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Pay to play(Nil and Portal) have changed the landscape
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Sep 12, 2023, 9:14 AM
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Just ask the Bama fans. The old way of building your team(good high school recruiting) will not result in many championships. I despise the new way but if you gonna win you got to play the new game.
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Re: Pay to play(Nil and Portal) have changed the landscape
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Sep 12, 2023, 9:20 AM
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It has taken a lot of fun and excitement out of college football . Championships have become nothing more than a purchase .
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Re: Pay to play(Nil and Portal) have changed the landscape
Sep 12, 2023, 10:06 AM
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They said the same thing about the forward pass... 
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Re: Pay to play(Nil and Portal) have changed the landscape
Sep 12, 2023, 8:54 PM
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It did change the game. Teams that didn't embrace it once it came into the game would not have been able to win.
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Re: Pay to play(Nil and Portal) have changed the landscape
Sep 12, 2023, 11:06 PM
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That was my point. They didn’t like it back then but they adapted because they had no choice.
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You can blame the California state supreme court and Gavin
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Sep 12, 2023, 9:37 AM
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Newsome who is their neo-lib governor for all this. The guy is a fame ho and just wanted his name on the bill and didn't care how it would turn 90% upside down. All he cared about was USC and UCLA getting their come comeuppance. Essentially ruined teams that don't have the back drop of deep pockets and large cities. Unfortunate for us for sure. At least we got ours in before they changed it all.
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Re: You can blame the California state supreme court and Gavin
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Sep 12, 2023, 10:08 AM
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Yes, he sure showed them. They took their football and went to the B1G and the PAC 12 imploded. Thanks, Gavin!
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well..the schools don't move they're still in Los Angeles.
Sep 12, 2023, 2:24 PM
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more money from TV more money from NIL.. They're all about to get much bigger and brighter.
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The rest of the story........
Sep 12, 2023, 11:29 PM
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You should tell the whole story...
The CA legislation was passed in 2019 and was not supposed to go into effect until 2023. The NCAA challenged the legislation in the CA Supreme Court and lost, appealed to the 9th circuit and lost 2-1, and appealed to the US Supreme Court and lost in a unanimous decision. Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, writing for the court, both pointedly blamed the NCAA for not having any kind of plan at all to implement pay for play. However, even in their direct take-down of the NCAA, they left the door open for the NCAA to come back with a plan, which to date they have not done. The SCOTUS decision overruled the CA legislation which was to start in 2023 and made it immediate.
Pay for play was inevitable. Several state legislatures, including South Carolina, were in the process of writing their own legislation. The SCOTUS decision eliminated the need for state-by-state legislation. CA was first but it could have just as easily come from a number of other states.
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Re: Pay to play(Nil and Portal) have changed the landscape
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Sep 12, 2023, 9:44 AM
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They are turning the sport into crap.
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Re: Pay to play(Nil and Portal) have changed the landscape
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Sep 12, 2023, 10:53 AM
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Really? I watched some pretty awesome football on Saturday.
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Re: Pay to play(Nil and Portal) have changed the landscape
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Sep 12, 2023, 11:16 AM
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If you don't mind every other player being "the transfer from such and such school". Just professional free agents.
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from a Clemson perspective it will be tough to compete
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Sep 12, 2023, 2:27 PM
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especially with the negative media coverage we seem to get.. even when we were undefeated we were framed as not ready for the bama's or ohio states.
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I think it is more the lack of governance...
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Sep 12, 2023, 9:45 AM
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The concepts of NIL and the portal are good. If a business wants to use a kid for their promotions, they should get paid. Or if a kid wants to make and sell t-shirts (example: Ship happens) they should be allowed to do that. It's a team being able to say, "hey we have an alum that owns a $2 billion company, come play for us and he's going to give you a $1 million NIL deal." Everyone knew NIL was going to happen, the NCAA should have had policies and guidelines ready to go the moment it did. I'm afraid it may be too late to reign this in though. No that the bottle is opened, it'll be hard to put the genie back in.
The same with the portal. Before you if you wanted to transfer, you had to sit a year regardless. Now it's like heck I don't like cereal they have in the dinning hall, I'm leaving. I actually think this is easier to fix than NIL. Just put in a rule that you can have as many transfers as you want, but after the first one you have to sit out a season. This covers the cases where a kid feels like he made the wrong decision or where they need to be closer to home because of a family issue. But it would at least curb the poaching and situations where a kid is on his 6th school in 2 years.
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Re: I think it is more the lack of governance...
Sep 12, 2023, 9:48 AM
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Yes. But we could all see it coming.
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Sep 12, 2023, 10:04 AM
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My personal opinion if you are a starter at your school and your head and position coach do not leave you should have to sit out 1 year. The first school used their money to recruit them and develop them.
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Re: Bama fans complaining that Nick doesn't use the portal.
Sep 12, 2023, 10:05 AM
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He also got Jameson Williams from OSU as well.
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UTexas
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Sep 12, 2023, 10:03 AM
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Has been paying their OLINE 50K a year for the past 3-seasons (openly, at least). The QB is paid over a million a year. The RB as well. 6-figure sports cars, houses and god knows what else are going into the pockets of athletes.
Teams that have overtly ante'd up the cash (Miami, Texas, USC, UF, Tenn, FSU, ) are seeing massive resurgences. Those that built their program off of an excellence in recruiting/developing/winning are quickly going away.
It is what it is.
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Re: Pay to play(Nil and Portal) have changed the landscape
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Sep 12, 2023, 10:32 AM
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How true is that? Alabama has fallen off because Kirby Smart is recruiting guys to Georgia who would have gone to Alabama in the past. That's really the big difference.
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And he has Steele calling D
Sep 12, 2023, 10:51 AM
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His strength guy Scott Cochran left and went to Georgia 3 years ago.
He's 71 years old.
Last but not least, he doesn't have an NFL QB for the first time since I can remember.
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Re: And he has Steele calling D
Sep 12, 2023, 4:01 PM
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If you don’t have an NFL QB playing for your college team you are not going to the playoffs. Bama QB going to be their holdup.
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Georgia has won the last two national championships
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Sep 12, 2023, 10:54 AM
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and they have relied heavily on good high school recruiting.
They keys there are that they recruited really well and developed those players really well. Having a team of qualified coaches helps greatly.
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a good coach lol? like the a$$hat that ruined clemson hoops??***
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Sep 12, 2023, 10:57 AM
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Re: Georgia has won the last two national championships
Sep 12, 2023, 11:56 PM
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It only makes sense that if you're going to VERY rarely use the Portal and have statements, be they accurate or inaccurate, that have some believe your opposed to NIL, you better have real good facilities plus a top flight group of position coaches. One of the main characteristics of getting and developing top talent is a staff that has a history of developing NFL players. Not sure if it's right...just my 7 cents!!!
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Re: Pay to play(Nil and Portal) have changed the landscape
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Sep 12, 2023, 3:55 PM
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In my opinion, they should make a semi-pro league for the players that want to get paid and let them go and play in that league. You could call in the minor league like MLB. For those that want a college education, let them play college football for the scholarship and love of the game. It would not hurt college football in the least. What we have now is not genuine college football.
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Re: Pay to play(Nil and Portal) have changed the landscape
Sep 12, 2023, 10:45 PM
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Nobody is against that. There just isn't a minor league that can make enough money to stick around.
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