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I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
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that we have had this great start to our season largely without two important contributors, Jack Clark and Alex Hemenway.
Clark was our starter at the wing position, and Alex was a key reserve. Unfortunately, neither have played much due to injury.
Their absence is significant, however our team has adjusted well.
We still need these guys to get healthy, and remain healthy overall, to give ourselves the best chance at a historic season.
I'm proud of our team, and am also excited about what lies ahead. Go Tigers!
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I don't understand
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Why do you feel the need to constantly take shots at someone? Luke warm fans? Outside of a very small handful I've seen nothing but praise for our basketball team.
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I'm not "taking shots" at anyone.
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There are plenty of people here who are guarded in their optimism about our basketball team this year.
I see posts daily about "I'm waiting for Lucy to pull the ball away," "Just wait, Brownell will choke," etc.
This team has excelled despite less than ideal situations, and I'd like for our fans to know that. My guess is that many casual fans do not.
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Re: I'm not "taking shots" at anyone.
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I am guarded in my optimism about Clemson basketball and always have been, way before any of us knew who Brad Brownell was (except for maybe JK). But I am still optimistic. That doesn’t mean I don’t follow closely and know stuff like who is injured or not available. Just because some people don’t share your opinions, it doesn’t make them idiots. Some of us don’t just deal in black and white and extremes. To paraphrase what you like to say about football, I can be a Clemson basketball fan and see both the good and the bad things that happen. I can also be constructively critical and optimistic at the same time.
And yes you are taking shots. It’s what you do.
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Its pretty amazing that you think you know my intentions better than I do.
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Dec 11, 2023, 2:55 PM
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It sounds like you need to accept the fact that Clemson has many casual/lukewarm basketball fans. There are various reasons for that, including the fact that some are mostly just Clemson football fans who don’t care as much about Clemson basketball. This results in a lot of ill-informed posts about our basketball program.
I don’t view these people as idiots, or stupid, but rather uninformed. That’s okay, except when they speak as if they are experts or have ridiculous expectations as a result.
My criticisms of our football team this year occurred after we lost games and two inferior opponents at that. These losses were reflective of poor coaching. Nonetheless, I did not use those losses to predict doom and gloom for our season, and in fact, routinely expressed optimism, that we would turn things around. In contrast, people are being negative about our basketball team when we haven’t even lost a game yet. Simply being behind in a game some of our “fans” to lose their minds and call for Brownell to be fired.
Now if we were like the football program and lost games this year to teams we shouldn’t have, then criticism would be warranted.
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Re: Its pretty amazing that you think you know my intentions better than I do.
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Oh, you mean like the #1 NIT seed losing to inferior teams like Morehead State? And according to you, that's due to "poor coaching" (yes, your words---not mine)?
Or what excuse are you going to come up with? This ought to be priceless.
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Re: Its pretty amazing that you think you know my intentions better than I do.
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He’ll spin it somehow. It’s what he does. Like saying I am claiming to know his intent. I don’t know or care about his intent, but the cheap shots he takes at Dabo are dripping with so much jealousy they are hard to miss.
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Re: Its pretty amazing that you think you know my intentions better than I do.
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Dec 11, 2023, 3:25 PM
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He will gaslight all day long. He blames Dabo's loss to Dook as "poor coaching" (his words--not mine). But when Brownell loses to Dook this year, he will blame it on something else. Anything but coaching. Mark it down.
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Exactly. He cant possibly believe the contradictions he posts.
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Dec 11, 2023, 3:42 PM
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Just flat out full of it. Can’t take him seriously when he’s such a disingenuous weasel.
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Well, Clemson has no business losing to Duke in football.
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Dec 11, 2023, 10:22 PM
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When you consider our history, program resources, and significant talent advantage, we should beat them. We definitely shouldn’t lose by 21.
In basketball, Duke shouldn’t be losing to us. However, we beat them last year. That’s an outstanding coaching job by Brownell.
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Re: Well, Clemson has no business losing to Duke in football.
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When you consider our history, program resources, and significant talent advantage, we should beat them. We definitely shouldn’t lose by 21.
In basketball, Duke shouldn’t be losing to us. However, we beat them last year. That’s an outstanding coaching job by Brownell.
Well Men's BB had no business losing to loyola, Louisville, and Morehead state....
See how that works?...
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Re: Its pretty amazing that you think you know my intentions better than I do.
