of guns and there is no urgency to enforce our laws. If everyone was outraged about the failure of the system we have in place to be actually executed the way it's supposed to be, then something meaningful might be done. But people skip over that and go after a certain type of gun because it is used by the military.
Politicians know what gets more attention. "Focus on a scary looking gun. That will steal the show. Ignore all the complicated stuff about enforcing existing laws. That won't get anyone all jazzed up."
The Vegas shooter should not have been allowed to buy guns. Someone screwed up, he was not on the ban list, and he was able to but it.
And I do not like the idea of the government having a monopoly of the means to commit violence. The 2nd amendment was created as a deterrent for unchecked power of the government to force its will on citizens and convert them into subjects.
Furthermore, handguns are just as capable of killing multiple people in a mass shooting. Don't fall for the bells and whistles.
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Re: Sigh... banning AR's wouldn't do anything.
Feb 15, 2018, 12:35 PM
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then why not give new gun laws a try? no harm in that. i will bet there will be less mass shootings with a handgun. thats not bells and whistles - that will be a fact.
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What new law would you have made that would
Feb 15, 2018, 12:43 PM
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have stopped this from happening?
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Re: What new law would you have made that would
Feb 15, 2018, 12:47 PM
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The guy had a violent past and mental illnesses. He bought the gun legally.
What do you think could have prevented it?
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Sounds like he slipped through the cracks
Feb 15, 2018, 12:49 PM
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of a law or regulation that was already in place.
The FBI was made aware of this guy and apparently didn't even feel the need to talk with him. This tragedy could have been prevented, but not by any law not already in place...
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Most mass shootings have involved handguns.
Feb 15, 2018, 12:45 PM
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And there is a harm in disarming people if %99.9999999 of them are law abiding citizens.
You giving up your cars/trucks would save thousands of times more lives than me giving up my semi-automatic weapons. Would you be willing to do that? Maybe give it a try?
There is no evidence that school shooting would decrease if there were no AR's.
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You doin't make laws based on raw emotion.
Feb 15, 2018, 12:47 PM
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There wasn't one new law that could have been made that would have absolutely stopped this from happening.
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Re: You doin't make laws based on raw emotion.
Feb 15, 2018, 12:51 PM
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1) Was the kid mentally ill?
2) Answer to 1 is Yes.
3) Law says mentally ill people are not able to purchase guns.
4) End
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Exactly***
Feb 15, 2018, 12:52 PM
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All sorts of laws are passed on raw emotion
Feb 15, 2018, 2:15 PM
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Especially when extreme events happen.
Recent examples:
- Creating TSA. Taking out laptops, shoes off, etc etc before flight
- Limiting large sales of ammonium nitrate based fertilizer (OKC bombing)
- Took down the Confederate flag awfully quick from the state house after years of debate due to emotion (Dylan Roof shooting)
List goes on and on.
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Doesn't make it prudent.
Feb 15, 2018, 2:48 PM
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You forgot about another awesome one.. Like the Patriot Act.
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And I am all for putting
Feb 15, 2018, 12:51 PM
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some sort of list out there that red flags a person with diagnosed mental illness when they go to purchase a firearm.
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Re: right
Feb 15, 2018, 12:26 PM
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I agree 100% with you wtih that dudes history he should not be able to buy a gun...
This shooter....
Was expelled
Accused of abusing girlfriend
Fetishized killing animals
Treated for mental issues
Threatened teachers
Posted pics of himself with firearms on social media
Red flags galore and nothing was done.
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Re: right
Feb 15, 2018, 12:33 PM
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true - but those rapid fire weapons should not be available in the first place. i can hit a dear with a bow or shotgun. i can dove hunt without a machine gun. i have run someone off my neighbors property with my shotgun. one pump and he put his hands up while my neighbor had a baseball bat and stood over him until cops came. mental illness is an issue, no doubt. but as a father, i cannot stand for this any longer. sadly, no one talks about vegas, sandy hook, etc. or kentucky a few days back. and florida will disappear from the nations radar when one of the kardashians takes
another pic of their a$$. its pathetic
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Re: right
Feb 15, 2018, 12:37 PM
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I as a lawful citizen should have access to whatever I want to protect my family. An assault rifle is nothing more than a scary looking semi auto rife.
I grew up in an area where cops were a good 30 mins out from getting to my family's home if something were to happen.
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I don't appreciate you wanting to disarm me and assuming
Feb 15, 2018, 12:58 PM
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you know which of my possessions are necessary.
Maybe I should form an opinion about something you find important, label it unnecessary and ask our government to cause you to do something you don't want to do because it has a small chance to save a few lives.
It's unnecessary to drive over 35 mph. Just leave earlier. Anyone who speeds should have their cars impounded. It's too important.
