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So I reckon...
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We've learned once again that whenever we question what the hell Dabo is doing, he reminds us why the two big trophies are in the case and we should sit the hell down.
Happy trails, Brandon. We'll always have Daniel Square.
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Nossir, don’t start the infallible Dabo narrative
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It’s rampant on the mange right now.
He made a great, laudable move with Riley. That’s awesome.
He also HAD to make this move because he hand selected a complete dud of an OC. Hiring Streeter wasn’t 3D space chess to get Riley.
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Well, I for one was shocked to see it and especially to see
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Riley as the hire.
I'll give him props and I think hungry Dabo is back.
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I was shocked to see it too and think the hire is a home
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Jan 13, 2023, 8:06 AM
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Run. I’m just not jumping on this “I GUESS I’LL NEVER QWESHION DABO AGAIN” train that’s lining up at the station. He effed up to get here, and repeated a mistake in doing so (hiring an unprepared friend to be OC).
Kudos for the hire, but it’s still patching up a self-inflicted wound. I’m excited to move on and see next season.
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Re: I was shocked to see it too and think the hire is a home
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Jan 13, 2023, 8:08 AM
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I'll question him too, especially after several beers and a bad three and out.
But again, the man has the trophies and the rings. We'll keep questioning, and he'll keep proving us wrong.
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Maybe I can go get some hypnosis
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Jan 13, 2023, 8:11 AM
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To forget the past couple seasons of underperformance and then I too can chant “Dabo’s never wrong”.
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Tony Elliott, solo, was a similar problem to Streeter
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If Tony had not gotten the UVA gig, it likely would have been Elliott packing his bags yesterday, but UVA bailed Dabo out big time. In a sense though, Streeter was a proxy firing for the trend that began under Elliott. Streeter just didn’t seem to know how to pull out of that tailspin.
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Being the CEO, and really the dictator of the program
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Jan 13, 2023, 8:12 AM
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all things good or bad that happen will be self inflicted, so that point is weird to me.
He is not perfect and willl not always make the right decision. But he has proven over time he will make changes when things do not work out.
Question him all you want, as will I, but I still trust him to fix it.
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If DJ were the qb we expected him to be, I don't think
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Streeter is gone....or if DJ had any pocket awareness whatsoever.
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If my aunt had a package, she'd be my uncle.
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Jan 13, 2023, 8:17 AM
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No way we will ever know what was the breaking point, but play calling had to be a huge driver. We should have won the Scar game and could have won or at least been closer vs UT with better play calling.
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Better said here
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Jan 13, 2023, 8:25 AM
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When Uiagalelei is injured and going into a shell late against South Carolina, it's not a great look afterward when Streeter blasts any question about going with backup Cade Klubnik. And it becomes a worse look a week later, after Streeter said there was "no question" DJ was the better option, when Klubnik is clearly the much better option in the ACC title game.
Add that to too many revelations that should've come much sooner than after the game or halftime (as in: "Yeah, we probably should've given it to Will Shipley more"), and you can see why Swinney made the difficult but necessary decision.
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Still could have won the game if you didn't turn it over
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or if Mukuba played better. Both of those were out of Streeter's hands.
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Which really just proves how badly we should have beaten
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them.
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Re: Still could have won the game if you didn't turn it over
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Jan 13, 2023, 8:43 AM
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Streeter could have ended that game in spite of those two issues by going back to the outside runs. On Ship's last TD, SC's defense was done. They were gassed. Anyone watching it could see. But on the next drive, Streeter comes out slinging instead of continuing to wear them down.
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He had reached Steele-level arrogance
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Getting defensive and hostile when questioned about his bad calls, and insisting he was making the right decisions in spite of ineptitude.
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Not only was Streeter the OC last year
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Jan 13, 2023, 9:32 AM
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He’s been the QB coach for the last few years. So it stands to reason Dabo finally got tired of his QBs not getting better as well.
Just spitballing, I dunno know.
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Let's get real now...
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Jan 13, 2023, 8:06 AM
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And I firmly plant myself in this guilty camp: We started narratives that he had grown metaphorically fat and lazy, was fine with coasting with 10 wins, that he wasn't willing to make the big moves because he would upset his friends, etc.
