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All-In [26696]
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RH Tig and udder jounge musicians, GITT
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Nov 21, 2023, 9:11 AM
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Cause I gots a problem. Lilmissgrouching (no pigs) has decided she’s going to learn how to play guitar, and therefore wants one for her birthday. Since there are no Five and Dime stores for her to see her first red six string, any advice on mid range price starter guitars? I remember Warlord previously saying always start acoustic, so looking at going that route. Will probably go used as well, because 11 year olds tend to lose interest in things as quick as they gain it. However, this really is the first unprompted request she’s had in a while, so might as well nurture it.
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We bought my son a Mitchell junior size when he started.
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Nov 21, 2023, 9:15 AM
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Decent guitar with good tone and didn't break the bank.
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Lot o points [155948]
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Anything named Mitchell sucks.***
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Nov 21, 2023, 4:16 PM
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Re: Anything named Mitchell sucks.***
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Nov 22, 2023, 9:37 AM
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(see, that was a joke about your name, tmitchell27®)
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Find a used Alvarez. Their beginner guitars are head
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Nov 21, 2023, 3:04 PM
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and shoulders above the rest of the market. Easy to play, good sound quality.
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You can get a brand new Acoustic Guitar from Monoprice for $100
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Nov 21, 2023, 3:08 PM
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HTH
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$300 Yamaha from Guitar Center***
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Nov 21, 2023, 3:13 PM
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Re: $300 Yamaha from Guitar Center***
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Nov 21, 2023, 4:04 PM
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+1 on the Yamaha acoustics. They are cheap and have a decent tone for the price. If it gets beaten up, it will still play and not lose much value. Still have a Yamaha that was bought for about 150 in the 90's. Beaten and worn in and probably still worth about 100 bucks if I wanted to unload it.
If they get their chords down and enjoy it and want to move up, there will always be more $$$ options.
If you can make a lower tier guitar sound good, it will sound that much better when you are ready to upgrade.
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Re: $300 Yamaha from Guitar Center***
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Nov 21, 2023, 4:07 PM
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take the money you saved getting a cheaper guitar and get her whatever picks she thinks are cool, and some softer strings until her fingers get used to it.
Ancillaries add up - Capos, picks, straps, strings, tuners (get one on a smartphone), bags/ stands
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Those packages aren't terrible for a beginner, but those are a great example of
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Nov 21, 2023, 4:53 PM
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'drive it off the lot and immediately lose 35% of the value'. Also REALLY important that it be set up properly. My buddy sells those packages at Xmas time because Fender requires that they move some to keep their dealership, but I've seen him steer people away from those too.
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All-In [28416]
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started lilclash3 with hot pink sparkle fender at age 7
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Nov 21, 2023, 3:19 PM
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since age 7.5, its been in the attic. that was 13.5 years ago. butt, she do sing and plays piano since age 6, so that was a plus.
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Lot o points [155948]
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Ill give real advice later if the lunge hasnt already
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Nov 21, 2023, 4:15 PM
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Hit all the salient points, but I can’t let bastardized Bryan Adams lyrics go unaddressed.
He got his first REAL six string at the dive and dime. We are left without knowledge of the actual color.
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Re: RH Tig and udder jounge musicians, GITT
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Nov 21, 2023, 4:19 PM
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Agree with Old Slac... Alvarez makes good quality acoustics for around $300.00 used. I'd suggest getting a parlor size instead of a big 'ol dreadnought.
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DON'T buy any of the $100 no name guitars, always buy a little more guitar
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Nov 21, 2023, 4:50 PM
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than that so you can get most of your money back if she gives up quick...or takes to it and you're looking to trade up down the road. In a lot of cases, the cheap Amazon guitars are very hard to make comfortable players out of even with a pro set up. I haven't looked at that end of the market in a long time, but you should be able to get a lot of guitar for $150, and something that she won't need to trade for a long time for $200. Every major company now puts a fair amount of quality into beginner stuff because making sure people stick with it is where they really profit. You'll probably do OK with anything Fender, Epiphone, Gretsch, Yamaha, or Alvarez in terms of quality for the money off the top of my head.