Dec 11, 2023, 5:09 PM
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Who knows what it's gender is. I can't stick with just one.
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Nothing to be jealous of? You mean like accomplishments and being the most
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successful program in Clemson history?
Yup, you’re jealous.
Weasel.
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Why would I be jealous of that?
Dec 11, 2023, 10:24 PM
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I respect Dabo for sure, but I love my life and have no desire to trade places with Dabo.
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Re: Im not jealous of Dabo.
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Yet you continuously whine about the inequities in spending for football and basketball - facilities, coach’s salaries, recruiting budget, yata, yata.
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Its not whining, its pointing out reality.
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Dec 11, 2023, 10:27 PM
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I don’t expect us to spend on basketball like we do football, nor should we.
But I would like to see us get out of the bottom of the ACC when it comes to funding our basketball program. I’m optimistic that is happening with Neff.
It’s silly for fans to expect any program to be a consistent winner when it doesn’t have the resources needed.
Brad has done well with what he’s been given and has earned additional support from the administration. Jeff recognized that early on and has stepped up. It’s about time!
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We shouldnt have lost to Morehead State.
Dec 11, 2023, 5:11 PM
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I don’t think our players were up for it because they were so disappointed by being snubbed by the NCAA selection committee. Still, it was a bad loss for sure.
The difference is that I didn’t let it ruin a great season overall. Many of you did. It’s really weird.
I’m still not sure what that has to do with this year’s team.
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So the coach didnt have them ready to play?
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Obviously not.
Pure coaching fail. Period.
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Re: So the coach didnt have them ready to play?
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Please explain hownit was a coaching fail? The job of a coach is to put his players in a position to succeed during the game. Our 1st team all ACC selection and current nba player went 1-7 from 3. Many of these shots were wide open. PJ Hall, who shot 80% from the free throw line missed 4 FTs in a row included the front. end of 1 and 1's. He has probably never done that in his career.
The fact that you immediately blame on brownell shows you are clueless and probably didn't even watch the game.
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Re: So the coach didnt have them ready to play?
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I’ve decided to ignore JK, CM Shack, and Mountaineers and hit them with downvotes and flags. They have fully exposed themselves as lying trolls only intent on spreading discord. There’s no point in debate.
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You TDed a post about my dead Grandfather...you are a total POS, in
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addition to being a complete liar
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Re: So the coach didnt have them ready to play?
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Ermehgerd! You afe going to give me virtual thumbs down? What will i do? Nooooooo!
If you dont blame every negative aspect of our basketball program on brownell, tyler will ignore you! Thank god!
Bye tyler.
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I love the fact that the guy who constantly trashes the program itself under the
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guise of his Brownell hatred has the nerve to call anybody else a divisive troll...Classic Tylering
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Re: I love the fact that the guy who constantly trashes the program itself under the
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Seems like a lot of work too. How is going put us on ignore and also send us virtual thumbs down? Dude has such a weird obsession. What a loser!
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I dont need an excuse.
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Dec 11, 2023, 5:22 PM
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Losing in the NIT just isn’t a big deal. It doesn’t bother me. It didn’t negate the great year we had last year.
We got outplayed and lost. Period.
Do I think Morehead State was truly a better team than us? No. But they beat us. It happens in college basketball.
And that’s my issue with some people here. Those of you with an anti-Brownell agenda use that to say that he is a horrible coach and should be fired. You act like it’s the equivalent to losing to Wofford in football, even though it isn’t close to being the same.
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Referring to last year as a 'great' year when we couldn't even make a
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NCAA appearance is exactly the kind of loser mentality you've hoisted on Clemson fans for years with your constant pumping of Brad's overall program malaise as something to cheer about, if only we were smart enough and knew better.
I'm as happy as anyone that this blind squirrel seems to be finding a nut this season, and truly hope the season plays out to reflect the potential we've shown to date.
Go Tigers!
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Losing in the NiT is no big deal
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That’s deluded rationalization.
It sucked losing at home as a major seed. It was literally pathetic and there’s no excuse.
This is easily Brads best roster in 14 years. If was good last year and we got beat by Morehead. Totally inexcusable. It IS a big deal especially to those of us who support Clemson sports and especially those who paid to see that crap. If Brad can’t get SOMETHING of note accomplished this year, we’re losing 3 critical seniors and it will back to the same ol same ol again next year.
