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Would an armed audience have helped in Colorado
Jul 20, 2012, 10:58 AM
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(warning- long rant, csb, did not read to follow)
I didn't want to threadjack, so I started a new one.
Here's the deal- yes there were "smoke bombs" or "tear gas" (have seen both quoted) and yes, he had on body armor and a riot helmet... BUT
Suppose you take your wife and children to see a movie and this guy busts in. He starts shooting and ends up at the edge of your row in the aisle. He turns toward your daughter, lifts his gun... STOP
At this moment, would you rather be the guy with no gun, who is going to jump toward him knowing you're going to to get shot and likely die right in front of your daughter and wife, or would you prefer to have a .40 in the holster from the moment he steps into the theater, trying to find a way to protect your family?
YES- I know that even with guns, alot of people would have likely died in the process of getting this guy down. YES- I know that it's tough to hit vitals when someone has on body armor and a riot helmet, especially with smoke/gas in the air. YES- I know that the VAST majority of the population has a flight instinct and has no desire to save innocent lives when someone like this starts firing a gun, and very few people have the intestinal fortitude to even attempt to stay put or mount a counter-offensive.
HOWEVER, with no firearm, and a family with women and children that stand no chance of fighting the stampede out the door, you got 2 options- human shield OR stand there and watch your family die. Me personally, I'd rather at least attempt to get close enough to put one through his neck while he's turned the other way, or else at least show him what a few bullets through his legs and arms feel like on his way to he ll. Think about it- if even 3 people in that theater were armed and brave, they could have gotten to him before he could shoot all three, given him what he deserved (a warm swim in a lake of fire), and saved dozens of innocent lives.
Sorry if this offends anyone, but "everyone should just run as best they can to safety" and "there's nothing you can do if he has on body armor or throws a smoke bomb" are just not intelligent responses, and they lead to no solutions for dealing with situations like this. Everyone who is capable with a weapon should carry- not only for their sake, but for the sake of helping protect others as well, whether the innocents are family or just human beings that deserve our help. And NEARLY everyone can become capable with a weapon if they train. No excuses- do what you can to help. By the time the police arrive, it's just for a report. WE have to help protect innocent people. All of us.
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Jul 20, 2012, 11:02 AM
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If you had a few cops or military, trained and armed and
Jul 20, 2012, 11:05 AM
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sober, they might have been able to stop him with less carnage than what happened.
But IMO if you had a handful of non-trained, possibly non-sober civilians with guns, a shootout in that theater would have been likely, and probably would have resulted in more casualties.
IMO.
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the gunman calmly walked up and shot over 50 people
Jul 20, 2012, 11:09 AM
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at point blank range and you think the crossfire of a few people shooting at him while he tried to aim at them and focus on them and shoot back while others escaped would have made it worse?
Sorry man, but I disagree fully. If nothing else, the "flight" crowd would have had cover fire.
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I would take the chance of a few people being armed.........
Jul 20, 2012, 11:13 AM
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and having a CWP. Than no one being able to defend what went on in that theater.
Yes with the hysteria that went on I'm sure even someone trained could have hit a innocent person. It's a better alternative than what happened last evening.
I usually carry when I go to the movies. And people have asked, why what's going to happen there? Well we've seen what can happen.
Tomorrow when we go see Batman I probably won't carry because of the knee jerk reaction that this will cause. I'm sure they will be extra vigilant for awhile.
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I believe a big difference between your argument and the OP
Jul 20, 2012, 11:13 AM
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is that you are referring to irresponsible gun owners, where he may be a bit more optimistic thinking about gun owners who actually know how and when to use their guns, and practice on a regular basis.
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Jul 20, 2012, 11:17 AM
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typical american there
Jul 20, 2012, 11:55 AM
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Hard to hold onto your bottle while you're "helping a few
Jul 20, 2012, 11:30 AM
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dudes out" in the back.
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i've missed you.***
Jul 20, 2012, 11:40 AM
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Jul 20, 2012, 11:06 AM
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Yes! absolutely.....and point.***
Jul 20, 2012, 11:22 AM
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POTD - on Friday................
Jul 20, 2012, 11:24 AM
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and it's early.
Well done, sir
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I haven't been a big concealed carry proponent
Jul 20, 2012, 11:35 AM
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but recently I am becoming more so. I have several guns including a 9 mm pistol, so I am not anti gun, but I've never thought I needed to carry.
