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I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
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thought it was too obviously crazy for them to do. I was wrong wrong wrong. I knew (and agreed with) them giving special status to SEC teams in the past. But they have done nothing like this before.
They actually took a giant crap on college football. They actually turned football into gymnastics. Deciding with judges instead of actually sticking with established metrics. They were fundamentally inconsistent and overtly hypocritical.
They chose to take Florida State's season.... and judge it worthless; exactly like it never even happened. This is the most awful college football decision in my lifetime. This is worse than any BCS decision. This is on another planet from any previous playoff selection controversy. This isn't choosing among 1 loss teams.... This is saying an undefeated power 5 conference champion with a high-end out of conference schedule
This is the committee having the nerve to assert their predictive power over actual football games. Every other year I have agreed with their top 4. They got it right every year previous imo. This is insane. They didn't pick the top 4 teams. They didn't pick the teams that earned it. They did neither. They twisted and turned and made a disaster.
The big winner is that all arguments against the 12 team playoff have been made null and void. Because they committed the sin of a 12 team playoff but only needing a 4-team playoff to do it. The sin of discounting the importance of every game.
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
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I 100% agree with all you said --- in my opinion, if they gona put Bama ahead of Florida State, they got to put Georgia ahead of em too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They did pair them in a bowl, and the only thing I can do is pull 1000% for Florida State to some how kick Georgia's AZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, but without Travis, it will be a tall order. That CFP Committee ruined all of college football forever more****
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
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The ACC got what it asked for. We could have had an expanded playoff right now. But they went against it b/c they got in their feels about the SEC making a move on UT/OU. The great ACC/B1G/P12 partnership was born to fight the evil SEC. These are folks you all are trusting to map out your conference affiliation in the future. Good luck!
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Why would a Gamecock even speak about playoffs?
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Dec 4, 2023, 4:10 PM
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You guys are completely irrelevant to the discussion. Next time ask permission from a relevant program before running your mouth.
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They like to watch real football teams on TV***
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which has led...
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to them having to pay the racist loudmouth, WBB HC $3mil a year to coach a sport that didn't produce revenue before they gave her the raise–the headaches and the cloud of ignorance she brings to Gamecock athletics will rarely if ever be mentioned by the press or known to the public but I can imagine it is quite significant and detrimental–
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
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Dec 4, 2023, 4:11 PM
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And the committee ONLY applied their crystal ball rule regarding the starting FSU QB injury to FSU (and no other team was demoted because of player loss) AND they only did it yesterday because they needed to get the SEC in. They decided that FSU was #4 a week ago knowing everything they already knew but demoted them yesterday for a reason they already knew.
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It's proven by logic that they were lying. They disprove themselves.***
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Re: And the head of CFP committee
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Dec 4, 2023, 6:31 PM
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Exactly. There’s a lot of ACC influence on the committee. They did their jobs.
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
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Dec 4, 2023, 5:38 PM
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Did any other team lose a Heisman caliber QB? Nope. It’s not a crystal ball. The world got to see what a FSU team without Travis looked like and it sucked. You want to be upset with someone be upset with Norvelle for having nothing behind Travis. The fact of the matter is if they showed any life whatsoever against a terrible Uf defense, and an average at best Lou defense, they’re probably in.
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
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Dec 4, 2023, 5:45 PM
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Uh, FSU had already lost their #1 QB but last week the CFP committee gave FSU a #4 ranking with the #2 QB at the helm. So what changed? Nothing. Try again.
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
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Dec 4, 2023, 6:05 PM
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I don’t mind them staying ranked at 4 when he got hurt. You have to at least give them a chance to retain that spot. However, I don’t think there should be any rankings until the final. UGA hadn’t lost a game in 3 years, was #1 all year, and finally loses one to #6 by 3 points. And they drop to 6? But this debate is the entire reason for the rankings. So it’s a moot point.
