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Re: Interesting take on the Super Bowl ads...
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Feb 12, 2023, 10:29 AM
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Get your popcorn ready.
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I'll bite...
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Feb 12, 2023, 2:16 PM
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i read two sentences before i found my stance on this article based on the following sentence:
From my perspective, you can only discern the “authentic Jesus” by recognizing his political priorities
nah, im good. jesus came to the world for sinners, of which i am one. trying to hitch any worldly political lens to jesus' message is at best missing the point and at worst disingenuous and malevalent.
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Re: I'll bite...
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Feb 12, 2023, 5:37 PM
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Jesus was definitely caught up in the politics of his day.
Trump would have called him a libtard.
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Show us scripture!
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Feb 12, 2023, 11:20 PM
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Show us where Jesus, any of the apostles or the first church had any political ambitions.
Hint: I've been reading the Bible for near 65 years and I've never found anything to support your statement.
Trump would have washed his hands and let the Jewish leaders have their way.
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Re: Show us scripture!
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Feb 13, 2023, 8:02 AM
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Well as far as I can tell politics were a lot different back then.
People didn't have a voice through the voting booth like they do today.
People didn't align with a political party because there were none.
The two sides were not red and blue, you either had money or you didn't.
When Jesus told the rich man to sell his possessions and give to the poor, he was making a political statement.
When he told the pharisees they were no better than the widow who gave a few pennies, he was making a political statement.
That is unless you believe money really does prevent someone from being accepted by god?
Contrary to what another poster in this thread said, Jesus had way more on his mind than sin.
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I can see how you response would satisfy some.***
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Feb 13, 2023, 8:08 AM
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Re: Show us scripture!
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Trump was not part of the political establishment.
The Jewish demographic of the Roman Empire was the regime of the political establishment.
To finish the analogy, Trump would have been more likely to go against the Jewish political establishment than Pence, Graham, Romney, etc. as far as having a ‘live and let live’ governing philosophy.
Best regards.
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Re: I'll bite...
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Feb 12, 2023, 5:51 PM
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While I appreciate your concern, he addresses Jesus's politics in the piece.
Jesus’ politics, which challenged Rome’s politically and financially powerful interests, guaranteed his death. The message of the Roman Empire should sound familiar to those of us who live in the American Empire: The more resources and power you can attain, the better off you’ll be. Of course, Jesus sought to bring about a kingdom, that is a political domain, where the exact opposite was held to be true: The poor and the powerless will inherit the kingdom, but the powerful will be kicked off their thrones and the wealthy will be sent away empty.
the idea that Jesus’ gospel... (is) apolitical strikes me as naïve. For example, if the campaign and the gospel don’t have anything to do with politics, then terms like “marginalized,” “activism,” “canceled,” and “movement” should be avoided; highlighting the plight of teen moms and refugees makes little sense; and exhorting Christians to love their neighbors has little meaning. The campaign may want to advocate for apoliticism, but whether they recognize or admit it, it is practically impossible to be apolitical when it comes to the issues referenced on their site. Furthermore, imagining Jesus as apolitical is itself a political decision — and it is a decision that aligns with politically and financially powerful interests.
His concern is more (and I hate trying to paraphrase, as I don't feel like I can do his writing justice) about those who are behind the ads presenting themselves as being apolitical when they most certainly are not. And he is using the Bible to put the claim in perspective.
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Re: I'll bite...
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Feb 14, 2023, 12:50 AM
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Maybe, but also there is the use of some present day sufferings … sufferings which have already been politicized, and are therefore readily recognizable and relatable to those who are not familiar with Christ’s teachings … to attract attention (and subsequently interest) in the broader overall teachings of Christ that the Christian religion aspires to accurately convey.
Whew … what a mouthful!
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Feb 12, 2023, 5:40 PM
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Conservatives are gonna love the comparison of Jesus to a victim of police brutality.
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Re: Interesting take on the Super Bowl ads...
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Feb 12, 2023, 5:54 PM
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Conservatives are gonna love the comparison of Jesus to a victim of police brutality.
It's an interesting thing, given the folks behind it. They are serious social conservatives. Maybe they are trying to make Jesus "cool" for the Gen Z folk who have left the church in droves but have a tendency to be more liberal.
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Re: Interesting take on the Super Bowl ads...
Feb 14, 2023, 12:53 AM
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I’ve got some concerns about the Hobby Lobby guy, but then again (if he knew me) he’d probably have concerns about me.
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Re: Interesting take on the Super Bowl ads...
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Feb 12, 2023, 6:10 PM
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Interesting article. Not sure I agree with all of it, but interesting perspectives on several issues.
A couple of topics that caught my attention.