I'm beginning to change my mind on the matter..and had I been there, I would have much rather had my pistol than not.
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Seems like a well trained and appropriately armed...
Jul 20, 2012, 11:48 AM
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... security guard makes more sense. If you're talking about being in control, I'm with you. If you're talking about sheer numbers of innocent people dying, I think a society where everybody's packing heat will exceed what we have now.
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I used to think that. I don't any longer.
Jul 20, 2012, 11:51 AM
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Someone who doesn't know if I have a gun is probably less likely to attempt anything malicious if he thinks he's going to get shot as soon as he attempts it.
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I don't see any historical precedence for that assumption.
Jul 20, 2012, 12:00 PM
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In the past, in societies where carrying weapons was commonplace, so was settling one's arguments in the street. If all the "law-abiding" citizens become armed, the criminal element will just up the ante. Knowing the other side was armed never stopped a gang war.
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Well...it stopped the cold war.
Jul 20, 2012, 12:05 PM
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A few weeks ago I was at a boat landing where I was "harrassed" by a group of dudes..much larger than I am. It was just me...and 4-5 of them. I'm not a big guy, and would have had no chance had it become physical. I was able to get out with out injury..but it got to a point where I was VERY uncomfortable. Were they to merely see that I was carrying..I don't think it would have occurred.
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Rocky stopped the Cold War***
Jul 20, 2012, 12:06 PM
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^^^ I'm glad SOMEONE paid attention in History class***
Jul 20, 2012, 12:10 PM
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I had the day off and went out on my boat by myself.
Jul 20, 2012, 12:23 PM
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When I came in and there was of dudes in a POS boat that pulled in right behind me. Landing was empty..just us, on a weekday. Not much trafic at all.
I took notice of them, and started gettinng everything put up, trying to hurry to go get my truck. As soon as they got to the the dock, they started asking me if I had any beer, and also what kind of depth finder I had on my boat. They continued while I was tieing up, and I noticed then that two of them were all of a sudden at the front of my boat on the dock, and two were behind me on the dock staring at me. They kept on about having any "beer to lend" and then they started with "how much did that boat cost?" I kind of laughed it off--"nope, no beer, sorry" and just ignored the how much did it cost stuff--but they really didn't want to take "no" for an answer. They kept on with it.I knew where this was going. I could tell what I felt like was about to happen, and luckily about that time someone else drove up to put their boat in and thy kind of shut up.
I basically jumped off my boat in front of the two dudes in front of my boat--almost busted my @ss. I'll admit it--whether legitamitely or not--my jimmies were rustled. That landing doesn't get much traffic during the week. And it was low tide. They could have beat the crap out of me and tossed me in the water and noone would have seen or heard it.
Luckily 2 or 3 more trucks came down to put their boats in while I was off getting my truck. Had that not happened..I'm not sure of the outcome. I do feel like had they seen me strapping on a gun, the whole exchange would have been different...at least for me.
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Geez. That sucks.***
Jul 20, 2012, 12:26 PM
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Explaining it, reading it, it doesn't sound that bad.
Jul 20, 2012, 12:30 PM
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But being there..alone..I'm telling you--there was intent. I could sense it. Its hard to describe, but there were too many pieces that even I noticed (and I generally don't look for that kinda stuff nor think its going to happen).
It made me think alot about my own protection. This one time, I'm really glad my wife wasn't there.
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Sometimes it ain't hard to tell when people are up to
Jul 20, 2012, 12:31 PM
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something.
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If it wasn't Friday afternoon, I'd ask you to explain...
Jul 20, 2012, 12:11 PM
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... how it stopped the cold war. But I'll settle for telling you that if I felt like I needed to carry a gun, I would do it. I still have confidence in my ability to avoid such situations, but if that wanes, I'll be packing too. I just don't see such an armed society as the answer to our crime problems.
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How could you have avoided this movie theater situation if
Jul 20, 2012, 12:13 PM
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you were sitting in the front row with your family?
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If movie theatre massacres become commonplace...
Jul 20, 2012, 12:15 PM
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... then I'll stop going to the #### movies.
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That's kinda the point.
Jul 20, 2012, 12:28 PM
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Being prepared for the UNcommon situation is what concealed carry is all about.
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Jul 20, 2012, 12:31 PM
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Kiss my ###.
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Jul 20, 2012, 12:40 PM
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Jul 20, 2012, 12:42 PM
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It's a personal choice. And I know every single one...
