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I threw Wes under the bus a bit, a typical overreaction by me.
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Dec 30, 2023, 7:58 PM
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I need to do better.
However, this bowl season, the bowl games are just confirming what I hoped isn't true. We are simply not keeping up with the big boys.
Those big boys are now all in the SEC—Alabama, UGA, and the up-and-coming Ole Miss.
Our QB, OL, and secondary situation is dire. In some ways, the WR situation is dire too. We are simply a shadow of the great teams during our run.
I guess I need to let go of the glory years. I think we can consistently be in the mix of a 12 team playoff birth, but I just don't see us being a contender next year or the next.
If someone thinks so, then I'd love to hear their opinion because, Lord knows, I want to be wrong.
Go Tigers!
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The best is yet to come....
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:00 PM
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Coot 😉
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hahaha....yeah yeah yeah ;-)***
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:00 PM
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Re: hahaha....yeah yeah yeah ;-)***
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:55 PM
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OL.
Our final 4 games with RG position performance was not good. Our OL, with the lineup (left to right) being:
Leigh, Tate, Putnam, Parks, and Miller is not awful. Miller is below average in pass protection, but fine in run blocking.
We have one really good backup in Sadler. P.Howard and H.Sewell are OK as emergency backups, but neither are the caliber of player that we need on OL to have a high performance offense. (Maybe Sewell will get better; as a true FR starting late in 2023 season, what can we reasonably expect?)
Much of what was blamed as being poor overall blocking by the OL was bad blocking by our TE unit (with Ennis being the exception). Briningstool is, let’s be honest here, an awful blocker. Our R.FR TE J.Sapp was indistinguished here, but that is usually the case with FR. Our true FR TE’s were lousy at blocking, as expected.
Our RB position was erratic at pass blocking. Shipley improved a bunch in this area; he has become an average pass blocker. Mafah was an average pass blocker last year; he seemed to get worse this year. Blitz pickup by the RB’s was a skin-crawling thing to watch.
(*). In summary, our starting OL unit, had they all been able to play the full season, was actually pretty good. Sadler was the only reliable backup, better at Guard than Tackle, but that’s usually the case (because pass blocking by a Tackle is harder than pass blocking by a Guard).
(**). For 2023, we need … blocking, blocking, blocking:
(1) a new (and good) center to replace the excellent play by Putnam. (Fingers crossed that a competent Center will emerge for 2024 season.)
(2) Leigh, Tate, Parks, and Miller to all stay healthy & improve as expected with their previous experience as a foundation for improvement.
(3). TE’s that run block.
(4). RB’s that pass block well.
Why not be optimistic heading into 2024? All of the above will get fixed, and our offense (QB’s, WR’s, TE’s, help from young RB’s, and year long PK being improved … as should be the case with the additional experience) will be entirely different from 2023’s putrid performance.
Miller toa
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LOL
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:01 PM
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please go on and on and on and on
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#### dude, the sky
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:01 PM
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Falls all year long on you?
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Ring of Honor [22109]
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AThomas if you have a different opinion then say it.
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:02 PM
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Otherwise, it's just blah blah blah. How am I wrong?
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Wouldnt toss Bama or ole miss in there
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:03 PM
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Penn state is a joke and Bama might get housed…. UGA is the only one with any playoff gripes
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Ring of Honor [22109]
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True, Penn State is a joke.
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:05 PM
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But man, Ole Miss has good play calling, good QB, solid defense. I could go on and on; they would beat us.
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Re: True, Penn State is a joke.
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Dec 30, 2023, 9:08 PM
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Ole Miss (this year’s them vs this year’s ours) would beat us like Fred Flintstone vs a baby seal.
I’m confident that our 2024 team (on offense) will be truly good … unlike this past season’s putrid 7nit.
Our 2024 team’s defense unit will take a step back. Losing a first round NFL CB (Wiggins) is not replaceable for next year’s team. Just like, in 2022 season, we could not replace the superb play from 2021 season’s Andrew Booth. A super stud CB (which includes the height / length -plus- speed) that Wiggins and booth possessed is not something that we will have on our 2024 roster.
