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Welp.... at least one CHICOM is getting their illegally cast vote counted...

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/30/politics/michigan-chinese-citizen-charged-after-illegally-voting/index.html

A few disturbing points from the article:

1. The only way this was caught was the Chinese national self-reported. Had he not done so I think it is safe to say no one would have ever known.

2. The ballot will still be counted because there is no way to pull a ballot from the tabulator stack to identify it as the CHICOM's vote. I fully support keeping our votes private to where no one can identify how a legal voter cast their ballot. BUT - in order to keep our votes private it is imperative that we have REAL measures in place to ensure only LEGAL CITIZENS are able to cast a ballot to begin with.

3. According to the article, the Chinese national was able to vote through "same day voter registration" without showing any proof of citizenship. He merely had to "swear under penalty of perjury that he was an American citizen" and was given a ballot. I wonder if Michigan allows their liquor stores to sell young folks alcohol so long as they simply swear they are of legal age....

I'm sure we'll get a chorus of "it's rare" or this is only "one vote" but I call BS on these excuses. Truthfully we have no idea how often fraudulent ballots are really being cast because some States have made their voting processes so intentionally porous (like Michigan) that it is practically impossible to conduct a real audit of legal vs illegal ballots. Every illegal vote that is cast cancels out a legal citizens vote - and that is unacceptable.

IMO, voting should require some level of effort on the citizens part. Minimally that includes requiring citizens to register to vote (where proof of citizenship and residency are part of the process) well ahead of an election to allow the State time to verify your status and providing a State accepted voter ID when you show up at the poll to vote. GA and NC are proving that Voter ID is not an real impediment to voting as the record numbers in this election are proving so why won't all States institute this minimally intrusive requirement??

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Re: Welp.... at least one CHICOM is getting their illegally cast vote counted...

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How exactly does that post-election audit work??

Oct 31, 2024, 10:47 AM [ in reply to Re: Welp.... at least one CHICOM is getting their illegally cast vote counted... ]

Does it comb through all the voter registrations and somehow match them against some legal citizen database?? Furthermore - how long does this post-election audit process take and how do they rectify the actual vote counts to reflect that only legal votes are counted before a winner is declared?

According to the article this illegal CHICOM vote, though known to be fraudulent, will be counted because Michigan has no means to determine which completed ballot is actually the CHICOM's after it went through the tabulator. From what I gather in the article it appears to me the only audit ability Michigan has is a record of this CHICOM's registration, and that a vote was submitted against that registration. Without the ability to cancel his vote - what good is the Michigan post election audit going to do?

My problem with all this is that the fraud must be sniffed out BEFORE the election and before a ballot is allowed to be cast. The longer a State drags out the vote count and certifying their results - the less faith people have that our voting processes are being done without tampering. Put bluntly - a post-election audit that takes days/weeks/months to complete will be highly suspect no matter the result it produces. Can you imagine if Michigan completes their audit 2 weeks from election day where a winner has already been declared and found that over a thousand votes were cast illegally but, as with this instance in the article, they are unable to cancel those votes because those ballots were run through the tabulator and there is no way figure out which ones belong to the illegal voters. It's like closing the barn door once the cows have already left the barn - it's a bureaucratic process that may identify a problem but does little/nothing to correct it and to ensure the integrity of the vote.

Instead of relying on post-election corrections which will not be trusted by significant portions of the population - States should do their due diligence BEFORE the election by instituting processes and rules that verify and ensure only legal votes are cast to begin with. Weeding out the illegal/fraudulent voter registrations and ballot requests should be done PRIOR to the election where Election day is simply a counting of legal votes that were already determined legal by having screened, up-to-date/accurate voter rolls where a voter's ID was checked and verified at the poll.

I simply cannot buy into any desired voting process where voters are not required to provide evidence of citizenship, residency, and present a State authorized/validated photo ID as being legitimate. I also cannot abide arguments against the yearly maintenance of voter rolls to remove dead people and those that no longer reside in election districts. Yet one political Party continually opposes these voter integrity measures and I simply do not believe that it is due to their claims of voter suppression. The only genuine reason to oppose these voter integrity measures is to intentionally make our voting processes porous with little ability to detect/stop fraud. I don't care if the actual fraud is just 1% of ballots (we don't truly know) - that is still 1% of votes that are negating the will/voice of the citizenry and in this day and age - we should never allow that to happen.

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Welp.... at least one CHICOM is getting their illegally cast vote counted...