Jul 20, 2012, 12:39 PM
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... of you that carry regularly consider yourself responsible. I also consider myself responsible enough to carry. Don't take it personal, but the knowledge that every yahoo and his brother could also be carrying does NOT make me feel safer in public.
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Not to ratle you, but there's probably a lot more folks
Jul 20, 2012, 12:41 PM
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carrying than you think.
At least the ones who are doing it legally, I somewhat have a good sense for as I understand their motives.
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Actually, no.
Jul 20, 2012, 12:46 PM
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There's plenty, which is why I'm certain there were several concealed weapons in that movie theatre, and they stayed concealed. If the Lounge is any indication, you don't have to undergo any sort of psychological evaluation to get a CWP.
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Notsureifserious.jpg
Jul 20, 2012, 12:48 PM
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The folks in here, ignoring their internets personna, are exactly what I would hope would be carrying.
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All I know is their internet personas.
Jul 20, 2012, 1:23 PM
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And some of them don't act like they could handle a pocket knife, much less a hogleg.
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two requirements for NC CWP
Jul 20, 2012, 12:58 PM
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among many:
does not suffer from a physical or mental infirmity that prevents the safe handling of a handgun; • has successfully completed an approved firearms safety and training course which involves the actual firing of handguns and instruction in the law governing the carrying of a concealed handgun and the use of deadly force;
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Do you have to certify in some way that you're not...
Jul 20, 2012, 1:15 PM
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... batshit crazy? I know you have to be trained, but that just makes you a better shot, not a better judge.
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Now that I don't know, just been dealing with gun stuff
Jul 20, 2012, 1:17 PM
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all day (got my permit, purchase tomorrow) and figured I would share that since it was on a page i recently viewed.
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Psychological evaluation once allowed me
Jul 20, 2012, 1:02 PM
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NATO Secret Clearance.
My latest MMPI warrants me Unescorted Nuclear Access.
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Re: I'm with you. Like I said, I used to think the same thing
Jul 20, 2012, 12:36 PM
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U better hurry!! osamaobama will take all our guns if the USA is STUPID ENOUGH to re-elect that muslim fanatic!!
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Source?***
Jul 20, 2012, 12:23 PM
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you first. google it. I can tell you would argue the
Jul 20, 2012, 12:28 PM
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sources anyway.
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I did.
Jul 20, 2012, 12:33 PM
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Why don't you try it, and look beyond the Lott report. But I wasn't referring to recent crime statistics, but a more historical context. I'm not talking about concealed weapons laws. I'm talking about a fully armed society, which is what some seem to endorse here. History is pretty clear about those societies: you'd better be quick, or you'll die with that gun in your hand. I think we can do better than that, as people, and as a country.
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I would if I had time
Jul 20, 2012, 12:51 PM
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But this #### job is requiring way too much effort today.
I'm not referring to the Lott report, but all my sources would be from mostly pro-gun publishers that I've read over the years which would be quickly dismissed by most gun control advocates regardless of validity. IMO, lawful gun ownership is the responsible citizen's only option against the portion of illigally armed society. I hear you about a fully armed society, old West/Mad Max style. Unfortunately, part of our society is already there so I plan to be as prepared as possible to protect me and my family and hope like hell not to ever need it.
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I'm not anti-concealed carry.
Jul 20, 2012, 1:13 PM
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Just don't think it's the solution to the crime problem, and it certainly won't change a psychopath's mind.
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then kill the psycho if possible and if threatened.
Jul 20, 2012, 1:16 PM
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Problem solved.
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So there were no concealed weapons in this theatre?
Jul 20, 2012, 1:19 PM
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That's not likely.
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How the hell am I supposed to know?
Jul 20, 2012, 1:26 PM
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And just carrying doesn't automatically stop the threat. If there were any folks carrying in there (which btw is illegal in NC), I seriously doubt they were trained to use their weapons in a chaotic, dark, tear gas laden confined space while being shot at. Most LEO's aren't prepared for that.
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Exactly.***
Jul 20, 2012, 1:27 PM
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That's where the "if possible" part comes in
Jul 20, 2012, 1:32 PM
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and being equipped to have that option "if possible" is a choice I'll make everytime.
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if you spill said psychopaths brain onto the concrete before
Jul 20, 2012, 1:17 PM
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he can yours, then you have successfully changed his mind into your way of thinking.
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We're not talking about a small business here.
Jul 20, 2012, 1:17 PM
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We're talking about a very large buisiness that handles a lot of cash and requires limited access.
