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Shoot me if you want
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but I still believe in Dabo and this team! Are we snakebit this year? I don't know. Seems like it. Never have I seen a team with as many fumbles inside the five yard line as I have with this team. The three games we have lost, we still could have won.
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Sure we were a 2 or 3 plays from being undefeated
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but also 2 or 3 plays from being 2-5
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Re: Sure we were a 2 or 3 plays from being undefeated
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And I believe 2-5 would make you happier just so you can beach some more.
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Not true at all. What would make me happier is everyone, including the coach
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to stop pretending this team is what it isn't and just be honest.
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Re: Not true at all. What would make me happier is everyone, including the coach
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That’s ####### stupid. You want him to throw his players and coaches under the bus - midseason - so the wheels can come completely off? Maybe some folks will jump in the portal midseason and recruits start decommitting. All so you can feel like Dabo properly prostrated himself to you. Your feelings are not a part of the solution.
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That is not what I said
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I said to stop pretending the team is what it isn't. That doesn't mean I want him to dog the team or trash the team. It means I want him to stop lying about the team. They're two different things.
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Forgive Viz, he tends to get emotional and jump to outrageous conclusions***
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Re: That is not what I said
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It is a contractual obligation for him to sit for the press. He is answering in the manner that he thinks best. It has worked overwhelmingly well for 14 seasons. You think his positivity is “lying” so you obviously think you deserve to hear him say something negative. Purely for your own self-satisfaction. When he criticizes the 1.5% do you think Dabo is so stupid that he thinks it’s going to change the behavior of the fanbase? He is speaking to and for his team and defending them from those fans. You don’t have to like but his track record here is pretty amazing so I’d probably just stop reading or listening to his interviews if you think he owes you something in them.
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Re: That's not even remotely what he said***
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I can’t help you with your lack of reading comprehension. He directly accused Dabo of “lying” (sorry, “pretending”) by speaking positively about the team. Then wants him to “speak honestly”. If positive is “lying” (sorry, “pretending”) then, at bare minimum , he wants him to criticize the team. Given that he has already offered selective criticism of players and coaches, he obviously wants stronger criticism. I think “throwing under the bus” is a pretty common expression that covers it adequately. Btw - this isn’t really for your benefit. It’s for anyone that reads your drivel and might like a little clarity.
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I didn't see the work "lying" in CUATFL's post
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I think he would like to see Dabo own the situation and say we have some work to do. Not wax poetically about past and possible future success. And then call out some of the fanbase. He's made his bed with the hires and decision to not portal. Just own it. This would not require throwing players under the bus.
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Re: I didn't see the work "lying" in CUATFL's post
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Apologies “stop pretending” - I didn’t go back and reread. Here’s the definition of pretend: “ speak and act so as to make it appear that something is the case when in fact it is not.” So I stand by my interpretation regardless.
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So then it's your reading comprehension that needs work after all?
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color me surprised
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Re: So then it's your reading comprehension that needs work after all?
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I bet you actually believe you’ve never lost a debate. I should be more tolerant of the intellectually challenged. It is definitely a fault I will work on.
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You didn't win this one, I know that much***
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Re: So then it's your reading comprehension that needs work after all?
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I responded directly to CUATFL. Shack jumped in saying that “that wasn’t remotely what he said” or something to the like. You seem to be agreeing with that sentiment. However, CUATFL doubles down and explicitly calls Dabo a liar (where he previously used “pretend”) several posts down completely validating my interpretation. Nor does he (CUATFL) refute any aspect of my interpretation. So you and Shack are both wrong. I know not to expect a Mensa meeting on TNet. But basic literacy would be nice.
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Thank you for proving my point about the ridiculous conclusions you jump
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to when you get too emotional...perfect example right here
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Re: That's not even remotely what he said***
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He has absolutely lied.
