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Walk-On [116]
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Alignment with FSU
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Jul 24, 2024, 12:43 PM
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Poor choice aligning with F S U.
Think it was not in our best interest to posture ourselves with arguably the most controversial program, definitely in the ACC and maybe the country.
Think they (FSU) are major reason SEC and Big 10 don't want us.
We should have waited and watched their scenario before joining them.
Lots of time and money spent to find that our of brands are not as desirable as they thought.
Time now to ready ourselves for the upcoming season,
and to plan how to continue to build our program in the ACC.
May have to trim expenses, as a start.
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Dynasty Maker [3455]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
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Jul 24, 2024, 12:46 PM
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You really buying the public statements of Big10 and SEC? That’s their job to deny interest until a team is available to invite.
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Commissioner [1222]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 26, 2024, 8:03 AM
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You certainly hope that!
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Varsity [116]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 26, 2024, 2:48 PM
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Big10 said they had no interest in expanding and less than what seemed like a week later announced Oregon and Washington were joining.
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Solid Orange [1348]
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So youre the type that just believes everything you read.
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Jul 24, 2024, 12:49 PM
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Nm
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Walk-On [116]
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Re: So youre the type that just believes everything you read.
Jul 25, 2024, 6:16 PM
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Didn't read any of this.
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Tiger Titan [49814]
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Outside of Notre Dame- Clemson & FSU are the most valuable teams
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Jul 24, 2024, 12:55 PM
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Don’t believe the media, they are there to make it look as though nobody is interested, trust me Clemson didn’t go after the ACC without better landing spots period.
It’s illegal for Us and FSU to talk to the Big 10 or SEC.
It’s called covering your tails!
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Commissioner [1210]
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Re: Outside of Notre Dame- Clemson & FSU are the most valuable teams
Jul 26, 2024, 7:09 AM
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How was it not illegal for Texas and Oklahoma to talk to the SEC? Or Maryland to talk to the Big Ten?
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1st Rounder [678]
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Re: Outside of Notre Dame- Clemson & FSU are the most valuable teams
Jul 26, 2024, 11:19 AM
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It was illegal for them to talk directly to the SEC. They, like what we're doing now, communicated through 3rd parties. It's just a way of avoiding tortious interference claims.
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Tiger Titan [49814]
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Outside of Notre Dame- Clemson & FSU are the most valuable teams
Jul 24, 2024, 12:55 PM
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Don’t believe the media, they are there to make it look as though nobody is interested, trust me Clemson didn’t go after the ACC without better landing spots period.
It’s illegal for Us and FSU to talk to the Big 10 or SEC.
It’s called covering your tails!
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Campus Hero [13735]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
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Jul 24, 2024, 12:57 PM
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We're not "aligning" with anyone. FSU filed a suit. Clemson filed a suit. If we were aligned, it would have been one suit.
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Game Changer [1769]
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Our lawsuit is
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Jul 24, 2024, 2:06 PM
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180 degrees different from fsu. The big12 talk flared up during big12 media days. Nobody wants us until we’re available, and then they will.
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Commissioner [1222]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 26, 2024, 5:53 AM
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You don't do one suit in different places for different reasons when they are both the same reason...we were trying to be coy in our presentation...fooled nobody...now our fat is in the fire with a bunch of crab stealing savages! We had lots of respect as a program nationwide! At one point the new head coach of one of most storied programs in the nation stated on national TV that he wanted to pattern his program after CLEMSON by name...that is respect...someone tossed it out the window with this charade...hard to create, easy to lose..we'll see if Dabo can save it!
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1st Rounder [678]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
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Jul 26, 2024, 11:27 AM
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What a giant load of crap. Clemson has not traded in any of their respect by challenging the GOR of the ACC. They have been tactful and deliberate in everything that they've done, and rather than drag this through the court of public opinion, took the issue to the actual court system. Suits are for the same reason, but they a based on different arguments, which is why they're in different venues, venues I might add, that have jurisdiction over the party bringing the claim, which was affirmed by the judge. No one was being coy, but rather being strategic, and taking different bites at the apple. Had the ACC been as fervent in securing the best possible deal for the conference, rather than the best possible deal for the Swofford's, we wouldn't be in the current situation. Can't solely blame it on the Swofford's as the current commissioner seems to favor backroom dealings without the knowledge or consent of the conference as well.
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Commissioner [1222]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 29, 2024, 8:10 AM
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We are not necessarily dealing with a court of publis opinion with this one we have acted like petulant children and FSU has just made up stuff to suit their fancy! Fraud...better be able to prove this one...bad contract (it was hearlded when signed) all of the sudden, when we've been taking money from it for 10+ years...read the facts, ignore the speculation! President Clements is nice fool, he praised it too! Teach your children well! The public is fickled...the court of law is usually not...know who pays for defending the ACC from this savage attack...we all do, we are the ACC!
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Orange Blooded [2437]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 29, 2024, 8:19 AM
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Dude, go stick to the meth pipe. Your conjecture is both anile and disillusioned.
