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Front Page Story: To stay, or not to stay, that is the question
Dec 10, 2013, 8:24 AM
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To stay, or not to stay, that is the question
Several of Clemson's juniors have a tough decision to make once the Orange Bowl is over - whether to come back for another season as a Tiger or declare early for the NFL Draft. TigerNet takes a look at those juniors, and weighs in with its opinion. Full Story » |
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All-In [30593]
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LSU's punter declared early???
Dec 10, 2013, 8:29 AM
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and then didn't get drafted...
was he getting advice from LBU?
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Maybe he just wanted to go to the NFL...
Dec 10, 2013, 8:35 AM
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I mean, if he had stayed another year, it's not like he would have been a first-round draft pick.
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Orange Phenom [14935]
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Opening with Shakespeare is a great way to run
Dec 10, 2013, 8:29 AM
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off the Coots and morons (non-Coot variety) on here!
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Paw Master [17658]
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I'm feeling magnanimous
Dec 10, 2013, 7:44 PM
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so I won't TD you for misspelling "morans". 
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Orange Blooded [2227]
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Robert Smith? Not to knock the guy but I do not see the NFL
Dec 10, 2013, 8:35 AM
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upside in this kid. Good college player doesn't usually turn into a "leave early" type prospect.
Bryant, Sammy and Vic will all leave.
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Re: Robert Smith? Not to knock the guy but I do not see the NFL
Dec 10, 2013, 6:11 PM
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That's what I was thinking. And if the worry is that his playing time will decrease because of competition, how do they think he even has a chance in the NFL?
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The LAST person these guys should listen to on this is Dabo
Dec 10, 2013, 8:40 AM
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Dabo has a proven track record of looking out for Dabo on this rather than his players. Just ask:
Boyd: Dabo advised him to stay when he would have been one of the top 3 QBs drafted.
Nuk: Dabo said he wasn't ready but he goes first round.
Kyle Parker: Dabo convinced him to play football one more year and killed his signing bonus with the Rockies.
Bowers: Dabo convinced to continue to play hurt and killed his draft stock.
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Orange Blooded [2227]
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Yeah and your boy spurrier is a saint***
Dec 10, 2013, 8:42 AM
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No saint but far better track record on this***
Dec 10, 2013, 8:45 AM
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Orange Blooded [2227]
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Kind of like Sidney Rice?***
Dec 10, 2013, 8:51 AM
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his statement on Rice was...
Dec 10, 2013, 9:32 AM
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That if he came back he could be the first WR taken next year which would mean more money to him. This was sound advice but he also said he was ok with Sidney going.
He advised Norwood to come back and he improved his stock dramatically.
He advised Alshon to leave early- good advice.
Likewise with Gilmore and Clowney.
He said that Clifton Geathers should stay- he did not take the advice and was a draft disaster.
Spurrier has ALWAYS said that 1st round guys should always go. He usually says the 3rd round guys should stay which IMO is not always the case.
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Orange Blooded [2841]
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Re: his statement on Rice was...
Dec 10, 2013, 12:31 PM
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Ace Sanders left early as well. Didn't understand that decision much but he has had a decent rookie season.
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Re: The LAST person these guys should listen to on this is Dabo
Dec 10, 2013, 10:17 AM
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Says the cootprick!!! I wonder who Slurrier looks out for first. I'm saying he looks out for the bar tender first over anyone!!! The players that usually leave usuc early, leave under the bus where Slurrier has kicked them with that drunken smirk on his face.
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Re: The LAST person these guys should listen to on this is Dabo
Dec 10, 2013, 11:59 AM
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Boyd projected 3rd round last year, prob still in that range.
Nuk well he missed on that
KP - did not kill his siging bonus. He got $1.4M and got to play another year of football. Win win. KP is likely to be at Spring with Rockies this year.
Bowers - well he was hurt and his stock went down but has flopped as a pro. If you or anyone knows for sure what happens then you should be playing numbers in Vegas and not trolling fan boards!
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QB draft last yr set up MUCH better for Boyd than this yr
Dec 10, 2013, 12:19 PM
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1st 3 QBs taken last year:
1st/16- EJ Manuel
2nd/39- Geno Smith
3rd/73- Mike Glennon
This year has Bridgewater, Manziel, Murray, Mettenberger, Bortles, and Mccarron which is a much stronger class. You get paid not only based on what round you get drafted but your draft rank for your position. Boyd could have conceivably been the 1st Qb off the board last year if he did well at the combine. Instead he buried in a deep class of QBs this year. If he is drafted in the same round as last year as you said he will get less $$$ because more QBs will be off the board before he is picked. Even if that last statement were not true, being drafted in the same slot as last year means he lost a year of potential earnings by staying which equals a bad decision. I liken Tajh's position last year to Ace Sanders. Ace Sanders was all he would ever be at the college level- his limitation was his height and that wouldn't change with another year. Tajh's limitation is the question of whether he is a system quarterback or an NFL quarter back. That question wasn't going to be answered by playing another year in the same system. He put up Xbox numbers in 2012 and finished the season with the best game he had at Clemson (including this season as it turns out). He was never more marketable than he was after that LSU game.
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Orange Blooded [2841]
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Re: QB draft last yr set up MUCH better for Boyd than this yr
Dec 10, 2013, 12:52 PM
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There are a ton of quarterbacks but also a ton of teams looking for a franchise guy. I know what you mean when you say there are a lot of guys and he gets sucked up into the mix but a good combine could distinguish that. I agree with the system QB statement, he is, but he also has a lot of talent and could learn to play in a new system. But if he were to go to a team like the Eagles that runs a spread-style offense he would be ok.