“This team has played better than the 2016 team “
“this team has more speed than any team we’ve had. “
“this is the deepest offiensive line we’ve had“
“this is the best staff I’ve ever had.“
“The 1.5% will only be happy if we go undefeated. “
These are all lies.
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Re: That's not even remotely what he said***
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“Has played better” not “has always played better,” “is better.” If Dabo believes any facet of this team has played better at any point in any game then this is not a “lie”.
Everyone of these, except possibly the speed comment, are entirely subjective. You have no idea what he specifically means. You are making this all about yourself and your perception of interviews. That is some absolute snowflake ######## that you would ridicule in any other context.
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Oh Good Lord..."If Dabo believes any facet of this team has played better
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at any point in any game then this is not a lie"? The Costanza Defense?
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Re: Oh Good Lord..."If Dabo believes any facet of this team has played better
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At least you’re not pretending to know better than CUATFL what he meant. I guess you’re conceding that argument. Nice to see you handling your losses better. I’m also not surprised you don’t know the difference between verb tenses and the Constanza defense - which is believing something patently untrue - like who PJ Hall pulled for growing up.
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I can't believe you thought the Upper Deck and the Top Deck were
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actually two separate areas
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Re: I can't believe you thought the Upper Deck and the Top Deck were
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I accept your surrender
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I accept the fact that you thought the Top Deck and the Upper Deck
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are two separate areas
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Re: I accept the fact that you thought the Top Deck and the Upper Deck
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That’s not what the thread was about so I’m accepting this as your sign of surrender to the actual topic at hand. Try to keep up.
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Paw Master [16774]
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Was the thread about PJ Hall or was that you conceding first?***
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It's the difference between an assumption and a lie...I didn't know it was wrong
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when I said it, therefore it's not a lie...I can't believe you work with children and don't know the difference
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You are only holding on to your righteousness because of ego
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I ‘m not saying it, but I mean, this guy…
“So, if you make an assumption about somebody and you lock in and believe it and you tell others you are now lying to others because your assumption is based on a false premise that YOU made up. You may want to argue that you are right but I ask you to consider that if you never checked it out or confirmed it then you are not right. You’re only holding on to your righteousness because of ego.”
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/danger-assumption-david-breslow#:~:text=They%20are%20based%20on%20a,premise%20that%20YOU%20made%20up
ON THE DANGER OF ASSUMPTION
ON THE HARM ASSUMPTION CAN CAUSE Assumption is a funny thing. Besides the common phrase that an assumption makes an ### out of you and me as the old saying goes, it is far more damaging than that.
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No, I am genuinely shocked you don't know the difference...It's only a lie if
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you knew the statement was false and said it anyway...It's the difference between murder and manslaughter...One is premeditated, one isn't...If you didn't have such a hard-on for me, you would be able to see that...But you do, so you can't...or choose not to...Being wrong about PJ's fanhood doesn't make me a liar, it just made me wrong about his fanhood...period
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Ignorance of readily available facts
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is not a defense. So even though you are telling me you are ignorant, which I appreciate, you are still guilty.
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Only Guilty of being wrong***
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Re: Only Guilty of being wrong***
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I’d accept liar in the 2nd degree. You knew that you had no real basis for your belief other than an assumption. Had you been misled by an article that misquoted PJ Hall that would be more like manslaughter. You knew you might not be correct, you just didn’t know for sure that you weren’t. And no small irony in accusing me of using Constanza defense (I wasn’t) when that exactly what you did here. You had basis to assert it - you just chose to believe it and did. Even FM didn’t have the receipts I’m sure you’d still insist you were correct.
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That's awfully kind as he made it a statement of fact, which is something...
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proven or known and he is now trying to admit he knew it not to be aforehand?
He did not write "I believe", "I think" or "I assume" et al, he answered a direct question with a definitive statement.
If he knew he was making an assumption then his statement of fact is a lie as he knew prior to and with premeditation it was neither proven nor known.
Shack appears to be no more than lying refuse with no integrity and likely never to be trusted.
As for his hard-on attack, it strikes as being pure projection on his part.
