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For those of you that will not tolerate complaining about our coaching
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Jan 2, 2025, 11:18 AM
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I really get tired of people saying you don’t know anything about coaching like that’s supposed to be a qualifier? I don’t know anything about how to play any musical instrument and yet I can tell you that just like you when somebody doesn’t know how to play the piano or the guitar. I don’t know how to build a house, but I can look at a house until that it was poorly constructed by the fit and finish. You don’t have to be an expert or have been in a situation to know when a situation is no good. It’s a simple mindedness to think otherwise.
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Youve identified the house is poorly constructed
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Jan 2, 2025, 11:21 AM
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Now, do you tell the builder what he needs to do to correct it?
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Clemson Icon [26996]
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Nope. I just fix it. Got that covered.***
Jan 2, 2025, 12:53 PM
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Re: Youve identified the house is poorly constructed
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:04 PM
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Yeah, actually you can tell them WHAT to do to fix it, even if you don’t know how. Especially if you sit and watch 12 of them being built in a year and watch 48 pro builds a year as well. (The top 4 defensive, err, building teams)
Witness the foundation guys laying block that don’t line up level on the strings while the pro builders are using laser levels to within 1/16” corner to corner. Watch the framers measure and cut boards 1/2” off vs the pro guy yelling at his cut man for being 1/8” off. Nails missing the studs and rafters through the sheathing because they are eyeballing it vs a chalk line being popped dead center.
I could go on for about 1000 different items that simply observing will tell you what the problems are. I’m not a builder, though I’ve built two houses and done major maintenance /refurbs on homes within my family. I’m slow but im accurate. I’m not a pro in any way. Just like I wasn’t a pro at lb in high school.
But I can look at a thousand missed tackles and bad positioning and tell something is very wrong.
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Re: Youve identified the house is poorly constructed
Jan 2, 2025, 3:44 PM
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Being able to tell that SOMETHING is wrong is different that bring able to tell what IS wrong.
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Re: Youve identified the house is poorly constructed
Jan 2, 2025, 4:21 PM
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I’ve already stated: tackling sucks. Players are out of position.
If you want to go deeper into the building analogy, it can be deduced with reasonably high probability that if the tile line in a room is crooked on one wall and straight on the opposing wall that the room isn’t square.
Clemson has talented players on defense according to star ratings. The likelihood that nearly all of them were overrated and can’t tackle is very low. I pick tackling because it’s tangible and quabtifiable. Scheme, etc can be more elusive in dissecting. But as Saban himself said the other day: tackling issues can be fixed. Iirc he said “easily fixed”.
Look, maybe I’m wrong. Maybe WG is the second coming of Venables. Maybe we just have a bad bunch of 4 and 5 star players. But all of the evidence, and reason, points otherwise.
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National Champion [7411]
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exactly this one
Jan 2, 2025, 1:05 PM
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the entire world is ruled by people that can only do one specific task very well
and every successful company was created from nothing by only people that could do one specific task very well
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Dynasty Maker [3181]
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Absolutely I do.
Jan 2, 2025, 1:23 PM
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I caught several items not up to code when my current home was under construction.
I called the builders' fireman's boss when he argued with me. The boss came to the site. I showed him the issues. The foreman kept ranting. Not inky did the construction firm fix the problem, they comped me several upgrades.
With a new fireman, after they fired the original one on the spot.
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Game Changer [1656]
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Re: Youve identified the house is poorly constructed
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:36 PM
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You can tell a builder what needs to be corrected even if you do not know how to do it yourself. The floor needs to be leveled! The leaks need to be fixed. A nonexpert can drill way down into problems and identify what needs to be fixed without a clue about how to get that done.
My Christmas Tree makes a funny squeaky sound. If the squeak is identified you just let the rotweiler run crazy and shut the door on it's way out.
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as a musician, I can tell you that what most people like does not
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Jan 2, 2025, 11:31 AM
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correlate with talent or skill of the musician. Most of the time, it correlates with the marketing company behind the music.