As far as the QBs go though, many of them will go to Indy for the combine and a lot of them will be weeded out by poor measurables. I think the top QBs are:
Marcus Mariota (if he left early)
Teddy Bridgewater. He is kind of skinny, he looks like RG3 that runs way less. He will be the first QB taken unless something crazy happens.
Johnny Manziel, He's very short. I saw a picture of Tajh and him together and he was at least 2" shorter than Boyd. I'm not sold on him as a QB at the NFL level but I could be very wrong. He has that "wow" factor that some team will fall in love with. I have said that he will either be a GREAT pro QB or an epic flop at the next level. I never wish poorly on a kid but who knows what will happen.
Derek Carr, he is a great passer, gets no credit because he plays at Fresno State and he throws to a bunch of nobodies against nobody defenses.
Tajh Boyd has height questions. If he measures 6'1" or taller those may go away. He has a great arm and can put good touch on his passes that will get some teams excited. He does struggle against some opponents though. He has beat some great teams and flopped against some great teams.
Zach Mettenberger is underrated, he's grown a lot as a QB. Some team will fall in love with him.
AJ McCarron, always gets the "game manager" label but some teams only need that type of QB. Look at the Patriots in the early 2000s when Brady was the "game manager" for their run game and defense.
Aaron Murray, short and doesn't have a great arm. He put up great numbers in an offense that passes a lot and he started for 4 years. If he doesn't get a chance to start (I think he will) in the NFL he would be a great backup like a Matt Flynn.
I understand what you're saying. But all the QBs bring something different to the table and with like 8-10 teams looking to grab a QB all of those guys will go fairly early I think. Within the first 2-3 rounds.
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Parker's signing bonus was cut in half
Dec 10, 2013, 12:24 PM
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The first contract that a prospect gets is often the ONLY contract they get. Dabo advised that he thought Parker was ready to start in the NFL before that last season at Clemson. Was that accurate advice?
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Re: The LAST person these guys should listen to on this is Dabo
Dec 10, 2013, 3:40 PM
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Saying Spurrier is better at advising his players is a laughable argument. Yes, Clemson historically keeps talent for four years... even some superstar caliber players. Dabo is no more selfish than any coach in the country. The only difference is that Dabo is a coach who not only cares about his players' future careers, but he cares about DEGREES. Spurrier doesn't have a fighting chance to keep half the players on that roster in school to complete their degrees. There is an enormous difference in academic standards to which these teams are held. When Clemson recruits a player, we expect four years and a diploma out of a player. At South Carolina, they expect productivity out of their and at a departure at the moment of eligibility. Spurrier is not good at advising his players at when to leave. He milks them for the three years he gets with them because he knows there is no chance in hell of keeping them around.
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Bryant is the only one with the strongest upside to staying
Dec 10, 2013, 8:43 AM
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Beasley might have a strong upside, too, but it's hard to imagine Beasley not getting picked within the first 3 or at worst 4 rounds. Too many NFL teams need aggressive tacklers this season.
But Bryant has only proven that he is athletic. There are a number of other receivers who have shown more maturity and ability to follow plans. Some may have lower stats (physical and production), but already show high potential and be picked over him. It's a huge risk. Next year Bryant will have serious competition from Peake and Williams and maybe Hopper and will have a chance to bust it and prove he earned one of the starter slots. Put some even better numbers out there and his stock for the 2015 draft looks much better.
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Honestly he is as good as gone (different issues in play)
Dec 10, 2013, 8:45 AM
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Multiple kids, Academics, ect wil be the deciding factor for him.
I would hate to see him get drafted and end up out of the league in 2 years because he was not ready.
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It still doesn't change the upside for him. His risk
Dec 10, 2013, 9:00 AM
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is still high if he doesn't get an early pick leading to a starting position. The burden will be on him to compete at the NFL level for a position or otherwise sit on the bench most of the time. Those are the players that end up moving around and then out in 4 or so years. What will he do then?
Staying and getting his precision skills beefed up is the best bet. But I agree personal factors may play the bigger role in his final decision.
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Orange Blooded [2227]
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Yeah I mean I don't think anybody is going to argue with you
Dec 10, 2013, 9:03 AM
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About what he should do. He clearly needs another year of college football. He was taken out of the game by physical DB's all year.
A great talent but needs to be polished before thinking about the NFL
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There are a number of WRs who will likely enter draft
Dec 10, 2013, 9:13 AM
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who have much better records and will probably do well in combine. Just being a good athlete may not be enough to push him up high in the rankings. Some projections put him at the end or into free agency. Those are like high school rankings to me, but still, I haven't seen any yet that rank him highly in the field of WRs out there.
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I'd agree but am reminded of that WR out of GT 2 years ago
Dec 10, 2013, 9:16 AM
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I can't remember his name but he didn't have great stats in college, due to the triple option, yet when he went to the combine he showed his physical talents and went in the top 2 rounds. I can see the same thing happening with Bryant. He's a freak athlete and while there may be other WRs that have been more productive and have a good set of skills you don't find many 6'5" 4.4 guys that often. A team might grab him just so they have a deep threat, caring nothing about him being a complete player.
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Key word for Bryant - "might". He has a lot to loose
Dec 10, 2013, 9:29 AM
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but a lot to gain given his personal situation.
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I agree with you but "might" just might be all he needs
Dec 10, 2013, 9:47 AM
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I hope he listens to the coaches thought and comes back. I can tell you that he's also hearing that he should leave as well.
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Forget the "ago"...***
Dec 10, 2013, 9:45 AM
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Re: I'd agree but am reminded of that WR out of GT 2 years ago
Dec 10, 2013, 10:32 AM
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Triple option, where a receiver has limited chances to show and prove their skills. There are those cases at the GT's in college FB. If a receiver has that it factor at Clemson, everybody knows about it b/c they have saw it.
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1 word...or is it 2? Heyward-Bey...not a great receiver in
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