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1st Rounder [678]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 29, 2024, 12:00 PM
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In what way has Clemson acted like a petulant child? Please expound on this ridiculous notion. Clemson's lawsuit, while in service of leaving the conference, simply asks the court to clarify the documents. The ACC claims that we can leave the conference by paying an exit fee, but claims they own our rights until 2036. Clemson's assertion is that we only granted you our rights while we're in the conference, and once we pay the exit fee, we retain our rights. Based on the ESPN media rights contract, that only references schools that are members of the conference, and not schools that are former members, Clemson has every right to ask for clarification on this. Clemson collecting money on the deal is irrelevant, as they were members of the conference. The issue at hand, is their rights once they pay the fee to leave.
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Walk-On [116]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Aug 28, 2024, 12:57 PM
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Really appreciate your point of view
Pls keep up the good work
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Walk-On [116]
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CU Medallion [20103]
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I STILL can't believe how many of you
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Jul 24, 2024, 12:58 PM
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Don't see the writing on the wall on the ACC and how our rival will have more money and prime time TV opportunities and will be talked about as one of the premiere teams in the country, which isn't true but with the propaganda of the SEC it makes it so. We have to get out of this trap and into a better conference. Go Tigers!!!!
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110%er [3744]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
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Jul 24, 2024, 1:06 PM
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I don't see Clemson being aligned with FSU. Clemson is asking the court to quantify and define the GOR.
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Valley Legend [13014]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
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Jul 24, 2024, 1:38 PM
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Much of this is coming from the Big 12 social media people because they need Clemson and FSU bad to make them relevant again. They are finding out quickly that no one cares about them now that Texas and OU have left.
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Paw Warrior [4898]
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NOPE.....ACC PLANT right there....
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Jul 24, 2024, 1:46 PM
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most controversial???? How?????
Just Stop. How much is the ACC office paying you to write their propaganda points?
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Walk-On [116]
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Re: NOPE.....ACC PLANT right there....
Jul 25, 2024, 6:19 PM
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Not enough
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Commissioner [1222]
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Hall of Famer [8975]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 24, 2024, 1:58 PM
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There may be a multitued of reasons that the SEC and Big don't choose a team, but contoversy will never be one of them.
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Commissioner [1222]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 26, 2024, 6:00 AM
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Being aligned with a bunch of horses a**es is certainly one of them...Arkansas had Frank Broyles, never happy anywhere, controversy abounds...leaves old SWC, destroys it and starts itching once joining the Mighty SEC...see where that has got them!
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1st Rounder [678]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 26, 2024, 11:29 AM
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Anyone who knows anything about the SWC knows that there's one team to blame for the downfall of that conference. Coincidentally, it's the same team that was to blame for the downfall of the Big 12. Funny how things happen like that.
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Commissioner [1222]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 29, 2024, 8:22 AM
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That is not so...another whopper...Royal supported Baylor, Rice and SMU because they were small schools and founding members of the SWC and by the way pretty easy to beat...TAMU was supportive as well...Broyles was mad because Texas beat them again at home and Nixon declared them national champs in the locker room...Broyles had his vendetta...don't improve Arkansas and win...be a chicken and get the he'll out! That killed the SWC...small schools did not stand a chance!
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1st Rounder [678]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 29, 2024, 12:17 PM
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What a bunch of revisionists nonsense from someone who clearly has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Texas ruled the SWC like it was their own personal show. They constantly tried to move the goalposts in ways that benefited them, at the detriment of anyone else who might challenge them. Arkansas was the first to leave. A&M, was on the way out the door behind them in the early 90's to the SEC, with Texas having their eyes on the Pac-10 (not the first, or the last time they'd attempt this). Political pressure in Texas kept either of those from happening. It eventually lead to the formation of the Big 12, with both Tech and Baylor securing spots due to Ann Richards being a Baylor grad, and Bob Bullock being a Texas Tech grad.
Fast forward to 2010 when after many years of Texas trying to run the Big 12 as their own personal show (creating their own LHN which would stop any creation of a league network, and allowed Texas to showcase HS recruits games on their own network) , the fellow members with enough clout and appeal to leave, began to do so. Nebraska left for the B1G first. Then, Texas tried to work a deal with the PAC-10 for Texas, A&M, OU, OSU, Colorado and Texas Tech to all move over creating the PAC-16. At this point, A&M had had enough, and blew up the deal, and leaked to the media what Texas was trying to do in the shadows. A&M then made their move to the SEC to finally rid themselves of a cancer (something they might do again soon if they make a move to the B1G) that others had rid themselves of as well.
Texas killed the SWC. Texas killed the Big 12. Texas will try to kill the SEC at some point as well if they're given even a modicum of power.
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Tiger Spirit [9854]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
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Jul 24, 2024, 2:07 PM
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As others have said, dont believe the media or public comments of the other conferences.
One other point. We have not stated we will leave the conference, just confirming our options in court. If we do lose in court, there is really no downside as the ACC cannot afford to kick us to the curb. It also puts them on notice that changes are needed.