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Until you can provide me with the link to the apology you said Viz gave me,
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you are in the EXACT same boat...So there's that as well
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You are the only liar in this conversation.***
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Keep telling yourself that, but until you can provide that link to the
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apology that doesn't exist, you are an even bigger liar...And the best part? You weren't even a part of the conversation, you just swung in with your misinformation and did it to yourself trying to be a badass...priceless
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You're the only liar in this conversation and it appears as most liars...
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you continue to lie to try and deflect from your lie[s].
It's a vicious cycle in which you seem stuck and are not now, if ever, to be trusted because of it.
Maybe if you hadn't made yourself look stupid by lying about PJ, you wouldn't look stupid now? Maybe?
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I'm sorry, is that a link to the apology you lied about? Better get to searching***
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And you're still the only liar in this conversation.***
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Prove it Liar...provide the link to the apology you said existed...Shouldn't
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be too hard
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And you are still the only liar in this conversation.***
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Is that all you have? That dog is refusing to hunt...I mean you can't even admit
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you were wrong about the apology...the fact that you completely did it to yourself is just icing on the cake...a lot of icing
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No, there was this too...
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Things we've established...
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1) He was wrong.
2) He was ignorant.
3) Countless sources confirm an assumption that is incorrect, but spread, is a lie.
4) Per published works, his ego is the only thing preventing him from admitting he lied to over 100,000 Tnet members.
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There's a fat wife joke in here somewhere,
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i just know it.
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My wife is far from fat, so I guess you're a liar now too***
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Re: My wife is far from fat, so I guess you're a liar now too***
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You are deeply insecure. Did you really just type “my wife is far from fat” for a bunch of anons from your own anon account. Is that because you don’t have a wife? Zero wife is as far as you can be from a fat wife?
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Did you miss the fat wife joke Vizfib?***
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I did.***
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But you assumed it was directed at you.
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Even though we know how you are with assumptions, it really is quite telling.
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Who was it directed towards?***
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I'm not at libert to say.
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OK, fine...but are you at liberty to say?***
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a typo trapped in a lie...sucks for you***
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You;re awesome
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nice pivot***
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I think I've clearly established that DSP can't provide the proof he
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I've all I need right here...
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And you continue to be the only liar in this conversation...
and all the while, chipping away at the maybe.
Maybe if you hadn't made yourself look stupid by lying about PJ, you wouldn't look stupid now? Maybe?
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No, any other response than the link you and I both know doesn't
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You're the only liar here and lying to yourself isn't helping your cause...
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Keep chipping away at that maybe, liar.
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So you didn't say that Viz apologized?***
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Oct 26, 2023, 3:58 PM
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Keep chipping at that maybe & you're still the only liar in this conversation.***
Oct 26, 2023, 4:04 PM
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Keep deflecting if you want, but we both know you lied about the apology***
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Oct 26, 2023, 6:51 PM
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You are the only liar in this conversation and now too stupid to know better...
Oct 26, 2023, 6:55 PM
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Grats on chipping away, liar.
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Funny how you're too chickenshat to address it...Apparently you think it
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will just go away if you don't acknowledge the lie I caught you in
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Heisman Winner [107405]
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And you're still the only liar in this conversation and again, now too stupid...
Oct 26, 2023, 7:07 PM
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to know better.
Grats.
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See, won't acknowledge it at all...In your mind it never even happened***
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Oct 26, 2023, 7:24 PM
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You're the only liar in this conversation and now too stupid to know better.***
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Who told me Viz apologized?***
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Oct 26, 2023, 8:46 PM
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You are the only liar in this conversation and too stupid to know better.
Oct 26, 2023, 8:47 PM
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I'll congratulate you again, liar.
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Congratulate me for catching your lie or congratulate me for not letting it
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Oct 26, 2023, 8:49 PM
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go?
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See, you're too stupid to know better and the only liar in this conversation.