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The NIT was a no win for Brad in your eyes.
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Dec 11, 2023, 10:32 PM
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If we won, you’d say it’s an awful tournament and gripe about it not being the NCAAs.
We lose, and you act like it was a huge game that we weren’t ready for.
Anything to complain about Brad.
What was your last username on here before this one?
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So we lost because Brad didnt care?
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What a joke you are. So full of crap.
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Re: The NIT was a no win for Brad in your eyes.
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If we won, you’d say it’s an awful tournament and gripe about it not being the NCAAs.
We lose, and you act like it was a huge game that we weren’t ready for.
Anything to complain about Brad.
What was your last username on here before this one?
Exactly. Half of the people that complain about that game didnt even watch it. They have no clue how the game went down and blamed brownell! 100% brownell's fault.
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Re: Its pretty amazing that you think you know my intentions better than I do.
Dec 11, 2023, 5:08 PM
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Every program in every sport has casual, lukewarm fans you idiot, even AL football and Kentucky basketball. Why don't you find it in yourself to admit you a part of the problem with your constant agitation
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There is nothing wrong with casual fans.
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I’m a casual baseball fan. I hope we do well, but I don’t watch most of the games. The extent of my knowledge is based on reading an article about the game.
But you see, I don’t claim to be an expert on Clemson baseball. I don’t bash the coaches and players. I know my limits.
If someone had shared something with me about our baseball team that I probably didn’t know, I would appreciate it rather than getting mad at them and calling them names. But then again, I know how to be humble.
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Yeah right. You dont know much of anything about football either
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But that doesn’t stop you from trying to bash the best program in Clemson sports history.
You are most definitely jealous of the attention the football program gets and when they don’t win national championships you trash everyone from coaches to players.
You’re very transparent. You have a few people fooled, but basically everything you post here is underhanded bullcrap or outright lies.
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Our underachieving football program three years in a row
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has given fans plenty to criticize. Play better and stop losing to teams we shouldn’t, and the “bashing” by fans will go away.
Your hero worship of Dabo and the football program is weird. They are just people, not deities to be worshiped.
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Re: Our underachieving football program three years in a row
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Re: Its pretty amazing that you think you know my intentions better than I do.
Dec 11, 2023, 10:15 PM
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Agree it would help to get those two back but do you really see Jack Clark starting on this team? I haven’t seen him much but frankly wondered why he left NC State. Hemenway always hustles, but again with Girard’s shooting will he see much playing time?
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Yes, Clark is the starter over Wiggins when healthy.***
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Re: I'm not "taking shots" at anyone.
Dec 11, 2023, 5:57 PM
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I am guarded in my optimism about Clemson basketball and always have been, way before any of us knew who Brad Brownell was (except for maybe JK). But I am still optimistic. That doesn’t mean I don’t follow closely and know stuff like who is injured or not available. Just because some people don’t share your opinions, it doesn’t make them idiots. Some of us don’t just deal in black and white and extremes. To paraphrase what you like to say about football, I can be a Clemson basketball fan and see both the good and the bad things that happen. I can also be constructively critical and optimistic at the same time.
And yes you are taking shots. It’s what you do.
Yea Rhett it’s getting pretty predictable with about 4 posters. I’m very guarded as well. Seen this movie before. Hoping it’s different but will not go into a melt down if it does not.
This Morehead St game, and I like how some have started spinning it, was the kind of game that most identify with BB teams. Will beat some teams you think he will lose and then lose games he shouldn’t. There were more games last season that were head scratchers as well as most already know.
When you feel you have been snubbed I would think a coach would use that as a motivator to win the tourney you are in, but did not even make it out of the first round at home.
These post would not even keep getting regurgitated if some would stop prodding those with an opinion differing from theirs.
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ALL college basketball teams win and lose games they shouldnt.
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I’m happens when you play 30+ games a season.
Plus, there are a lot of good college basketball teams. The difference between the 25th best team and the 100th best team is far less than it is in football. Plus; one player getting hot can dramatically change a basketball game, much more than it can in football.
The problem is that many of you look at everything through football lens. You can’t do that.
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Re: I'm not "taking shots" at anyone.
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Particularly after last season's NIT implosion, I see no reason whatsoever to fault fans who prefer to take a "wait and see" approach. Who could blame them? Oh, snap.....that would be you.
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Does that mean that I should expect to see tempered expectations for Clemson FB
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in 2024, given our disappointing results this year?