Really a win-win regardless of what is decided.
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Solid Orange [1333]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 24, 2024, 3:16 PM
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Yes, it is a win-win for the lawyers.
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Walk-On [116]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 25, 2024, 11:41 AM
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Yes,and how much, and who's paying?
Why doesn't anyone respond to this.
You seem to know everything else.
Message was edited by: jlbrackn1®
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Tiger Cub [14]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 25, 2024, 12:12 PM
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FSU got all of the headlines because, by Florida law,their meetings are open to the public and reporters.
A BOT discussion of the need to improve funding to compete, and the ACC's failings in that regard, got reported nationwide..verbatim...
If Florida did not have such public information laws,things could have been smoother...
The Clemson BOT can discuss privately.
"Subject to the requirements of state law, the board and its committees and task forces may hold any regular or special meeting, or any part thereof, in executive session with participation limited to voting board members, and to Trustees Emeriti unless specifically excluded. Other individuals may be invited to attend all, or portions of an executive session as deemed necessary by the Chair. Executive Session discussions are considered confidential to the extent allowed by law."
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Commissioner [1222]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 27, 2024, 8:33 AM
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If those meetings are open to the public then why wasn't the public raising help about these contracts when they were signed and executed ten + years ago...public meetings plenty of smart people at the FSWTC...why all the claims of fraud and lousy contracts just showing up in 2023...seems like a little extra fraud and concerted lying taking place...the FSU presidents who signed those two documents were businessman and the second was a lawyer...why are they not being sued along with ESPN...uh we already spent that money...we want more!
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National Champion [7435]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 25, 2024, 12:17 PM
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If the SEC doesn’t add them, it’s because they are looking for less competitive teams to add. Any other reason they spout is bull.
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Clemson Sports Icon [57464]
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Is it bad that I'm starting not to care...
Jul 25, 2024, 1:09 PM
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Play ball!
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Varsity [206]
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So staying in a suicide pact is your top choice?
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Jul 25, 2024, 1:47 PM
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There is no future in the ACC. It is starvation while be exploited.
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Commissioner [1222]
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Re: So staying in a suicide pact is your top choice?
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Jul 26, 2024, 6:11 AM
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You are crazy we are the ACC and until now we were one of the leading members...what now! After they have cheated on you and called you bad names publicly nothing will ever be the same...attack commishes, family, a highly praised contract that everyone signed twice, new members in conf, time of change for everyone...if a businessman you probably would not want to do business with those type of folks! Dance with who brung you...ACC bring us and we are flirting with ######!
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Letterman [159]
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Re: So staying in a suicide pact is your top choice?
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Jul 26, 2024, 7:38 AM
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Swoffie, is that you?
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Commissioner [1222]
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Re: So staying in a suicide pact is your top choice?
Jul 26, 2024, 8:11 AM
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Swoffie probably did more for Clemson in one year than you will in a lifetime...that contract may have been a big part of our success over the past ten years and he has caught he'll for it by the folks who want to destroy the ACC...what a legacy we have begun!
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CU Medallion [20710]
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Re: So staying in a suicide pact is your top choice?
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Jul 26, 2024, 2:32 PM
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Keep on believing that crap🤣
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Trainer [48]
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1st Rounder [678]
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Re: So staying in a suicide pact is your top choice?
Jul 26, 2024, 11:37 AM
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Yes, businessmen don't poach employees who are under contract with other employers. Ever. The ACC looked out for the best interest of a select few, for the entirety of it's existence. It's about time Clemson looked out for the best interest of Clemson, and continuing to honor a deal that, we now know, was negotiated in bad faith, with the a company run by a direct family member of a former commish that resulted in a sweetheart deal that didn't honor the conferences fiduciary duty. Add the fact that the current commish, unilaterally and without informing the conference per its bylaws, signed an extension on the date of the exercise clause, that as of this date, has still not been exercised.
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Head Coach [902]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 26, 2024, 7:45 AM
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Our alignment with FSU is largely based on legal reasons. Florida courts are much more favorable to FSU than the SC courts are to Clemson. State courts and Federal Appeals court in Florida are filled with pro FSU people. Plus Desantis and the other politicians in Florida are not afraid to get involved.
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Clemson Icon [26731]
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80 million vs. 40 million.
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Jul 26, 2024, 8:25 AM
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How long can Clemson compete with SC and UGA operating with a 40 million dollar per year deficit?
Even SC, as poor as their athletics have historically been, can eventually take advantage of that difference.
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All-In [10707]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Jul 27, 2024, 7:14 PM
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We didn’t moron… read the suits
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Asst Coach [880]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Aug 28, 2024, 1:09 PM
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Son Clemson has nothing to do with FSU —-I know
Just watch brother and relax
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Asst Coach [880]
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Re: Alignment with FSU
Aug 28, 2024, 1:09 PM
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Son Clemson has nothing to do with FSU —-I know
Just watch brother and relax
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