LB will be weaker, but still quite good. DE will be weaker, but hopefully OK if P.Woods can play a bunch of snaps and if true FR Darien Mayo can provide some quality PT contribution (I.e., somewhat like what T.Parker provided this year.
We should be very good at safety. Competitive with any of this year’s CFP teams. Ditto with DT position.
Overall, I am expecting us to reach the 12 team CFP for next year. I’ll be truly disappointed if this doesn’t happen next year, whereas I had no expectations for us to make the 4 team CFP of 2021, 2022, or 2023.
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I listened to a lot of that game on the radio today
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Dec 30, 2023, 9:51 PM
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The OC, Charlie Weiss jr, said that Lane sees things in real time no one does, like none he’s ever seen in real time. He can see a mismatch, and I’m paraphrasing and not giving full credit for what he meant, in real time and exploit it, similar to someone with a photographic memory. Lane might be the most brilliant offensive coach in the game, that insight was really cool to hear and helped me process his brilliance.
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He's a good coach, my brother is a Florida fan and in pining for him!***
Dec 31, 2023, 6:11 AM
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Re: I threw Wes under the bus a bit, a typical overreaction by me.
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:06 PM
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I think you are going to have to come to terms with the fact that it's simply harder to be elite than it is at Alabama, Georgia, Ohio St., and the usual suspects. They simply have more resources.
Can it be done? Certainly. I think the guys coming in next year, particularly at receiver are a good start. However, the fact still remains that it's simply more difficult here than the gifted few blue bloods, and firing everybody and benching everybody is not gkingvto change that.
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Ring of Honor [22109]
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Agree 100%.***
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:18 PM
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Re: I threw Wes under the bus a bit, a typical overreaction by me.
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:54 PM
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Pretty sure that we were at the top of the heap and THE elite team in 2018/19. Even the dreaded ESPN bozos were saying as much then. The only constant in life is change. We did not adapt to change well, had some echo chamber syndrome, made several missteps and have fallen a few notches. Still a proud program with a better roster than most. But we are not on the same tier as the small group of elite teams now.
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Re: I threw Wes under the bus a bit, a typical overreaction by me.
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Dec 30, 2023, 9:06 PM
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BigTig,
We had generation QBs to get us to the mountaintop. Sorry brother, but I don't see any of those on our roster.
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Re: I threw Wes under the bus a bit, a typical overreaction by me.
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Dec 30, 2023, 9:18 PM
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We were also profoundly fortunate in the years of 2015 through 2018 seasons that there were very few serious injuries. For example, we had very little depth at OL in 2015; very little depth at DE in 2016 (Wilkins played DE that year); 2017 was a deeper team, also few injuries, but no superstar at QB; 2018 was our dominant year from both across the board quality and some depth … and also few injuries.
2019 season’s team was arguably our second most pure talent team in our history, but LSU was simply unreal.
Since the start of 2020 season, we have had key injuries and decreasing quality of depth. Starting with 2021 season, the quality of our offensive unit (across the board) was worse … except for PK. Clemson can’t win big in these scenarios, even if we had another D.Watson and a super stud WR.
So here we are.
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Re: I threw Wes under the bus a bit, a typical overreaction by me.
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:08 PM
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I don’t think it’s an overreaction. Both lines of scrimmage weren’t good. Our OL gave up 8 sacks and Our DL had 2 with little pressure. We’re not built like we used to be.
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Tell 'em 5-7 coot, no one knows losing better than you
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:11 PM
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lol
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Re: Tell 'em 5-7 coot, no one knows losing better than you
Dec 30, 2023, 8:17 PM
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You cut and paste that a lot! Don’t be an A&&Clown! How about saying something productive or question the facts.