We both know the answer to that. It will be just like the last two years when there were predictions of playoffs and national championship contention despite not being close the year before.
Carry on with your hypocrisy.
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This is a post about basketball - per the OP. Why are you bringing football
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into it ?
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Re: Does that mean that I should expect to see tempered expectations for Clemson FB
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Well if you had 13 years of data with those results then I would call you smart for tempering expectations. With what has been accomplished in the last decade to each their own on what they set as an expectation but until I see consistent drop off then I expect at the minimum of a NY6 bowl.
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Re: Does that mean that I should expect to see tempered expectations for Clemson FB
Dec 11, 2023, 6:26 PM
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For someone that has all kinds of love for a basketball coach that might win a game in the ncaa every 13 years you should keep you trap shut about the TWO TIME NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP winning football coach. Your judgement about greatness is laughable. NIT …NIT. Oh wait little BB coached his way to a humiliating lose in 1st round as a 1 seed. Wow just wow!! Keep running your trap about football and bb and his boys will lose more and more support!!
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I can say whatever I want about Dat Boy and our football program.
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It’s cute how you defend it though.
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Re: I can say whatever I want about Dat Boy and our football program.
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Your use of Dat Boy as a pejorative here is simply further evidence to what everyone knows, you dislike our FB coach and the rewards his program gets from actual long term results. As compared to 13 years of sub-mediocrity where an NIT is a “great year”
Now go ahead and tell us that you didn’t mean it as a shot at Dabo. Only your other handles will believe you
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Less than ideal situations
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Dec 11, 2023, 3:18 PM
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You’re full of it man! Stop trying to fool people with your underhanded bs.
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What he meant to say
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Dec 11, 2023, 2:08 PM
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Was Lunatic Fringe.
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Re: What he meant to say
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Dec 11, 2023, 2:20 PM
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Attn: One of Cobbox's therapists. See above.
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Re: I don't understand
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Dec 11, 2023, 2:11 PM
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Why do you feel the need to constantly take shots at someone? Luke warm fans? Outside of a very small handful I've seen nothing but praise for our basketball team.
Wondering how you filled your time before you joined T-net five days ago?
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Whose scok is he/she?***
Dec 11, 2023, 2:11 PM
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Re: Whose scok is he/she?***
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Dec 11, 2023, 4:18 PM
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by percentages probably one of yours.
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Re: I don't understand
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Why do you feel the need to constantly take shots at someone? Luke warm fans? Outside of a very small handful I've seen nothing but praise for our basketball team. Wondering how you filled your time before you joined T-net five days ago?
This is the second time you've responded to one of my posts concerning my time on this site. Just as last time thank you for your contribution.
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Re: I don't understand
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Dec 11, 2023, 2:31 PM
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So no answer again?
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Re: I don't understand
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Dec 11, 2023, 2:36 PM
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I have no idea exactly what you're asking or what your beef is with me. I've been nothing but cordial to everyone on here so have a nice day.
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Re: I don't understand
Dec 11, 2023, 5:16 PM
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He is right. We are bandwagon fans in BB. Of course that is the result of years of mediocrity and losing to teams we should not have. We are excited and back on the wagon for now even saying nice things about Brownie
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Years of mediocrity?
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Dec 11, 2023, 5:28 PM
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You mean like the Sweet 16 we went to one year, beating a record number of NCAA Tournament teams another year, and setting a Clemson record for ACC wins another year?
That’s mediocre to you?
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Yes - when mixed in with the other TEN YEARS . . . . and served to us by
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Dec 11, 2023, 5:43 PM
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a milquetoast, doorknob of a leader who is completely uninspiring on any level.
It is the textbook definition of mediocrity at best, and the definition of not very good at all, at worst.
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Delusional. Disingenuous. Denial.
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Dec 11, 2023, 8:58 PM
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The 3 Ds. Congrats.
Oh yeah, divisive too.
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Re: I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
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Dec 11, 2023, 2:07 PM
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Excited to see how they play down the stretch.
I worry about our depth against the big boys but man is this a second half team! Those guys really come out of the locker room and take CONTROL.
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We really need to get (and stay) healthy.
Dec 11, 2023, 2:11 PM
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Our ability to go 10-11 deep will be important. Right now, we are only able to go about 9 deep.
I love how we can get behind early, remain calm, make adjustments, and pull away for wins. That will serve us well.