We were all a bit silly to overlook that this man wants to win more than anyone and is willing to make the big moves to do it. I'm not denying he had some missteps with some moves the last two years, but the man knows how to right the ship and has proven it to us multiple times.
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Yes and no
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The willingness to change was in question and he dunked on me and a whole lot of us there. I’m glad I was wrong.
It took some serious complacency and stagnation though for him to get to the point where he felt that good about this nepotistic group of C student coaches he had cultivated and convinced himself they were world class.
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So he doesn’t care as much about winning as the fans do?
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You’re completely confident that he was complacent and happy coasting or he wouldn’t have made those hires? It’s not possible he genuinely thought they would work out and that there was an advantage to continuity over change when continuity has worked for a while?
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Re: So he doesn’t care as much about winning as the fans do?
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Bruh, you have been arguing for a season that Streeter was doing a good job. Now that Dabo canned him you’re moving on to defending all things Dabo? Can you seriously say that there isn’t a whit of complacency involved in needing to hire for two coordinator positions and not even pretending to have a coaching search?
Your “want to win” is a non sequitur. You can want to win, while letting complacency seep in. Maybe it’s gone for good, maybe not, I hope it is. He’s been served a crap sandwich twice now though between Napier and Streeter and convincing himself that his friends were the best option, so I hope it never takes a third.
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It's not like he had budget in 2008/9 to go out and hire
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the OC from that year's national championship game. He pretty literally had a "hire a scrub you already have on staff" budget.
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Show me where I argued he was doing a good job?
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Jan 13, 2023, 9:27 AM
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I've argued that DJ was a head case. I've argued that if he could get out of his head and play like he did in high school, he'd probably be a great QB. I've argued that the coaches must have a reason to feel Klubnick wasn't ready. But I don't think I've ever argued that Streeter was a good coach. A good QB coach, maybe, but I don't think I've ever been one to throw our offensive stats around to suggest everything was hunky dory at the OC spot.
All I've ever really said is that Dabo brought two nattys to a fan base that was mostly resigned to not getting back to the top of that mountain. That earned him a lot of leeway from me. Period. I don't think people who are capable of competing at that high a level generally are ever content or satisfied with less and certainly never plan in a way they believe will get them less. I can't think of any coaches that won a national championship and then gave up trying to get another one apart from Holtz and Spurrier and they were just arrogant enough to think they could win one at Scar.
That's always been my argument.
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I truly would love to fill your request,
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but we both know how awesome the t-net search function is.
As for Dabo, you're (unintentionally, I think) strawmanning me. I don't think he stopped wanting to win, or worse, gave efforts that he thought or knew wouldn't win, and maybe the word "complacency" is muddying the waters there. I don't mean to say he had set the cruise control and said "well, I'm done trying for these hicks".
It was more complacency coming in the back door. Dabo seemed like he'd started reading his own press a little too much. Stopped understanding the demarcation point where his strengths ended and his weaknesses began. Stopped thinking he needed help in any areas. Basically, stopped being Dabo in that sense.
It led him to continue to think he could fix a badly broken QB, despite the rest of us seeing him banging his head against a brick wall. Led him to think that if he could just mentor a young coach a little bit, he'd make em the best. Let him think that with him by their side, an unexperienced young coach could morph into a competent coordinator. And let him think that he'd built CU football to the point where no cracks existed that he couldn't patch up, but he sure didn't need any outsiders coming in. It was complacency that crept in from Dabo's ego inflation (witnessed frequently in his public comments) and quickly disappearing self-awareness.
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I think most of us are saying somewhat the same thing but
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Jan 13, 2023, 10:29 AM
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from only slightly different perspectives, or personalities. I haven't been down on Streeter much, and I figured Dabo would make the necessary moves, and I was also frustrated with what seemed to be an insular approach, if that's the right word. So, you and I both are stoked about this move, for much the same reasons.
Most of the disagreements here likely come only because we don't know what people are thinking and doing. Heck, Dabo might have been talking "what if" to Riley back in October. Had we all known that, we would have all said different things, maybe. And that's why college football is fun.