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Re: For those of you that will not tolerate complaining about our coaching
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Jan 2, 2025, 11:32 AM
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Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
The problem with your analogy and the attitude I see from some is they act like they are the expert.
I actually am a singer. I do not play an instrument but I do know the people who play the instruments for my recordings.
No way am I going to tell them that I know more about it than they do..
Yes I can look at a house and tell if the roofs leaking.
I can’t begin to tell you how to build the Taj Ma Hal .
Or a sky scraper.
Wes Goodwin may not have been as successful as any of us liked but I guarantee you that He knows more about football than any of the people who are calling him a failure .
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Re: For those of you that will not tolerate complaining about our coaching
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Jan 2, 2025, 12:51 PM
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Well, hopefully we can get an experienced D Coordinator that can effectively coach and make adjustments. If he met Clemson’s standard or Dabo’s, we wouldn’t be looking for his replacement.
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Re: For those of you that will not tolerate complaining about our coaching
Jan 2, 2025, 1:02 PM
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Actually no, the criticism is valid. I'll take your example of musicians. The guitar player may not be the problem. For example, if the bass player is playing the wrong chords, it's going to make it sound like the guitar players out of tune, but really he's playing it correctly and it's the bass player who's messing up the song. Or, it may sound like the guitar player is offbeat, but really the drummer's out of time, so the drummers really the one causing the problem, but it sounds like it's the guitar player.
That's the problem with deal about criticizing the coaches. People are living in this fantasy land that we still have the same Elite Talent that we did had eight or nine years ago. Our talent level has dropped, and that's causing a lot of the problem. Simply bringing in a new coordinator is not going to fix that.
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Re: For those of you that will not tolerate complaining about our coaching
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:09 PM
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In general bass players are not playing chords. They are mostly playing the root NOTES of those chords. But I know what ya mean.
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Re: For those of you that will not tolerate complaining about our coaching
Jan 2, 2025, 1:13 PM
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this is officially the dumbest post of 2025...
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I enjoy attending SC Philharmonic Symphony performances.
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:53 PM
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Amazing that all of those instruments can come together as they do, with soloists driving key elements, the conductor showing grace and skill, etc. It's an uplifting feeling leaving a performance. Thing is, though, every state has something similar in addition to city-centered outfits like the Boston Pops and NY Philharmonic. And that's just the US. These are in every country across the world.
They're all pros, and there are as many orchestras as there are football teams. Yet, some of those outfits pay their musicians ridiculous sums while others require part-time (or full time) jobs on the side just for the honor. Now be honest and tell me that you would know the difference listening to performances from among the Top 50 and know which was which? Any difference? Which one is the clear-cut top orchestra in the world and which is barely a Top 50? Which one has the million dollar cellist and who has the high school music teacher? As a lay person and non-musician - you likely couldn't.
Was Wes the problem? Was it not having quite the right personnel in the locker room? Was it not having a vocal player leader like a James Skalski out there this year, like we did last season when Wes sported a Top 10 D? Sure, most of us can tell the difference between amateur / newbie musicians and pros and know right away. Anyone can see that a post isn't straight, with negligible effort involved. When it comes to pros among pros, though, the 'obvious' seldom is.
Until this season, Wes' D did not cost a single game that I can point to. This season it did, and for the professionals running these programs who understand the nuances, moving parts, and intricacies at this level - they've seen enough to warrant change.
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Re: For those of you that will not tolerate complaining about our coaching
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:55 PM
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You might be good judge of this or that, but as a fan, you suck.
Lots of us who are totally committed to Clemson, to Clemson football and fully in support
of the best coach in our history, we put real money into the program and the school and
regularly notice problems on the field of play. But we are fans of Clemson and our Tigers
and we do not complain publicly about this or that mistake or lapse in perfection in the games
even while we lament every loss and everything we wish had been done differently. We talk among ourselves and say awshit to other fans who are like us.