If you're close to any decent music store THAT'S where I suggest buying from so you get a set up included. I'd bet that the largest percentage of people who decide to start and then give up quickly is because the action is ridiculously high and would be painful for even an intermediate player to play. It's also the safest place to buy used if you don't really know what you're looking at because a lot can go wrong with a wooden stringed instrument.
Along with the guitar, do lessons. Ask around and see who is good with kids because some teachers are just frustrated rock stars and they aren't as invested in turning out good players so they teach over a kid's head. THAT'S important. A college-age kid or older might be able to self-start on Youtube videos, but a younger child really needs to be in front of a good teacher.
If you're iffy on any of the local dealers, shoot me a message and I'll put you in touch with my buddy here. He's been in the business for 40+ years, and he's knowledgeable, honest to a fault, and would be happy to ship something used that is set up properly. If you deal with a Guitar Center, you may or may not get someone who is worried about making sure they're putting your needs first...kinda hit and miss in that regard. I'm OK buying from a place like that because I have enough knowledge to if there's an obvious issue with a used instrument, but someone that doesn't play might not see those things.
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Nice, the advice I knew I needed.
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Nov 21, 2023, 5:09 PM
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I did find a shop down in Annapolis to check out - you may have been in there on a road trip to Terpville back in the day.
https://gpguitars.com/
Because not only do they sell beginner Yamahas, I might as well check out a $57K 1957 Stratocaster and try to figure out the reasons behind the value.
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The reason behind that price is that someone out there is willing to pay $57k
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Nov 21, 2023, 5:26 PM
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or near that for it. I have another buddy that collects instruments as investments. It's better than the stock market if you do your research and know what you're doing because the value of rare and vintage just doesn't drop. It's INSANE what the value of instruments has done in the last 10 years, and even more insane what they've risen just since 2020. If I had inherited the kind of money he did, I'd do the same thing because buying the RIGHT instruments is a phenomenal investment. I've been able to lay hands on some very incredible instruments because of him...I actually have three original Reverend Rumblefish basses sitting here beside me right now that he brought over for me to play.
That said, a '57 Strat is without a doubt one of the best years to own, but that price sounds $10-15k too high unless it's verified as being owned by an artist that warrants that price tag. Let me know when you find out, LOL. Not at all familiar with Garrett Park Guitars but the flip side of the coin here is that it kind of looks like a place that may have a 'snoot factor' and not what I would be looking for in terms of buying a beginner axe. Maybe they're great, but the site looks to me like the deal pretty high end.
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Id start with acoustic. You learn to play on an
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Nov 21, 2023, 7:03 PM
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Acoustic and learn to express yourself on electric. Scales and powerchords are easy enough on an electric, but they are hard to learn chords properly because the sound is so muddy for whole chords.
Good advice in this thread overall, but I just wouldn’t buy new. Craigslist in any given town usually has a decent $125 Yamaha or Oscar Schmidt for sale with a case, and Fender makes some decent cheap acoustic guitars too.
You do want a good teacher, but the bottom line is the first few months are the hardest. If they get through those, it gets a LOT more rewarding playing and the likelihood of her sticking with it goes up exponentially. The world is full of abandoned guitars from kids who quit after their fingers hurt and they couldn’t play jackshid after two weeks. Ideally also the teacher, early on, will tab out a song she likes. If you can bust out one or two songs you know, it’s a lot more fun than practicing chords all day.
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Re: Id start with acoustic. You learn to play on an
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Nov 21, 2023, 10:52 PM
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"Ideally also the teacher, early on, will tab out a song she likes. If you can bust out one or two songs you know, it’s a lot more fun than practicing chords all day."
^^^ This times ten.
Want to bore a beginner to death? Make'em learn scales.