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Yes, more guns will solve everything.....
Jul 20, 2012, 11:52 AM
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Just look how well it has worked out for us so far.
I recently read on a world travel blog where an Australian was answering a question about his country, "Come visit us mate! We're just like the United States, except without the violence, guns, and murders by guns."
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Jul 20, 2012, 11:58 AM
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One incident....
Jul 20, 2012, 1:01 PM
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Granted, it was a huge one, but it's also their only one.
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With the diverse population we have, and the sheer number
Jul 20, 2012, 11:58 AM
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of people, guns are a necessary evil. You can't compare us to Australia or England simple based off of our sheer size and diversity.
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China's not diverse, but they blow away the population...
Jul 20, 2012, 1:00 PM
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defense.
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and is a great source for cheap, lighly used
Jul 20, 2012, 1:18 PM
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livers and kidneys from the prison population.
Just a mental note for ya.
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I've owned several handguns thru the years,
Jul 20, 2012, 11:53 AM
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for home use, if I'm off on a trip alone and especially when I used to run a paper route (gun was always within gasp).
But its sad that I have to tote one on date night when I go to dinner or movie.
But a girl gots to do what a girls gots to do. SAD WORLD
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Did you see where the lady hugged the Detroit cop who was
Jul 20, 2012, 11:57 AM
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off duty and carrying and some way his gun went off and killed her. Happened a week or two ago
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She tell him she was carrying...
Jul 20, 2012, 11:59 AM
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his baby?
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Me being able to protect myself has absolutely nothing to do
Jul 20, 2012, 12:28 PM
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with the guy.
I understand that whole, "I have to protect my wife and family" but guess what you aren't there 24/7/365.
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Hey OSF
Jul 20, 2012, 2:02 PM
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are you single?
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As a husband and father, it's my job to protect my family as
Jul 20, 2012, 11:59 AM
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best I can. Stuff beyond my control is bound to happen, but owning a gun and being proficient with it are two ways to keep my family safe.
I'm wondering how the media would reacted if someone with a concealed weapon would have been able to take down the shooter before he was able to kill as many people as he did. They definitely would have been conflicted in their reporting.
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Old guy in FLA internet cafe a few days ago
Jul 20, 2012, 12:01 PM
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I heard he was stupid and endangering folks by shooting at the would be thieves with a gun.
There will be complaints either way.
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Re: Old guy in FLA internet cafe a few days ago
Jul 20, 2012, 12:31 PM
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that was so funny. those guys fell all over themselves running from him. bad a wannabes
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A midnight movie, and no one in the audience was packing?
Jul 20, 2012, 12:06 PM
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yeah right.
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Let's try to imagine the scene
Jul 20, 2012, 12:17 PM
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You are sitting their watching the movie. It's dark and your night vision sucks because the screen is flashing. Then, bang, some sort of smoke starts pouring into the theatre from behind you. Now shots start coming, people are screaming, jumping over seats, trampling people. You are looking for who is shooting, but you're pretty much hemmed in by the mass of humanity heading toward the exit. Do you really think you could identify the shooter, pull your weapon, and eliminate him without shooting the guy that flashes in front of you on the way out the door?
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yes***
Jul 20, 2012, 12:22 PM
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Really, do you also fun a 4.1 40 and bench 500 ilbs
Jul 20, 2012, 12:26 PM
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In the dark with people running and screaming and smoke pouring in, with the film creating a strobe light effect you would be able to single out the shooter, and get close enough to shoot him without shooting someone else or having him shoot you with the AK he is packing, I'm impressed.
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4.55 and 375 but who's counting
Jul 20, 2012, 12:35 PM
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relax, I'm just joking.
Plus, I think "strobe light effect" is a bit of an exaggeration for a movie theater. I do believe I could identify the shooter, especially since he started shooting from in front of the audience, but the rest... no I haven't shot enough to say I could have hit him.
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Carrying a gun in theatre might give me a warm, fuzzy...
Jul 20, 2012, 12:23 PM
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... feeling. Knowing the guy behind me, and across the aisle, is carrying one... not so much.
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I bet the parents of that baby wish someone in that theater
Jul 20, 2012, 12:25 PM
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was packing.
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You are missing the point
Jul 20, 2012, 12:29 PM
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The guy had an AK, you have a pistol. He has a plan, you have no idea whats going on. He has no specific targets, you have to pick him out in a dark, crowded theatre filled with smoke. He doesn't care who he shoots, you can't just start blasting off shots in his general direction without killing innocent people.