Oct 26, 2023, 8:51 PM
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Congratulations again.
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Paw Master [16774]
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It is pretty big of you to congratulate me for catching you lie,particularly
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after you've been a bit dodgy on the subject...I'll consider it a breakthrough...but not an apology
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You're the only liar in this conversation and too stupid to know better.
Oct 26, 2023, 9:01 PM
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Grats on chipping away the maybe, liar.
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Paw Master [16774]
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More namecalling? Is that all you have? Certainly don't have a link to
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the apology you said I received
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You're the only liar in this conversation and too stupid to know better.
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Oct 26, 2023, 9:08 PM
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Again, congratulations on chipping away the maybe.
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Yep, that's all you got...Looks like this one went my way, reduced you
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to repetitive namecalling...It happens...Sucks to be you
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No, there's this as well...
Oct 26, 2023, 9:14 PM
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and this...
I'm not making you look stupid, you're making you look stupid, liar.
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Paw Master [16774]
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blah blah blah, blah blah blah
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I win
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Yes, you are the only liar in this conversation.***
Oct 26, 2023, 9:22 PM
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I'm sorry, is that a link Liar?***
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You are the only liar in this conversation and still, too stupid to know better.
Oct 26, 2023, 9:40 PM
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Grats once more on chipping away the maybe, liar.
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Paw Master [16774]
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Nope...still you***
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Heisman Winner [107405]
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You are the only liar in this conversation & again too stupid to know better...
Oct 27, 2023, 7:00 AM
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It can't be written enough, congrats on chipping away the maybe, liar.
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I'm surprised you didn't suggest I just create a new handle Stanley***
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Paw Master [16774]
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I'll use your logic...If I believed any facet of it to be true at any point, it
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Athletic Dir [1163]
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In typical sunshine pumper fashion...
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he attacks the strawman by misrepresenting, mischaracterizing, &/or exaggerating to the extreme the opposing position. Nearly 3 years of a continuous influx evidence to the contrary but we're "lying and stupid". Oh OK,
Viz—
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Re: In typical sunshine pumper fashion...
Oct 26, 2023, 11:04 AM
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Welcome to the party but if you had actually read the thread, you would see that CUAFTL (whom I was directly responding to), 100% affirms my interpretation of his post. Explicitly calling Dabo a “liar” rather the less caustic “pretend” he had used before. Nothing in my post was “sunshine pumping”. I made no evaluation of the state of the program. I was stating that CUAFTL’s demands would be counter productive, which that would be, and satisfy only his own vanity. You don’t understand what a strawman is because it’s not the first time you’ve used it wrong. And I didn’t call him a liar but yes, wanting the coach to burn the program to the ground so you can say “look, I was right!” is stupid. And “burning to the ground” is hyperbole, not a strawman. And again, CUATFL takes no objection. So you’re not really in much position to argue.
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Re: In typical sunshine pumper fashion...
Oct 26, 2023, 11:14 AM
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I also said "lying" prior to your spat with CM.
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/that-is-not-what-i-said-33668238#33668238
But you absolutely were exaggerating my position.
If you were making posts telling people you are the best poster on Tigernet you would be lying. If someone tells you to stop lying about your being the best poster on Tigernet and to be honest instead does that mean that they want you to make posts about yourself being one of the crappiest?......wait I said be honest so this isn't a good example....
But you get the point...
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Re: In typical sunshine pumper fashion...
Oct 26, 2023, 11:52 AM
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Yes, the thread has become very convoluted. I was pretty sure you had used liar but it was a couple lines down from where another poster said he didn’t see “liar”. It doesn’t matter, Shack is another breed.
You and I can disagree - that’s fine. I don’t view anything that I’m aware Dabo has said as “lying”. But, I also don’t make a habit of watching coaches shows or reading his interviews. They are of zero interest to me.
