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All-TigerNet [5909]
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Clemson and NIL
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Jul 2, 2024, 10:30 AM
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This is a yes or no type question. Do you want the 110 Society to pay a football player recruit upfront to select Clemson?
It appears that Clemson is currently spending the NIL money to keep existing players on the team. I imagine that Mafah cost a pretty penny to keep.
I like Dabo’s approach. Right now it is one of the other. There is no gray area here.
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CU Medallion [20842]
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Eventually that strategy is not sustainable.***
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Jul 2, 2024, 10:45 AM
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Orange Elite [5565]
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Re: Clemson and NIL
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Jul 2, 2024, 10:51 AM
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I prefer the way we're doing it now - having a player earn his NIL through great effort and results as opposed to the player demanding money before he's played a single down in CFB.
We're having trouble primarily with OL recruiting. I think the 5* OLs want one of three things - or all three:
* Immediate playing time (probably the least demanded)
* Immediate NIL $
* NFL draft choice
We require some positive results in order to earn NIL $, but if we show that present OL players are fairly paid, this should not be a major concern.
We have not been the best school for OL players to get drafted. This needs to improve - especially if OL prospects realize there's no upfront $, no guaranteed playing time and little chances of a future payoff in the NFL.
If we can have a few OLs drafted, it will improve our recruiting, since recruits could see that our coaching/development is good enough to get them:
* Early playing time
* Early NIL
* Good draft chances
Build it - they will come.
I think that approach is much better than having a team of self-serving mercenaries.
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CU Medallion [18371]
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Re: Clemson and NIL
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Jul 2, 2024, 1:06 PM
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Yep, we aren't close to being OLU. DLU, LBU, DBU and at one time WRU...yes. OL and TE and even consistent RBs are lacking.
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Dynasty Maker [3350]
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Re: Clemson and NIL
Jul 2, 2024, 3:45 PM
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I think there’s a 4th factor beginning to form. The ‘25 class is really the first where the formation of the P2 is reallity. These incoming players will see the benefit of the media revenue share and those are the two conferences that will be paying the agreed roster amount plus NIL $$$. The ACC is dead with regards to football relevance and only FSU has been vocal enough to not have others be effective with negative recruiting on that issue.
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Rival Killer [2902]
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Re: Clemson and NIL
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Jul 2, 2024, 11:13 AM
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You have to work out nip deals to get top recruits.
What would you recommend to your son?
1. Go to texas and get 100k a year and a truck.
2. Go to Clemson and get minimal nil money, but you get to play for dabo.
####, what would you choose when looking for jobs? 2 similar companies, but one offer is 50k more annually?
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98773]
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Agreed. I'm all for working out nip deals.***
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Jul 2, 2024, 12:24 PM
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MVP [521]
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Jul 2, 2024, 1:15 PM
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Just wait until they are also employees paid a wage.
Then consider if there is anyone or any place in the NFL (which is what CFB will be) so valued by players that they are happy to play there for much less because of the culture.
What we have/had was/is great. It's unique. Vintage classic college football. And we can keep it. And I think we should.
But will it compete with the Texas, OSU, UGAs of the world? Time will tell. At least some of the money has always been there. Only now it will be out in the open.
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DIRE FABO!!!!!!!!!!!***
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Jul 2, 2024, 11:54 AM
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Re: Clemson and NIL
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Jul 2, 2024, 12:16 PM
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the super conferences will take care of much of chaos
a player will sign a contract with a conference to get the NIL payment
will have some controls on movement to stabilize the teams
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All-TigerNet [5807]
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Re: Clemson and NIL
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Jul 2, 2024, 12:20 PM
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An issue is that the big NIL schools have enough cash that they can pay guys big money who never see the field. This gives them depth but also serves to keep those players off competing teams. It's basically a rehash of the old days when Alabama would take tons of extra players just to keep them away from the competition. Clemson obviously doesn't have those resources.
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Clemson is much better off than you would think
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Jul 2, 2024, 12:27 PM
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We have a lot of Clemson fans with deep pockets, Clemson faithful fans are well endowed! 🏀🏀
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Orange Elite [5395]
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Yes, thats why I donate to 110 Society!
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Jul 2, 2024, 1:23 PM
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I didn’t set up recurring donations for it to be a retention fund. It should be leveraged in all aspects (recruiting, transfer portal, and retention).
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Orange Blooded [2259]
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Wouldn't you want kids that want to come to Clemson? Not for the $$$
Jul 2, 2024, 1:41 PM
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Seems that would be easier way to keep players. Instead of the ones that chase $$$ from the beginning, they would be less likely to be loyal and more likely to chase NIL elsewhere.
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Paw Master [17844]
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I would imagine we do a little bit of both.
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Jul 2, 2024, 1:42 PM
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Dabo has never stated to my knowledge that NIL is not available for incoming HS recruits. His words have been to the effect that we don't lead with that and that our NIL opportunities are greater as you contribute to the program. If NIL and getting that $$$ coming in is a higher priority, we're not a good fit together.
The wild card here that's overlapped with more recruiting misses these past few years and some less than stellar on-field results to follow has been how Covid and in-person restrictions hampered the intangible analysis that has separated Dabo from the rest. Our '23 class was the first back from that, and through the season we saw some great things begin to take shape. I'm seeing the same in this '24 class, and though we've missed on some targets this past month for '25, we have a great nucleus there now in what is going to be a smaller group than we've seen in a while thanks to our player retention.
Dabo has a knack too of snagging excellent talent late in a recruiting cycle, another reason I don't fret over missing out on targets at this stage.
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Game Changer [1909]
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Re: I would imagine we do a little bit of both.
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Jul 2, 2024, 3:03 PM
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My order of priority for NIL would be retain your talent, portal a gap, then HS recruiting. This way, you're getting a bit more of a guarantee on results given you have applicable results to value. There is NOTHING keeping any of these HS recruits from taking the money to sign, then portaling out when they feel like it (see Quinn Ewers). I'd rather we bring in a hired gun as a 1-2 year player through the portal or retain a Clemson man for sure. I recognize we've yet to get a portal guy as of now but we have offered.
BTW, I agree that we are definitely showing what kind of NIL opportunities are there for freshman and I presume the TJ Parker's and PWoos are sharing how it worked for them...
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Orange Beast [6358]
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paying anybody is disruptive. I would think paying an existing player is
Jul 2, 2024, 3:29 PM
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Less disruptive to team chemistry, but perhaps not.
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