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So back in the day I got lilAPM a Takamine.
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Nov 22, 2023, 9:47 AM
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Not a great guitar, but easy enough to play. Once he got into it, we moved up to Fender Squire kit, then a sweet Taylor acoustic, and he eventually bought a real Strat. He has also bought Orange amps, etc. Homie is pretty good.
BUT, we started cheap and until he really showed interest we did not move up in quality.
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There was a time that Takamine made the best intermediate instrument on the
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Nov 22, 2023, 10:34 AM
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market. From the mid-80s to mid-90s, they made far and away the best overall line of acoustic guitars for non-professionals in terms of value, reliability, quality of build, and sound. I've owned three Takamines over the years, including one of the best 12-string guitars I've ever laid hands on. I think they still churn out some really excellent stuff and for a beginner model, I'd say that their lower-line Jasmine stuff might still be worth a look. I've been completely bass-centric in the last 10 years so I haven't paid as much attention to acoustics. Most of what I know about the current era is from hanging around the music store and hearing what my buddy advises new players. But I do know this...the major manufacturers are putting FAR more effort into their lower-line products than ever before. They finally figured out that getting new players to stick with playing instruments is how you eventually get them to buy the $1000 and up product. That wasn't always the case a couple of decades ago.
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Lotta pros still play a Tak. A Japan-made Takamine
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Nov 22, 2023, 10:48 AM
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Is usually a real treat to play.
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Quality-wise the squire should be a big step down from a Tak.
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I’ve played Tak’s before that sounded every bit as good as a mid-level Taylor.
Bro-in law just picked up a 61 Gibson this past week and I’ve been playing it. Sounds so warm you gotta take yer sweater off.
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Gibson acoustics sound phenomenal.
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Nov 22, 2023, 10:53 AM
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Another buddy of mine who is a professional guitar teacher (on top of being a friend since elementary school and the lead guitar in our band) bought himself a Hummingbird about 10 years ago. It's an incredible instrument but I'm not sure I could ever justify spending over three grand for an acoustic. I can't justify spending that for a bass to be quite honest, LOL.
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BTW, if you're ever in da Noke and want to peruse awesome acoustics,
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Nov 22, 2023, 11:23 AM
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check out the Fret Mill.
https://fretmill.com/
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Ill go to the fret mill, lunch at Cabo fish taco,
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Nov 22, 2023, 11:34 AM
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And meet ye for a Pilsner.
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Name the date dawg.***
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I've found beginners struggle with finger pressure and have a lot of...
Nov 22, 2023, 5:35 PM
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difficulty building callouses to eliminate the pain of pressing strings. The easiest guitars on beginners are the classical with nylon strings. The strings are also farther apart which makes fretting one string without deadening the others when learning chords.
If you decide to go with a flattop buy a new set of the super lights for electric guitars. If you buy a used guitar have a pro set the neck up with the minimum distance between the strings and frets.
You can do it yourself by figuring out which way the nut on the truss rod turns to move the neck. It's trial and error for a rookie or someone who has limited experience.
First trial is when you move the neck such that the low E rattles against the frets. The last trial is when after you've slowly moved it in the other direction and the first time the E string doesn't rattle against the frets.
Go too close between the strings and frets then back off to the point that the rattling stops. No more for now. Pros typically won't do this because it will change with humidity and rattle with severe changes.
Another helpful tool is the capo. I like using one on my Martin because it's like fretting a telephone pole with 1/4" steel wire strung up the side. Especially if I've taken 6+ months off because my fingernails are all broken from working on that dang car. A capo lays the strings down just fine.
I don't like the spring types, they seem to press too hard. A screw down type can be adjusted so that it's almost impossible to notice the strings get out of tune with one another.
Acoustical guitar w/nylon strings, set it up with strings low to the frets and use a screw type capo. That's about as easy as it's gonna get. You'll need a tuner which will tune flat and sharp too.
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