Hopefully we will eventually learn how to not get behind in the first place. 
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Re: We really need to get (and stay) healthy.
Dec 11, 2023, 2:21 PM
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Yes, why is it that we have to get behind early, to teams like Davidson...what was that one, 20-2 to start the game? Wouldn't it be better to just, you know, not let the other team just out to double-digit leads? What's up with that?
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Re: We really need to get (and stay) healthy.
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Dec 11, 2023, 3:41 PM
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Yes, why is it that we have to get behind early, to teams like Davidson...what was that one, 20-2 to start the game? Wouldn't it be better to just, you know, not let the other team just out to double-digit leads? What's up with that?
Are you new to basketball or are you suggesting we intentionally let the other team get a lead? Yikes either way
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Re: We really need to get (and stay) healthy.
Dec 11, 2023, 4:14 PM
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Maybe Brad should expand Billy Donlon's role to include pre-game talks? He's apparently crushing it assisting with the in-game adjustments. We're batting 75% in one-score games since he came on board versus the 45% range prior, and 6 of our last 6 going back to last season.
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Re: I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
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Dec 11, 2023, 2:13 PM
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Judge, serious question.... How do you think the ACC regular season will shape up for us?
My prediction:
1. Duke
2. North Carolina
3. Clemson
4. Virginia
5. Miami
6. NC State
7. Wake Forest
8. Georgia Tech
9. Pitt
10. Virginia Tech
11. Syracuse
12. Louisville
13. Florida State
14. Notre Dame
15. Boston College
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Re: I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
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Dec 11, 2023, 2:26 PM
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I wasn't asked but I'm not scared of the top two. It's Virginia that's absolutely had our number for a while now.
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Re: I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
Dec 11, 2023, 5:23 PM
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That defense of their takes is out of our game. Hopefully not this year with the firepower from all positions
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Like that one time we played them and LJ had barely anyone at all ? Did
Dec 11, 2023, 5:45 PM
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you dread it so much that you didn't even go - like every other Clemson fan - sans the 16 that actually went ?
Regale us with that lie again - please ? ! ? !
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Great question.
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Dec 11, 2023, 5:25 PM
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I definitely think we are a top 5 team.
Finishing in the top 3 isn’t unrealistic at all. Around there is my expectation.
We are capable of winning the conference, but we have to get healthy and continue to improve.
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Re: Great question.
Dec 11, 2023, 7:42 PM
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Judge, can you fill us in to when Jack Clark and Alex Hemmenway might be ready to play? Do you really think Jack Clark can help us very much? How can we get Chase Hunter to be more aggressive and be a consistent 10+ point per game scoring threat.
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Jack will hopefully be back soon. Alex will probably take longer.
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Dec 11, 2023, 10:29 PM
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Jack was arguably NC State’s best player last year. He can be a real weapon for us with his size, athleticism, and shooting.
Unfortunately, he was injured all summer and was only healthy for a week or so before the season started. That affected his minutes, and then he got hurt again.
I believe Chase will get it together. He’s just in a funk right now. He’s still figuring out how to best play with Girard.
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Re: I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
Dec 11, 2023, 6:27 PM
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Judge, serious question.... How do you think the ACC regular season will shape up for us?
My prediction:
1. Duke
2. North Carolina
3. Clemson
4. Virginia
5. Miami
6. NC State
7. Wake Forest
8. Georgia Tech
9. Pitt
10. Virginia Tech
11. Syracuse
12. Louisville
13. Florida State
14. Notre Dame
15. Boston College
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Watch out for Wake Forest to climb up that top 5. Finally got the big 6-11 center transfer from Gonzaga a former 5 star HS player to be eligible last week and followed that up with 12 its and 15 Rebs in his 1st game in a blow out win over a decent Rutgers. Think they are getting other players back from injury too.
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Tell 'em shill
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Re: I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
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Dec 11, 2023, 2:19 PM
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Good so far, hope they continue to do well.
But we've got those huge games against Queens (NET #242) and Radford (NET #186) coming up. Those are the sorts of games we lost several times last year (Loyola-Chicago) with a very similar roster and staff.
You know what they say, 14th times the charm.
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Re: I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
Dec 11, 2023, 2:19 PM
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We were playing well, and winning, last year when Hemenway was hurt. He came back and we went on a losing streak. Sometimes, upsetting the rotation and momentum of what is working well will have a negative affect.