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Tell 'em 5-7 coot, no one knows losing better than you
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:49 PM
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LOL
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Coaching changes / player leadership can change things
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:10 PM
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You’re right, this year’s team couldn’t and didn’t compete for a national championship. Hopefully the coaching change at Oline, the addition of Rumph, and less “misses” recruiting will be steps in getting us back to that level.
Reality was that with a slightly better and more efficient offense, our Defense was still at a level we could have been competitive with anyone.
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Re: Coaching changes / player leadership can change things
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Dec 30, 2023, 9:20 PM
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An elite Qb will be needed. I'm not sure we can afford one with the way college has become.
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Re: I threw Wes under the bus a bit, a typical overreaction by me.
Dec 30, 2023, 8:47 PM
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Is there no way we can ban this coot?
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Re: I threw Wes under the bus a bit, a typical overreaction by me.
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:56 PM
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All good.
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Hey PBT (really wish you'd change that to PBR...has a nice
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Dec 30, 2023, 8:56 PM
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ring to it!) Please do this old Tiger a slight favor, and let me enjoy a few months to regain my composure while allowing my heart to repair! lol
I know how the landscape has changed, but I couldn't count the numbers of times over many years when pundit after pundit claimed we couldn't compete with the so-called "big boys," even during our runs in the CFP. What I'm going to do is rely on the man who led us to the Promised Land, not once but twice, to work his magic - - - again. Yes, we've got a lot of tweaking needed, but then again, we needed the same leading right up until that January 2017 national title.
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Thanks for the nice post. Pacific Beach R? What could R be?
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Dec 30, 2023, 9:37 PM
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I am hopeful and believe that Dabo can work his magic. He's just too loyal to these bad QBs lately. I don't know. I hope you're right.
Friday was crazy. I think I have PTSD.
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Re: Thanks for the nice post. Pacific Beach R? What could R be?
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Dec 30, 2023, 9:39 PM
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It’s all good! Part of me thought you were just messing with us.
PACIFIC BEACH TIGER®
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Just seeing all those wide open receivers....ugh...no but Wes has done a good ..
Dec 31, 2023, 6:17 AM
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job.
He is pretty decent hire.
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Yeah but would have to change it to Pacific Beach Rabbit...***
Dec 31, 2023, 6:18 AM
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Re: I threw Wes under the bus a bit, a typical overreaction by me.
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Dec 30, 2023, 9:08 PM
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But and However after an admission or apology are words that mean you really didn’t mean what you said…
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Ring of Honor [22109]
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Not exactly....just means that there is something behind it but it might have..
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Dec 30, 2023, 9:47 PM
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been too strong of a reaction.
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Re: I threw Wes under the bus a bit, a typical overreaction by me.
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Now that was a rational well thought out poast. I agree we are not in position to challenge for a national championship any time soon, but we are also not a bad team. We'll challenge to get in the playoff each year, but some major victories on the recruiting trail will have to take place before we challenge for another national championship.
Go Tigers!!! Beat Georgia!!!
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Exactly Pig!
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Dec 30, 2023, 9:49 PM
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We need to win some of these battles. I get that Dabo does things the right way, and it is what it is.
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Allow me to spread a little bit of hope as a late Christmas present.
The 2023 season is done, and in the same way wins don’t carry over through a season loses don’t as well. Our record is now 0-0.
Winning the conference is very much in our reach. FSU will not be as good next year and I expect our offense to be better even if Shipley or Mafah go to the NFL
Our main problems in the bowl game were in the secondary and if any coach has shown he can develop players it’s Coach Reed.
We’ll be favored in every game we play next year besides Georgia.
The best thing about the extended playoff is that winning the conference automatically gets you in. From there it’s just survive and advance.
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Thank you!
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Dec 31, 2023, 6:07 AM
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And there is a chance that Cade develops.
You're right about Reed, he's quietly one of our best coaches.
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For us to get back top 4 elite status we need that elite Qb
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Dec 31, 2023, 9:01 AM
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That is a huge piece to the puzzle.
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Dabo said that Cade is elite (or will be). I wish I had his optimism.***
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