I believe I used the term “throw under the bus”. I don’t think you have to say something is “the worst” for that to qualify. Dabo has to sit and answer questions. So silence is not an option. If he’s asked “do you think your coaches are doing a good job” what short of “no” is going to satisfy you? You’ve expressed a fair amount of hostility towards the state of the program and I would say calling someone a “liar” is a pretty strong character attack. Then you sort of walk that back and say I just want him to be “honest”. But it’s clear you don’t think “hey, we’ve got some things to work on” is good enough. Because he has certainly done that. He has criticized coaches individually and collectively. He criticized himself. And he has criticized players. So, knowing he’s done that, and you insist that he’s a “liar” and needs to be “honest” - is it really an exaggeration for me to believe you want him to “throw them under the bus”? Cause I don’t think so. Maybe these expressions are too vague. At the next presser, if someone asks “what’s left to play for and is it even reasonable to think it can be accomplished” what would you view as a honest answer?
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Athletic Dir [1163]
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Clearly not convoluted is the sunshine pumper's...
Oct 26, 2023, 9:00 PM
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limitless capacity for hypocrisy.Demonstrated by the attempt equivocate a false assumption with a lie while spending the last three years maintaining the facade, a static state of oblivion, the natural state of the sunshine pumper: willfully ignorant—
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Lol and you said convluted
Oct 26, 2023, 9:21 PM
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As if you have it all figured out.
What is a sunshine pumper on your mind anyway?
Is it okay to say some things need to improve and still be a pumper for Clemson football? Of course it is!
Are you really so shallow-minded as to think there are people who don’t see there are some areas needing to get better? That people think everything is just rosy right now, and Dabo is an infallible human being? Who are these ‘sunshine pumpers’? Certainly viz wouldn’t say everything is perfect with the program right now, but he sees the bigger picture much better than you. Facts.
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Athletic Dir [1163]
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Some of us saw this train wreck coming 3 m-------...
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f---i-- years ago. "What is a sunshine pumper?".
I could waste my time and yours, EXPLAINING it to you;
but I cannot UNDERSTAND it for you, not
my dilemma—
like a person
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Well... after a myriad of rationalizations, prioritized references....
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scaled in your mind's eye—you've successfully convinced Viztiz. Congratulations, mission accomplished, I guess; but still the pattern remains–
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Re: Sure we were a 2 or 3 plays from being undefeated
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Wait, then isn't he being a realist too?
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Is there even such a thing as a pessimist or optimist?
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Sure***
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Re: Wait, then isn't he being a realist too?
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Yep my dad is a world-class pessimist:
Can’t wait for the festival this weekend
Dad: yeah, it’ll probably rain like it does every year
Your garden looks good
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Re: Wait, then isn't he being a realist too?
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Your dad, like CUATFL, almost certainly view themselves as realists. Most pessimists do.
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Re: Wait, then isn't he being a realist too?
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He definitely views himself as a pragmatist. The bright side is, if you’re broken down, he’s always the guy with jumper cables, tire irons, roadside kit, etc. He’s always prepared for the worst.
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Who is TJ?***
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Re: Shoot me if you want
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To me, being snakebit is something like a rash of injuries; I would not put poor ball security in that category.
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Discipline and toughness.
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We need it bad.
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Re: Discipline and toughness.
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Remember in this day and time you can’t be critical of the buttercups. Hell they will feel hurt and go to the portal
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Re: Shoot me if you want
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Snakebit? that's silly ...
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Re: not as silly as this
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Lol, I must agree!!
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Re: Shoot me if you want
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I also still believe in Dabo. I support this team.
There is a lot that needs to be fixed, but it is unlikely any of it will be fixed quickly.
Some won't like it, but I am guessing Dabo is handling things the way he feels God is leading him to, and on God's timeline. To him, that takes priority over the sentiments of fans and critics in the media. If and when that becomes a problem for Dabo's human bosses, I would expect him to move on.
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Well said.***
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Re: Shoot me if you want
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InspectorM hit the nail on the head with his final paragraph.