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Just curl up in the fetal position and whimper.
Jul 20, 2012, 12:33 PM
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Maybe he won't notice you.
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Maybe you should just squeeze off random shots in the chaos
Jul 20, 2012, 12:35 PM
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That doesn't seem like a solution either. There is no good choices in this situation. I'm guessing most people would head for the exit.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Random shots?
Jul 20, 2012, 12:38 PM
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I don't fire "random" shots, at anything.
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My point exactly.***
Jul 20, 2012, 12:38 PM
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my guess is you'd be the first one gone, in that situation***
Jul 20, 2012, 12:36 PM
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Hard to say. I saw an interview with a girl that said he
Jul 20, 2012, 12:40 PM
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aimed at her, then shot someone behind her. Then he turned away and started shooting someone else.
Were you packing...there is your shot.
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I'm not "blasting off" anything
Jul 20, 2012, 12:35 PM
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I've got 18 shots in my XDM clip. I'm only shooting if I have a shot.
I'd think his plan goes to #### once someone starts shooting back.
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He is in a crowded theatre
Jul 20, 2012, 12:36 PM
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You can't "shoot back" without shooting someone else. You've got to hit him in the first shot.
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It would take 1 shot to take him down.
Jul 20, 2012, 12:38 PM
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Thats all.
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"But you will miss and kill innocent people!!!"***
Jul 20, 2012, 12:39 PM
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Stealing the "dude's" kill ratio.***
Jul 20, 2012, 12:40 PM
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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I don't think anyone is suggesting it would be easy.
Jul 20, 2012, 12:39 PM
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The alternative, which is what occurred, doesn't turn out any better. Innocent people were shot.
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and now tax payers get to support this guy for how long
Jul 20, 2012, 12:42 PM
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while he gets his trials and hopefully the death penalty.
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Unless you are SWAT or some para-military dood
Jul 20, 2012, 12:43 PM
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I'm not sure any amount of training would prepare for something like that.
But I like my odds of getting out of there alive with a gun rather than with out one.
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I also would like to think that odds would be
Jul 20, 2012, 12:46 PM
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better that I wouldn't shoot as many innocent people as the gunman did.
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Or if you did, you at least had the same caliber as the shooter
Jul 20, 2012, 12:50 PM
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Insert winky
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My fear would be either having the gun and being so nervous
Jul 20, 2012, 12:51 PM
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I wouldn't use it, or if he had shot/killed someone with me like my wife or family member. I'm afraid I would unload all 18 on him, and I'd go to jail for that.
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Keep shooting til' the chamber's breeched.***
Jul 20, 2012, 12:53 PM
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Good question.
Jul 20, 2012, 1:28 PM
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Obviously, not a good choice on the parents part.
I'm sure they understand how bad of a choice it was.
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Orange Blooded [3148]
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Dude was wearing a gas mask
Jul 20, 2012, 12:51 PM
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I think I could pick that out with way less light than a movie screen
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Kinda singles him out as a target, thats for sure
Jul 20, 2012, 12:54 PM
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and blurs his vision as well I'd imagine.
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We can't discriminate, it's his right to wear gas mask!***
Jul 20, 2012, 12:55 PM
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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People were wearing costumes
Jul 20, 2012, 1:00 PM
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"The shooting unfolded inside a darkened theater packed with Batman fans, some in costume for the movie's premiere. Screaming, panicked moviegoers scrambled to escape from the black-clad gunman, who wore a gas mask and randomly shot as he walked up the theater's steps, witnesses said."
Maybe not as easy as it seems. Plus if the guy is walking on the steps, the only chance you have is if you're sitting at the end of the isle.
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How many had gas masks on, shooting at people?
Jul 20, 2012, 1:10 PM
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Seems that last part would narrow your target environment down.
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Interestingly enough
Jul 20, 2012, 1:18 PM
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Bane a main character in the movie wears a gas mask.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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Re: People were wearing costumes
Jul 20, 2012, 1:12 PM
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"the only chance you have is if you're sitting at the end of the isle."
If nothing else, I suggest that either you are your Ranger instructor pal invest in an Impact Seal Ground Target. Stop shooting at paper and try some moving targets. It'll be good practice for you. Obviously, you have no confidence with a firearm and you are the type of individual that you and others are afraid of, with concealed carry.