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Re: I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
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Dec 11, 2023, 3:11 PM
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We were playing well, and winning, last year when Hemenway was hurt. He came back and we went on a losing streak. Sometimes, upsetting the rotation and momentum of what is working well will have a negative affect.
This year the team is getting contributions from Godfrey, Wiggins, and to an extent Beadle that weren’t there last season. They are missing consistency from Chase Hunter that I hope comes along. Girard is picking up the scoring from Tyson, and Hall is playing like 1st team All-ACC where he was recovering from injury last year at this time.
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Re: I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
Dec 11, 2023, 2:26 PM
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How long are they supposed to be out?
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So youre saying the team is deep, and apt to
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Dec 11, 2023, 2:27 PM
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get deeper, just in time for ACC play.
Understood.
I count five ACC teams in T25. Why, then, do I read posts saying the ACC is historically bad?
Five ranked teams from one conference doesnt seem too shabby, given the number of conferences that field strong programs.
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The ACC is still a very good basketball conference.
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The recent narrative about it being “weak“ is more reflection of a few of the teams at the bottom being really bad, rather than the top and middle portions being bad. From about one to 10, the ACC is very strong.
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Re: The ACC is still a very good basketball conference.
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Dec 11, 2023, 3:17 PM
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I think you may have made that up.
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I dunno, man. If the difference between 1 and 7 is two-tenths of a point,
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Dec 11, 2023, 4:28 PM
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feels like you're splitting hairs.
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Thats because ProjectTiger is anti-Brownell.
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Dec 11, 2023, 5:31 PM
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I can guarantee you he had at least one (if not many) prior usernames here and posted the same drivel.
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Well, its my opinion.
Dec 11, 2023, 5:34 PM
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The top 10 teams in the ACC are good. It’s not an easy road against those teams at all.
If you’re relying on NET for your conference beliefs, you should know that the Mountain West was ranked higher than the ACC last year. Do you truly think they were a better basketball conference?
I watch a lot of basketball, and there is no way they were better.
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Re: Well, its my opinion.
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Dec 11, 2023, 8:48 PM
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Might be logged in the wrong account. Paragraph 2 is Clemson Mountaineers verbatim.
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Re: The ACC is still a very good basketball conference.
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unfortunately for your "narrative" the bad teams are every bit as much part of the conference. And your from about one to 10 is both subjective and ambiguous. Are our best 10 better than the say the best 10 from the Mountain West? Certainly. Our 10th best team has a NET of 88 with no teams in the top 10 and 2 in the top 20.
Big 12 - 74 tenth place, 4 top 10, 6 in top 20
Big Ten - 84 tenth place, 1 top 10, 3 top 20
SEC - 91 tenth place, 1 top 10, 2 top 20
Big East - 257 tenth place (only 10 teams), 3 top 10, 3 top 20
Pac 12 - 122 tenth place (12 teams), 1 top 10, 1 top 20
So, if by strong you mean "our 10th place team is definitely better than the Big East or Pac 12's 10th place team" then by all means you are correct. If you mean, the ACC is strong in the sense that it used to be - the dominate conference in college basketball - then you are wrong.
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Rock Defender [53]
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So it's kind of understandable if a basketball team from a football school
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Dec 11, 2023, 7:07 PM
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might always struggle in the most dominant basketball conference in the land.
And, now that the most dominant conference in college basketball has become merely "strong," that the same program from the same football school might finally start seeing some success as the playing field becomes a little more level.
That makes sense. Thank you for fleshing it out.
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Re: So it's kind of understandable if a basketball team from a football school
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I don’t have a problem with that assertion. It’s been my major problem with Brownell. The time is right. And he consistently outperforms in ACC play versus OOC performance which is why he rarely makes the NCAA. Someone alleged we “feasted on cupcakes” before Brownell. Our overall SOS last year was 132 and a non-conference SOS of 302 - the worst I could find in 20 years (where I stopped). I know Brownell is not directly responsible for the quality of his opponents but he is responsible for getting them ready to play. This is the most competitive non-conference slate I can remember since Rick Barnes opened with Kentucky, played top 25 oppponents 3 of the first 7, and played more than half their games against p5 opponents. I’ve argued in the past that he should be more aggressive in his scheduling.