Some of us have kids who struck out in high school baseball, who did not earn full scholarships to college and were never admitted to med school. But we don't write on social media that our kids
suck and we wish we could buy better kids. Some of us see all the players and coaches as folks
doing a better job for Clemson than anyone sitting on their butts in the stands and complaining
all the time. We are fans and supporters of everything Clemson in the same way most are fully in support of their own kids.
There are more of us than all the complainers who accentuate the negatives
of a team and the coaches that just posted ten wins, were champions of a 17 team league which includes half a dozen teams who won a Natty somewhere along the road, and whose team made the CFPs for the 7th time. Most Clemson fans accentuate the positives.
But some followers of Clemson just mostly suck.
Go Tigers!!
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TNET didnt get Wes canned. He got canned b/c he wasnt any good.
Jan 2, 2025, 3:25 PM
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And MOST of us could see that and wanted better. Blindly supporting failure isnt being a good fan. In fact, its quite the opposite.
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Re: TNET didnt get Wes canned. He got canned b/c he wasnt any good.
Jan 2, 2025, 3:40 PM
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Burying your head in the sand and trying to make to make the problem have a simple solution doesn't help either.
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I actually did coach FB for many years. I was a good, not great coach
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Jan 2, 2025, 3:19 PM
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Won more than we lost.
The biggest thing that I take from that experience is that most outside of the locker room don’t know squat about what goes into every decision.
For example:
• you have some kids who are terrible practice players but for whatever reason show out on Gameday and vice versa.
• Sometimes the best players need to sit their @ss on the bench and learn a life lesson because their life is more important than a football game. Kinda like when Dabo says “..serving their hearts rather than their talents”
• Sometimes you know a kid is gonna be a great one, but you gotta bring him along slow so he doesn’t pick up bad habits that you know won’t work at the next level.
• Some of the most important players on your team are ones that are all heart but very little talent. Those are the ones you hold up as an example to the talented ones, “…with your athletic ability, it you tried as hard as ——, you could play in college someday”
• One of the hardest things to do is to get your team to play to a standard, rather than play up or down to the ability of your opponent. That’s one of Dabo’s greatest ploys— how much emphasis he puts on playing to a standard
• Motivation is the greatest factor in the outcome of a game. The most fun games I coached were when we beat a much more talented team. A great example of a team with talent but no motivation is FSU.
I have much more to share but this is a little of what I learned.
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You don't thave to be an expert to have an opinion
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Jan 2, 2025, 3:53 PM
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But it helps if you want any 1 to care about your opinion.
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If, as most of us believe, the Venables' era was one of Clemson's very best...
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Jan 2, 2025, 4:02 PM
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times for defense, and, if BV hires Wes to coach his defense would you admit that a professional's opinion holds more value than yours?
What your logic fails to appreciate is that the people who assemble bands are the ones who spot the talent and what you here is a product of their superior ability toward music. Guitar pickers are a dime a dozen in these parts and I've been playing for 53 years.
I also spent a lot of time in construction, hands on, carpentry framing and trim, drywall and paint and have a BS in Construction science. My profile hasn't changed other that my address for the last 16 years. Go check my credentials and compare the 2002 Martin 00028 ec, Eric Clapton, edition to what you're playing and tell me your serious.
As far as carpentry work if the average guy, who hasn't worked in the craft, sees something wrong it's probably represent much deeper concerns like foundations, piers and foundation walls or over all shoddy workmanship or materials. Minor flaws as in something a homeowner can fix won't be found in a well build home. You bought a reject.
I worked with Glouse brothers on and off for over a decade. They are the best carpenters alive today and I know that because I hung and finished sheetrock for them when it was available. Ask anyone in Easley who has been in homebuilding more than 20 years and they will tell you 'Frank and Jerold are the best.'
If Venables hires Wes you're going to look as dumb to everyone else as you look to me right now.
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Re: For those of you that will not tolerate complaining about our coaching
Jan 2, 2025, 4:50 PM
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Since you don’t know anything we don’t need to hear from you…
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