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Re: I don't appreciate you wanting to disarm me and assuming
Feb 15, 2018, 1:05 PM
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thats fine. we can agree to disagree. nothing gets done and we will continue to get nothing done. we should all just accept that this is the new normal.
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So is it the deaths that concern you, or the type of death?
Feb 15, 2018, 1:07 PM
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Because there is plenty more fertile ground for saving lives.
Foreign policy, auto crashes, etc...
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Re: So is it the deaths that concern you, or the type of death?
Feb 15, 2018, 1:10 PM
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most need to drive - most don't need a semi. comparing driving to mass shootings, well, i don't even know how to respond to that. if it happens at my childs school, charging or killing the shooter won't be their only problem - i can assure you of that.
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Not that simple. We could drive 10 mph slower and
Feb 15, 2018, 1:31 PM
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save 10 times more lives than banning guns. Yet, no outrage. Because it's not "Someone else's sin."
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Re: I don't appreciate you wanting to disarm me and assuming
Feb 15, 2018, 1:15 PM
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Things can be done but how about we stop blaming the tool instead of the person using it.
He was mentally ill he never should have been able to buy ANY kind of weapon.
When a piece of #### drunk driver kills someone we never blame the alcohol or the car.
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Re: I don't appreciate you wanting to disarm me and assuming
Feb 15, 2018, 1:17 PM
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i am blaming the person. and i am also blaming the fact that the weapon is actually available to that person. the weapon and the person is what i'm after. has nothing to do with second amendment.
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Re: I don't appreciate you wanting to disarm me and assuming
Feb 15, 2018, 1:22 PM
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"has nothing to do with second amendment."
Yea banning a weapon 100% has to do with the second amendment.
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Re: I don't appreciate you wanting to disarm me and assuming
Feb 15, 2018, 1:27 PM
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well, is it ok for me to go buy a bazooka? rocket launcher? what in the #### do i need one for? this is not conservative or liberal - i would think common cents would dictate
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Re: I don't appreciate you wanting to disarm me and assuming
Feb 15, 2018, 1:25 PM
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Uh, you don't blame the car, you take the car away from the drunk.
We need to put more money in mental health treatment and need to create a process for having hearings for people with violent tendencies. We shouldn't allow a simple psychologist's note to be ground to take a gun away, but we should have a far easier process to adjudicate such matters.
A kid who rips toilets out of the floor at his school and displays violent tendencies should probably have a hearing to ban him from having weapons.
People are wrong that the law simply wasn't followed here. There is no law that simply displaying violent tendencies gets you a hearing.
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Re: I don't appreciate you wanting to disarm me and assuming
Feb 15, 2018, 1:27 PM
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"Uh, you don't blame the car, you take the car away from the drunk."
EXACTLY.... You take the car from him but not everyone.
This kid had plenty of signs and never should have been allowed to buy a gun of any kind.
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Re: I don't appreciate you wanting to disarm me and assuming
Feb 15, 2018, 1:31 PM
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There are standards for cars. You can't put some giant metal spikes all over your car so that it's much more likely to kill someone in the event of a wreck.
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Re: Well that response is a far cry
Feb 15, 2018, 2:17 PM
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I'm a gun rights supporter. I'm not a supporter of weapons that are only needed in war.
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It's an arbitrary distinction. Many handgun rounds used
Feb 15, 2018, 2:21 PM
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by law enforcement are actually banned in warfare. (hollow-points)
And you can kill a lot of people with a handgun, arguably more. Kids are not usually wearing flak vests.
And stop trusting the government with all the best stuff. The whole purpose of the 2nd amendment was to hedge against the govt running amok.
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Re: It's an arbitrary distinction. Many handgun rounds used
Feb 15, 2018, 2:29 PM
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It's not arbitrary. Some guns are used for hunting. Some are used for personal protection on your body. Some are used for killing people.
Semi automatics should be banned. Gun nuts can play semantics all they want. But assault weapons as defined by law should be illegal. We can work through the legislative process to figure out exactly which ones. And it's only one step toward a solution.
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Re: It's an arbitrary distinction. Many handgun rounds used
Feb 15, 2018, 2:50 PM
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So only single shot pistols right?
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Single shot shotguns.***
Feb 15, 2018, 4:54 PM
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I'm thinking you don't know what semi-automatic means.
Feb 16, 2018, 9:39 AM
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I'm not sure you realize what you are saying.
The "military" distinction is arbitrary because there are weapons that are just as deadly which are not for military use. In fact, the point I tried to make to you is that some weapons, that are not considered "military" are so deadly that they are banned for military use.
You are not well-versed enough in this particular topic to hang. You need to recognize that and come back when you know more.
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