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Re: So youre saying the team is deep, and apt to
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Dec 11, 2023, 5:43 PM
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Historically the ACC has been 1 or 2 most years. Even knew some SEC fans at my work that had an ACC basketball team that they would pull for. ACC tourney was a hard ticket to get. NCState, GT, Wake, Virginia and of course UNC and Duke could all go deep. There were a lot of great players come through the ACC and coaches as well.
We have since added some basketball schools and we are not what we were. People can spin it how they want but old school ACC basketball would not have been EVEN with the SEC in a challenge. Other conferences have gotten better and the ACC is very good but growing up it was almost expected to have an ACC school playing for a national championship. I believe it’s just us old school guys remembering the ACC with 8 teams and being pretty solid from the top through 5-6.
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Now remind us about the 13 previous years.***
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Re: Now remind us about the 13 previous years.***
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Apparently that doesn't matter. Yet paradoxically, last season's epic collapse by the #1 NIT seed against Morehead State was due to "poor coaching" (using the OP"s logic about football losses this season).
Just complete and utter gaslighting.
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You seem really sensitive about football.
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Dec 11, 2023, 5:37 PM
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And more specifically, my opinions about it.
That’s really weird since I’m just a random person on a message board.
If you don’t want to read what I post, you can keep scrolling or even put me on ignore.
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It will be interesting to see what this team can do...
Dec 11, 2023, 3:35 PM
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if they ever manage to put together two strong halves of basketball.
I think it's fair to say they have been a second half team so far this season.
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Re: I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
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And you (yoo) need to except the fact that “lukewarm basketball fans” have been created by years of underperforming and the administration tolerating Brownell. The basketball team is off to a great start, but two good seasons out of 14 doesn’t make up for the 12 years of mediocrity. I’ve always been a huge Clemson basketball fan, but year after year of Brownell has made me pretty apathetic.
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Re: I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
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Look in the mirror and you will see the reason for much of the “lukewarm” attitudes. You come on this board and talk trash about a 3 time national champion football program and then want people to fall over themselves about your beloved basketball team. I cheer for all things Clemson so I have and will continue to support basketball but you have changed my opinions in a negative way. Don’t care that you don’t care but it’s a fact.
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Its not supposed to be my basketball team, its OUR basketball team.
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Dec 11, 2023, 10:46 PM
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Assuming you’re a true fan and supporter, that is.
Football should have nothing to do with it.
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Re: Its not supposed to be my basketball team, its OUR basketball team.
Dec 12, 2023, 11:39 PM
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Then why continue to bring up football and Dabo?
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Re: I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
Dec 11, 2023, 7:10 PM
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Couldn’t care less about what you think I need reminding of, the team will prove who they are and that’s what matters.
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Once you stop becoming a lukewarm football fan...
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Dec 11, 2023, 8:49 PM
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I'll show you some respect.
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Im not seeking your respect.***
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I remain out on Brownell
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Dec 11, 2023, 10:20 PM
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That said, I applaud this year's team for their early success and all the Tiger fans and alums who support Clemson University. Best wishes to this 2023 team for a successful season ...
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Thats fair, Im sure you have good reasons.
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Dec 11, 2023, 10:48 PM
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It’s cool that you’re still able to enjoy the games and support the team, even if you would prefer a new coach.
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Re: Thats fair, Im sure you have good reasons.
Dec 12, 2023, 9:14 AM
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Brad is Rad!
Vote Brad for President 2024!
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Re: I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
Dec 12, 2023, 2:18 AM
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Glad the team is doing well. I'm just not a fan of watching basketball. If they make it to the big dance then I might watch when no other sports are going on.
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CU Guru [1674]
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Re: I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
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Dec 12, 2023, 9:12 AM
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Any idea on timeline of Jack and Alex being able to play?
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All-In [46574]
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Re: I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
Dec 12, 2023, 9:13 AM
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Brad for president! 👀
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110%er [9184]
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Is he related to Luke Combs?***
Dec 12, 2023, 1:40 PM
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Orange Blooded [4820]
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Re: I would like to remind the lukewarm basketball fans here
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Dec 12, 2023, 9:56 PM
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Why can’t you just be happy and let people think what they want? It’s a forum for ideas for gds sake.
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CU Medallion [65514]
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Timeline for the return of either, or are both out for the duration?
Dec 13, 2023, 7:49 AM
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I am not plugged in to the inner workings of the program in any way, so enlighten please.
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