If Clemson and fans don't like it, then too bad. Dabo knows what he's doing, and I personally believe without a fall there couldn't be a glorious rise... you know, like the wavelength of an atom that everything is composed of. Trough and Crest baby.
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Re: oh Judas get off the drug mix and
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Orange kool-aid
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I'm sorry but my name is not Judas and I have never
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done drugs. Drank orange Kool aid but not drugs.
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Good response MfO!
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It’s shocking to me that someone would try to insult MfO, who is one of the nicest posters on this site.
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Re: Good response MfO!
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And the nicest guy you'd ever meet. He's battled through far more adversity than this football team and came through it admirably.
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Re: Good response MfO!
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Not shocked when I see who it is. ClemsonSCTiger immediately resorts to insults whenever he disagrees with anyone. It’s his standard MO. Called me a snowflake the other day during one of his meltdowns. 😂🤣. No surprise to see that not even as good a guy as MfO is spared from this guy’s ridiculous comments.
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Re: It's the same poster that "attacked" Mo-Pho for taking Mo-Phojr hunting.
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Yep. 100% punk.
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and how good it was for several years. I think this team's player leaders are not of the caliber we had before.
That was '21. That team wasn't good but found ways to win. This team is highly capable but doesn;t make key plays when its needed to win a game.
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all the years going to the playoffs and winning the National Championship twice the ball bounced our way multiple times.
We tend to forget just how close some games were...
TX A&M the ball bouncing over the pylon.
NC State missing the chip shot field goal.
UNC missing the 2 point conversion.
FSU and the illegal block call on the long Dalvin Cook run.
Troy game fumble return called back.
Stopping Louisville inside the 10 on 4th down.
Chase Brice against Syracuse game.
ND missing the 2 point conversion to avoid sending the game to OT.
Offside call against UNC on the onside kick in the ACCCG (yeah, they still would have to score and hit 2 point conversion just to send to OT).
NCState in 2017 when Finley moved to ball down to the 20 yard line down by 7 as time ran out. Louisville in 2015 missing a 24 yard field goal with 2 minutes left that could have tied it.
Boston College being up by 18 points in 1st half in 2020 (DJ game).
Absolutely, many/most of those were just great plays on our part...but there were so many close calls.
Dabo said winning isn't easy...the ball has bounced in our direction many times...this year, not so much.
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Its more that
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The team may not be snakebit, but the fans, US, certainly are. I find myself
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All-American [550]
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Re: Shoot me if you want
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Oct 24, 2023, 3:49 PM
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Dabo is the greatest coach in Clemson history and still a relatively young coach. Rough patch for sure but he will fix it. 💯 percent all in. Keep the faith. 👍🏿🐅
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Dynasty Maker [3496]
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I agree 100%
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Oct 24, 2023, 3:52 PM
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Dabo will fix this
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1st Rounder [647]
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Re: I agree 100%
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Oct 24, 2023, 5:01 PM
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I am with you. Dabo is not an idiot, none of these people know what is going on behind closed doors
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National Champion [7736]
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Re: Shoot me if you want
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Oct 24, 2023, 5:10 PM
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No, snake bit as when another team catches a Hail Mary off a tip to beat you, or you have multiple quarterbacks injured in a season. Repeatedly fumbling the ball inside the 5 yard line is a discipline and focus issue.
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Orange Blooded [2566]
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Hmmm....
Oct 24, 2023, 5:13 PM
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you smell like another "play away from success" kool-aid-er.
Did you even read the last few pressers? Line issues, skill player issues top to bottom, coaching, even talent: the list goes on.
We are many "Plays - and players, and even the best coaches - away from success."
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TigerNet Icon [153912]
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I haven't had any Kool aid in a while. But yes, IF we hadn't fumbled
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Oct 24, 2023, 5:43 PM
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vs Duke and scored, fumble six vs FSU and Ship went another 1/4 yard, we probably wouldn't be having these conversations. I never said we didn't have issues we need to correct, I simply said I believe in Dabo and this team. Yes I mentioned a few plays but we still could have won. My post was primarily about my support.