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
Dec 4, 2023, 6:14 PM
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Just what I thought. No explanation why the CFP had them ranked #4 even with the backup in place and even after the backup had played a game. Speaking of "giving a chance"....no chance given to FSU with the same #2 QB (in their #4 ranking) plus a month to get ready for the bowl game.
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
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There’s no way possible you watched FSU in those last 2 games and thought they were better than Bama. It’s not logical.
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
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Dec 4, 2023, 8:27 PM
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I watched most of the games Bama played including the last 2 of which it took an act of Congress, gawd and a lucky horseshoe place where the sun don't shine for Bama to pull off a one in a million win against a mediocre Auburn team. Guessed you either missed that lucky Bama moment or were awe inspired by two pitiful looking teams.
I think it says something about a team that is deep enough to win with their 2nd and 3rd string QBs. That was one heck of a defense out there in that last game. Natty caliber defense. Defense wins games.
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
Dec 5, 2023, 12:19 AM
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We can do this all day…what about FSU almost dropping a game against BC, WITH Travis.
They both beat up LSU. Bama also beat top 10 OM by 2 TDs, top 20 UT by 2 TDs, beat #1.
The Clemson used to know would be laughing their butts off at FSU bc they hated them so much. What happened to y’all??
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
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Dec 5, 2023, 10:41 AM
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It's not about FSU. It's about principles. No one on here likes FSU.
But, we know USuC fans are the biggest homers of the SEC because coots live vicariously through the SEC because the coots have nothing else.
One of the biggest questions of the universe that Clemson fans wonder about is why anyone would want to be a gamecoot fan. It makes no sense. I mean, bad decisions are made by people all the time but still it's weird anyone would voluntarily support the coots when given much better options. Maybe you can shed some light on this topic. This is not a personal attack on you and not questioning you personally but overall and in general the rest of the coot fans. What gives?
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
Dec 5, 2023, 1:32 PM
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What principles?? Their criteria are clearly stated on their website, and they followed them to a T. Part of their criteria is to consider major injuries and how they might impact the game. If the Travis injury impacted the UF game to that magnitude, and the Lou game to that magnitude, one could pretty safely surmise that it would have been an even greater impact against Mich, Wash, and UT.
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
Dec 5, 2023, 4:30 PM
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Exactly, what principles? The foundation of the CFP committee is eSECpn and $$$$. Don't be naive!
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
Dec 5, 2023, 5:06 PM
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I'm not being naive. They literally followed the guidelines that have been there since the beginning. It was never set up for the 4 most deserving teams to get in. Humans are deciding who the best teams are based on a lot of data points...one of which being injuries to key players.
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
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That is just accepting the narrative. Every team that believed in results over eye test would have played conservative with a new QB and only 1 week to prepare him. Further, assuming FSU would look like they did in the ACCCG with an additional month of practice is a bad assumption. Not only that, it is contrary to the precedent the CFP Committee set in ‘17.
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
Dec 5, 2023, 1:35 PM
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lol. Yeah, either one of those guys were going to progress enough in a month to actually compete with Mich. Come on...there's no way you really believe that.
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
Dec 5, 2023, 3:59 PM
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Take a look at Jaden Milroe game 1 vs game 4 and tell me he was not much improved. Regardless, whether either of us are right are wrong, those are opinions and projections. The objective metrics (SOR & common opponents) do not support a Bama is better narrative.
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
Dec 5, 2023, 4:09 PM
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Uh, Bama had the #5 SOS, FSU had #55. The FSU SOR was 3, Bama was 4. Bama had a higher FPI and higher game control score. So I'd disagree that the metrics don't support. They actually don's support FSU getting in, as they shouldn't.
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
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They could have very easily made a case on leaving Texas out. Weaker conference. Many forget that Bama gave Texas 10 points off turnovers. That k-state elected to not go to double ot and went 4th and goal from the 5. Texas wasn't that impressive.
I clearly do understand Bama getting in. But it's not like Texas was that impressive. They lost to a marginal top 15 team.