1) As far as getting the word out by any means necessary, by whatever language necessary (marginalized, activism, etc), I don't think that's any different than what Paul himself did. From 1 Cor 9:20
20 When I was with the Jews, I lived like a Jew to bring the Jews to Christ. When I was with those who follow the Jewish law, I too lived under that law. 21 When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law...22 When I am with those who are weak, I share their weakness...Yes, I try to find common ground with everyone, doing everything I can to save some. 23 I do everything to spread the Good News and share in its blessings. 24 Don’t you realize that in a race everyone runs, but only one person gets the prize? So run to win!
2) As far as blame for Jesus's death, does it really even matter? He was human. He was going to die. That's how God made man. So whether it was from treachery or old age, Jesus was going to share the same fate as everyone else who wears a mortal body.
If he doesn't die then he doesn't die for anyone's sins. If one wants to take blame to the top, God designed Jesus to die. And since Jesus is God (if one believes in the Trinity), he planned it himself. I just don't really get the blame thing. The important thing, it seems to me, was his death, not the means of his death.
3) As far as politics, sure, there were politics in Jesus's day. Undeniably. Anyone who knows any history at all can just replace the word "politics" with "opinions" and that about explains all of history. The Sadducees and the Pharisees WERE the Sadducees and the Pharisees because even they disagreed with one another. Otherwise they would have been the same group.
But Jesus's core message on human relations, "Do unto others..." cut through all politics/opinions. It's virtually universal, and has been since long before Jesus even walked the earth.
"Never do something to others that one would regard as an injury to one's own self." - India, 400 BCE
"Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." - Greece, 600 BCE
"Refrain from doing to another whatsoever is not good for one's self" - Persia, 300 BCE
"Love your neighbor as yourself" -Leviticus 19:18
Even folks who refute Jesus's divinity can't refute that he did his part to spread that simple, social message. Anyhow, I did enjoy the article. Lots of stuff to think about whether one agrees or disagrees.
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That's settled by simply searching the scripture for...
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Feb 13, 2023, 8:16 AM
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understanding a guidance.
Luke 9:50
“And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.”
I recommend each of the readers of this post review the context of Luke 9:50 and make sure for yourself that it is applicable to this thread and I hope it guides your opinion.
I mean, who disagrees with Jesus?
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After all the triggered angst over a commercial no one had
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Feb 13, 2023, 10:11 AM
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yet seen, they turned out to be fine.
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With very few limits anything one does to lead another...
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Feb 13, 2023, 9:55 PM
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to Christ is ok. Getting a lost person to Jesus is like getting a badly bleeding man to the ER. You can run redlights, drive as fast as condition allow and ignore the blue lights behind you and not stop until you get to the door.
I don't care how someone get to Jesus the results are all the same.
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Re: Interesting take on the Super Bowl ads...
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Feb 14, 2023, 12:42 AM
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Thanks for the post and the link. Had to read it a couple of times, but some aspects of Mr. Daniels’ article jumped out to me.
Forgive me (after all, the topic here is Christianity … right? Forgiveness, right?) but to use a slang term: Mr. Daniels is too far above the grass to see the lawn mower.
He overlooks the most basic foundation of Christ’s teachings (paraphrased): Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. (This is expressed much better in the NewTestament … in the Book of Mark.)
Because all of us fail … despite how hard or how ‘effective’ we are in our attempts to do good, we embrace Jesus and do our very best (again, that ‘do our very best’ isn’t good enough) and pray through Jesus that God forgives us of our hopeless inadequacies and unkindnesses.
So the above is the fundamental platform from which Christianity must be, well, founded upon.
Mr. Daniels focuses upon Ellacuria’s religious authority in which Ellacuría referenced the social plight of a downtrodden demographic within El Salvadoran society. Mr. Ellacuría sought political remedies in hopes of easing the burdens upon that downtrodden part of El Salvadoran society. That’s all good. But then Mr. Daniels extrapolates Ellacuria’s political activism and his brutal execution by the El Salvadoran political regime as being similar to Jesus’ crucifiction at the hands of the political powers in Jerusalem e.g., the Romans + Jews. Thus, according to Mr. Daniels, Jesus was a political activist … just as Ellacuría was a political activist.
Mr. Daniels went ‘a bridge too far’ here … Jesus was not limiting his message simply to those whose immediate sufferings were largely driven by the governing political authorities in Jerasulem. Jesus’s foundational messages and his example transcended political abuses to all suffering from all peoples in all circumstances. Indeed, Jesus used specific examples of that time’s political regime and specific sufferings of the downtrodden of that time to ‘bring home’ how His teachings were of immediate relevance to them. But the core message was NOT limited to political situations.
To summarize, Jesus’ teachings do indeed apply to political situations … but they are not in any way limited to political situations. Mr. Daniels got himself confused and inadvertently diminished the breadth of Jesus’ teachings.
Look, I’m no biblical scholar. Like you, I’m still trying to align Christ’s teachings with how they apply to specific situations in today’s world. Fortunately for me, my screw-ups won’t relegate me to a hopeless future because Jesus has carved out the path for us all.
Best regards.
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