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Re: Yes and no
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Don't you also wonder if he was giving Streeter a chance to have a full season to prove he could improve, and then after the Orange Bowl, immediately started working in Riley?
I don't have a problem with him giving a man a chance to come through on his job and then making the change when he's proven he can't. Did that make us lose some stupid games? Yeah, but hell, that's just the process, I guess.
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Re: Yes and no
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Plus, how you gonna attract good coaches if you have shown you won't give them reasonable time by quick fires previously
Was Streeter a bad choice at the time, hindsight says yes. I do remember people thinking Elliott was the problem with playcalling and were excited to see what Streeter could do. But you can't fire a guy who you just promoted to non duel OC status one year ago without giving him a fighting chance
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In fairness, for a large portion of the base,
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foresight said "yes" too, and I recall very little excitement over Streeter.
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Agree. When Dabo and Riley family got off the plane together
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one cant imagine they had just met on the way down. It seems this had been developing between the two of them for a while. Dabo has done these things a certain way, which has included giving any coach a full and complete opportunity, as you said, while also being prepared for needed changes. We all know that he and Brent had come together on a lot of things before anyone knew that decision was coming, and I would not be surprised to find that to be the case here. Riley might or might not have already accepted anything as the playoffs were happening, but I would bet the talks were already somewhat down the road.
I have not been as down on Streeter as some. His QBs have all done well, and before Clemson his OC work was good. Don't know what happened here, but there were some head scratcher things. I know a guy can't really stay as QB coach after being OC, but it seems he would do well there.
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Just logically, it seems like they would have had to
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talk prior to the natty game. Intros, gauge interest, agents, school admin, salary discussions........I'm no expert but I don't see how that could happen over a couple days.
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I don't think there is any question they talked...
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and if I was a TCU fan comparing my team's performance vs. Michigan vs. Georgia, I might be a little peeved at how quickly this happened.
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Man, you ain't joking.***
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In fact, I think I will head over to R/CFB
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and see what people with TCU flair are saying.
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Yes. And he doesn't seem to be plug-and-play. He wants
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alignment on a somewhat narrow set of values. For instance, we all know he's a bit of a maverick re recruiting, and he won't have a coaching staff split on that issue. That sort of agreement on mission/tactics doesn't happen over the phone.
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I'm trying to figure out when Riley would have ever visited
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the Clemson area. He was a coach at App St in 2019, but we didn't play them that year. He's really never been around this area at all.
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I kinda think you guys get too tweaked about what Dabo says
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in pressers during the season. He's always going to publicly support the people he has in place even if he's looking for their replacement.
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Hey may have brought us to big trophies and A LOT
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of good years, but he also kept on telling us Kyle Parker was a NFL QB AND he refused to start Watson over Cole Stoudt until it was too late.
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I really didn't have a huge issue with promoting from within
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for the sake of continuity, wanting to believe that 2021 was a blip caused by a lot of players not being ready for prime time. I thank Dabo for not giving it one more go with the current staff.
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Stuff like this
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is why there is a 2 hour wait at Walk-Ons.
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lol, why wait
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just walk in and sit at the bar
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Streeter was a fill in for the right guy. Of course if you don't see such a move in Dabo's nature and management style you'd find that hard to swallow.
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Dabo Learned
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That his most admiring supporters will still get royally pizzed when you lose to a Usuc team you should beat by 3 TDs…
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Or maybe he just likes to win
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As much or more than the fan base?
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Notice how our mutual friend didn't have
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a #### thing to say about it.
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Re: Notice how our mutual friend didn't have
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Actually, I will say one in particular was quite ecstatic privately.
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I've only seen the #### and vinegar the past few weeks.
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It was particularly strong when UGA had good moments. Like people forget Kirby doing dumb stuff for a lot of years that maybe cost him a big trophy or two.
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Speaking of Daniel Square, a student was bitten by a fox
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there yesterday (I presume the 4 legged kind). Hope it wasn't rabid.
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I got bitten by a cougar in Goldenwood.***
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Go on...
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This sounds like the beginning to a "Letters to Penthouse" letter
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