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CU Guru [1120]
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Re: Shoot me if you want
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Oct 24, 2023, 7:08 PM
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Saying all of the critcism is all unto this season is unfair. Most educated fans have been seeing the writing on the wall since late 2019. The problems, the real problems, are not 2023 related. They are 2019-2023 related.
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Ultimate Tiger [37018]
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Re: Shoot me if you want
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Oct 24, 2023, 7:15 PM
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but I still believe in Dabo and this team! Are we snakebit this year? I don't know. Seems like it. Never have I seen a team with as many fumbles inside the five yard line as I have with this team. The three games we have lost, we still could have won.
I’m with you. I hate where we are but hope they can right the ship. Falling off this cliff happened a lot quicker than the rise to the top.
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Associate AD [1015]
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Re: Shoot me if you want
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Oct 25, 2023, 8:16 AM
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Eric MacLain's comments at halftime on Saturday were spot on. This team is undisciplined and makes errors that suggest there's no attention paid to the details.
While the coaches have not done everything to put their guys in a position to win, the coaches can only do so much. You don't hear of this team having "players-only meetings" to hash stuff out. Somebody on that team's gotta step up and demand more from their teammates.
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Clemson Sports Icon [59296]
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Re: Shoot me if you want
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Oct 25, 2023, 10:39 AM
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Yes we are snake bit, but Dabo threw the snake in the pit that's biting us, and until he makes some changes, those snakes will continue to bite us in the A$$!!!
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Ring of Honor [22904]
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Ok, you asked for it!!!
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Oct 25, 2023, 2:35 PM
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TAKE THAT, JACK!!! Or whatever your name is.
~JKB
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Clemson Icon [26927]
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Re: Shoot me if you want
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Oct 25, 2023, 6:25 PM
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I also agree when Dabo says this is a good team. We played about as bad as we could against FSU and Miami and still were in the games at the end. If the team can start consistently playing well, they would be a very good team.
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Clemson Icon [27125]
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Re: Shoot me if you want
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Oct 25, 2023, 6:34 PM
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Let’s get this post up to 63 TUs and the 1.5%ers can shoot for 17 TDs. 🤭
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Tiger Titan [49814]
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Re: Shoot me if you want
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Oct 25, 2023, 7:01 PM
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Our offense needs to play more tempo and score more TD’s! Actually the TO’s is what’s killing us the most!
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CU Guru [1054]
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Re: Shoot me if you want
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Oct 25, 2023, 7:09 PM
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Almost every game has some dumb plays no matter who you watch, it’s the nature of the game. Every coach has losses. Every coach and team has down years. Every coach has to give pacifiers to the fans. Every fan base has unhappy fans. The key to happiness is learning to enjoy the rollercoaster ride that is football.
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Oculus Spirit [41794]
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/\ /\ /\ Get's it /\ /\ /\***
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Oct 25, 2023, 9:15 PM
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Freshman [3]
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Re: Shoot me if you want
Oct 26, 2023, 12:04 AM
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Man some people on here have too much time on their hands.
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1st Rounder [619]
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Re: Shoot me if you want
Oct 26, 2023, 12:08 PM
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We're not snakebit...just poorly coached and developed. Sankebit implies luck has something to do with it. With the amount of turnovers weve had its no longer luck or coincidence, this team is just bad. Sucks to say, but its the truth.
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Game Day Hero [4485]
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Re: Shoot me if you want
Oct 26, 2023, 6:16 PM
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Even Jose Feliciano could see that this team is a little off. Last years ending and this years start told a tale. A Tale of Two Cities...Columbia and Clemson This years C/C game will be a Stupor Bowl. Expect a brawl.
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Tiger Titan [46330]
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Not sure why anyone would want to shoot you, MyfavOrange!***
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Oct 26, 2023, 8:50 PM
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