I know nobody wants to hear it, but we were a lot better than most 3 loss teams and definitely better than any 4 loss team.
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
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But it was a package deal. You can't get Bama in without Texas because Bama's only loss was to Texas. Ergo Texas and Bama move from #7 and #8 to #3 and #4, respectively while FSU drops from #4 to #5 for no other good reason than in the ACCCG FSU used their 3rd string QB instead of the 2nd string due to concussion protocol.
How can you explain such a huge jump by Texas in a game they were favored to win other than the CFP had no choice if they wanted to get an SEC team in. FSU penalized for what? What happened to FSU from November 28th poll (#4 rank) to December 3rd (#5 rank)? Nothing new happened other than FSU won the ACC championship and is undefeated.
https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2023/11/1/wk-x-wk-rankings-2023.aspx
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
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Completely agree, SEC was down this year and deserved to be left out. Their best non conference win was Kentucky over Louisville. ACC went 6-4 and FSU curbstomped lsu. Bama almost lost to a bad Auburn team.
I wonder if FSU looking at legal route or might be more ammo to leave ACC.
What a travesty
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Counter Argument
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1) Is the ACC still a P5 conference? In football, even many Tnetters would debate this point. With Clemson down in 2023, FSU needed OT to beat a team beaten by Duke, NCSU and MIA. Besides a good OOC early win vs. LSU, you are correct, FSU's season was discounted by SEC and B1G media (meaning all media) as very good but not great.
2) The SEC has won 14 of the last 18 natl championships. It matters. The best players, especially in the trenches, go to SEC schools because of this track record which self perpetuates.
3) FSU and Clemson want more than anything to leave the ACC and join the SEC or B1G. It's for the money. It's public knowledge. Recruits know this. Opposing coaches know this. It matters. It marginalizes the ACC.
4) Vegas had FSU and their backup QB's as large underdogs vs. any potential 2023 playoff opponent. It mattered to the selection committee. (Those comparing FSU backups to Cardale Jones and his 2300 passing yds and 150 QB rating at Ohio St are making a straw man argument).
5) Yes. ESPN/SEC (due to on-field track record) and the Fox Sports/B1G (due to TV fan base) call most of the shots. The ACC, especially with Clemson dormant, call none.
6) This was not the Committee asserting their power. This was ESPN and Fox Sports asserting their power and the Committee bending on their knee to kiss the network's ring.
You're a great Tiger fan, Completely Solid Orange. Usually, I'm right there with you on Tiger Football perspective. This time I believe you're lamenting the end of the ACC and the end of an era. Most college football fans believe the Committee got it right. The playoffs go to 12 teams next year, but the ACC has been judged unfavorably as you correctly state. Wake, UVA, Syracuse, Ga Tech, one-year Duke, middling Va Tech and slowly improving Miami have been successfully branded as scrubs after half-hearted football efforts for a decade. It's impactful.
We know Clemson will return and emerge. Go Tigers!
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Re: I was wrong about the CFP committee. They did something unprecedented and I
Dec 5, 2023, 1:25 AM
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Completely solid, orange mentions “established metrics”
what metrics?
Please show evidence of how they were established?
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From the CFP's own website....
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Proposed Selection Process:
Establish a selection committee that will be instructed to place an emphasis on winning conference championships, strength of schedule and head‐to‐head competition when comparing teams with similar records and pedigree (treat final determination like a tie‐breaker; apply specific guidelines).
The criteria to be provided to the selection committee must be aligned with the ideals of the commissioners, presidents, athletic directors and coaches to honor regular season success while at the same time providing enough flexibility and discretion to select a non‐champion or independent under circumstances where that particular non‐champion or independent is unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country.
When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:
Championships won
Strength of schedule
Head‐to‐head competition (if it occurred)
Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory)
We believe that a selection committee of experts properly instructed (based on beliefs that the regular season is unique and must be preserved; and that championships won on the field and strength of schedule are important values that must be incorporated into the selection process) has very strong support throughout the college football community.
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