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Its not the fact that he is moving
Jul 20, 2012, 1:16 PM
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Its the fact there would be people between you and the shooter. I shoot moving targets and i shoot on the move.
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Me too, but I've never shot a USPSA match
Jul 20, 2012, 1:22 PM
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in a fog of tear gas. Truth is I'd probably be puking and ######## myself too bad to even see SOB. As comfortable and competent as I am with my pistols, I'll never pretend to know what I'd do in the unfortunate situation that would require their use.
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While I would agree, it's better to hypothetically
Jul 20, 2012, 1:26 PM
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visualize doing something positive, other than ######## your pants.
Had to do the gas chamber thing in military basic training. It ain't pleasant.
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oh yeah, I'll hypothetically envision myself saving
Jul 20, 2012, 1:36 PM
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every life in there, but having never been put in that situation or experiencing gas, I simply don't know. But I guarantee you I would try if possible.
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All-TigerNet [11208]
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That's nice but, are you any good at it?
Jul 20, 2012, 1:24 PM
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Sorry if my posts come off as antagonistic. It's just that you really don't seem to think that you or anyone else, for that matter, could actually pull off capping this guy.
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I'm decent, my Ranger buddy is incredible
Jul 20, 2012, 1:29 PM
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Still, I think the only chance you would have to hit him would be in that 10 to 20 second period when he first starts shooting and people are in their seats. I think by the time you figure out what is happening it would be too late to get a shot off. Have you ever been sitting in the movie theatre and had to pee. It was hard as heck to get to the end of the isle without tromping on a fat chicks foot and tripping into someones lap. Now imagine everyone is up and jumping over seats desperately trying to get to the exist. There is no chance you can get a shot at the guy then.
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So what would be your solution
Jul 20, 2012, 1:32 PM
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were you there, and had your weapon?
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Good question.***
Jul 20, 2012, 1:35 PM
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I think by the time I pulled my weapon
Jul 20, 2012, 1:36 PM
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I only have a shot at the guy hopping over the seat in front of me. Seeing as how I have no reason to shoot him, I would probably head toward the exist scared as hell with the rest of the crowd. The design of a crowded movie theatre is not conducive to accurate shooting.
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Re: Accurate shooting.
Jul 20, 2012, 1:43 PM
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That's a reasonable assessment. With most concealed weapons, anything past 30' or so, you might as well just throw it at 'em.
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Here is the thing, I'm not against concealed weapons
Jul 20, 2012, 1:52 PM
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I don't feel the need to carry one, but if others do, then as long as they have the training and are in practice, go for it. However, I don't think it would have helped in this situation.
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In that scenario, I may have been in luck.
Jul 20, 2012, 1:35 PM
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I always try to sit on the aisle end. However, as my luck goes, I'd probably be on the wrong side.
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How many people in the theatre would have had a shot?
Jul 20, 2012, 1:37 PM
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No more than 10 I would think.
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YES - armed citizen would have helped A LOT
Jul 20, 2012, 2:00 PM
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BOOM
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This thread might turn out to be longer than the epic.......
Jul 20, 2012, 3:12 PM
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What are you reading or what movie thread.
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depends on how long your drugs last***
Jul 20, 2012, 3:38 PM
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I was at that theatre last August
Jul 20, 2012, 4:44 PM
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scary
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bump***
Jul 23, 2012, 11:22 AM
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lulz, I was wondering why the scroll bar got so small
Jul 23, 2012, 11:35 AM
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all of a sudden
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yep...conversation was heading this way anyway***
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Re: I say give yourself a chance
Jul 23, 2012, 11:53 AM
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Get a CWP, keep it updated, get a gun, practice, know how to use it and train your kids and family in gun safety.
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Yep.
Jul 23, 2012, 12:37 PM
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Multiple shooters in a dark, crowded room where everyone is panicing would have made things a lot better.
Or one, calm person who actually had a decent shot could have saved a lot of folks. Not something I'd speculate too heavily on.
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You don't have to have a concealed permit to carry
Jul 23, 2012, 12:41 PM
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I am not sure why everyone is going nutso to get a CWP. If you are going to carry a gun, be a man about it and carry it, like John Wayne. We too often forget that this is legal. CWP lets you shoot yourself in the leg or #### because most people have zero reason to have a CWP and hiding a gun..
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Who said anything about concealed carry?
Jul 23, 2012, 1:03 PM
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Although to your statement, I don't know how many states allow openly carried firearms in public spaces.
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