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Tiger Titan [50192]
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Questioning Brownell's effort and desire is uncalled for.
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Mar 25, 2025, 1:21 PM
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I have seen multiple posts lately stating that Brad is "fat and happy" with his salary and not trying his best. Other posts say that he got the contract extension and doesn't care anymore.
It is fair to disagree with his coaching strategy, or state that you would rather have someone else coaching the team. But acting like he isn't giving his absolute best is unfair.
He works his tail off for the program, and he has since he got the job. His work ethic is unmatched in the Clemson athletic department. I realize that some of you don't care about that, but I don't think it is fair to question his effort.
Carry on.
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"His work ethic is unmatched in the Clemson athletic department"
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Mar 25, 2025, 1:27 PM
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Source?
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Re: "His work ethic is unmatched in the Clemson athletic department"
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Mar 25, 2025, 1:44 PM
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He IS the source (I'm serious)
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Re: "His work ethic is unmatched in the Clemson athletic department"
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Mar 25, 2025, 2:07 PM
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Probably the same source that tells him that Indiana was very interested in Brownell and there are expectations for win totals in Dabo’s contract. I’ve asked for that source before and I think it was some guy named Jiminy because crickets was all I got.
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Tiger Titan [50192]
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Indiana was interested in Brownell and he chose to stay at Clemson.
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Mar 25, 2025, 2:56 PM
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That is true no matter how many times some of you want to imagine that Indiana told him no.
I never said that there is language in Dabo’s contact for win totals. Please stop making things up.
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Re: Indiana was interested in Brownell and he chose to stay at Clemson.
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Mar 25, 2025, 3:06 PM
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Why are you getting riled up over people "making things up"? You do it frequently during FB season and then when faced with evidence to the contrary, you ignore it, only to post the same tripe in a different thread.
Hold yourself to the same standard
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Tiger Titan [50192]
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Nope, I didnt make up Dabo underachieving, failing to use the portal, etc.
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Mar 25, 2025, 4:30 PM
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Those are all true.
Next!
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Re: Nope, I didnt make up Dabo underachieving, failing to use the portal, etc.
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Same guy who says he never takes shots at the football program btw ^
Man is seriously insecure
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Re: Indiana was interested in Brownell and he chose to stay at Clemson.
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Mar 25, 2025, 5:32 PM
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There is no way that Indiana was interested in him as one of their top two or three candidates. Maybe a fall back and probably only if he had another nice tourney run. Indiana goes after the cream of the crop and probably always gets a top 5 guy that is available. Brownell was not that. Not saying he hasn't done a good job here recently, aside from that tourney/end of season debacle of course.
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Re: Indiana was interested in Brownell and he chose to stay at Clemson.
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Mar 25, 2025, 6:38 PM
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You absolutely have said several times that Dabo was given his contract based on an expectation of winning more games than we did the last few years. You need to stop lying.
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Where did I question his work ethic?!?
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Mar 25, 2025, 2:57 PM
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I said that the RESULTS were not good enough. I have never doubted his effort.
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Re: Where did I question his work ethic?!?
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Mar 25, 2025, 3:54 PM
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If he’s always had the work ethic and any shortcomings were purely because of our inept administration and horrible fanbase, which has been your default position as long as we’ve interacted, then why were you free to call for his firing in 2015? Obviously in 2015 you felt like his ability, regardless of of admin or effort, wasn’t good enough. You dismiss any argument that tries to look at his tenure holistically, and here you are taking a more hardline stance in 15 than I was.
Brad coaches like a NFL wide receiver performs in a contract year. The extension after the Elite 8 was reasonable but the announcement of this one - before the postseason begins - portends one of his jumbo packages. Brownell has been handsomely rewarded for his accomplishments here. It is time for any new funds that magically become available to be directed into the program - not Brad’s pockets. Making a $300,000 bonus for this year’s post season is clown ####. Making a bonus if he makes the NIT is clown ####. His salary needs to be topped off at present level. One year extensions max. Anything other than ACC regular season title, tournament titles, Final Four, and National Championship bonuses need to be axed. And those bonuses made significant enough to matter. Give him a $25 million bonus to win a national championship. It’ll pay for itself. Our athletic department approach to his tenure has been garbage and frankly that is a position you should agree with.
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Re: Questioning Brownell's effort and desire is uncalled for.
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Mar 25, 2025, 1:27 PM
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Pay me millions for 15 years and give me another 6 years to make more millions - you can question me all you want.
I don't blame him for the McNeese loss. 13 points is on the guys shooting the ball. Even more unfortunate is we could have beaten purdue to advance to the sweet 16. But its over and done.
But in BB's position the "questioning" goes with the job and he doesn't need you to defend him.
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Tiger Titan [50192]
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Again, questioning his coaching decisions, strategy, rotations, recruiting, etc.
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Mar 25, 2025, 1:52 PM
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are fair game. That goes with the territory.
While I agree that he can't directly control whether players make their shots, he is responsible for the team's performance. That also goes with the territory.
Questioning his desire or effort are unfair, given the fact that there is zero evidence that he has not given his best effort.
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Re: Again, questioning his coaching decisions, strategy, rotations, recruiting, etc.
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Mar 25, 2025, 2:10 PM
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But you readily question if Dabo is giving his best effort because he has not used the transfer portal enough to satisfy your personal expectations.
You definitely sound like a cult member.
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Re: Again, questioning his coaching decisions, strategy, rotations, recruiting, etc.
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Exactly, the irony from this hisers post are hilarious
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Tiger Titan [50192]
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Correct. Refusing to use the transfer portal when it is legal and available
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Mar 25, 2025, 2:59 PM
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and literally every other division I school aside from the service academies is using it, warrants questioning.
I have never stated that Dabo does not work hard. He has a great work ethic. What’s funny though is that such questioning of his work ethic would not be tolerated here, but it’s fine to call Brad lazy.
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Re: Correct. Refusing to use the transfer portal when it is legal and available
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Mar 25, 2025, 3:11 PM
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No he did use the portal. He just didn't use it to the level that you personally thought he should. Do you get the difference?
So you are either questioning his coaching ability or you are questioning his effort.
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Tiger Titan [50192]
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Hold up.
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Mar 25, 2025, 3:02 PM
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If Brownell doesn’t need to be defended, why does Dabo? He gets defended by the cultists here hundreds of times a day, and he isn’t accused of being lazy because he got a new contract extension.
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Dabo gets results. brownL does not. See the difference?***
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Re: Dabo gets results. brownL does not. See the difference?***
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No. Keller does not see the difference.
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I, for one, don't question his desire and effort
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I question his ability to not lose to lesser quality opponents with "State" in their name, from places most of us have never heard of.
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Re: Questioning Brownell's effort and desire is uncalled for.
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My focus is on his coaching ability. Mediocre at best. Good thing he can hire players out of the portal.
And seriously, unmatched work ethic? Good one. I don’t say it much, but I appreciate your effort at defending someone who makes it so difficult. He doesn’t give you much with which to work.
Carry on
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It is actually...
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Mar 25, 2025, 1:39 PM
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Especially when he's getting a new contract....
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Tiger Spirit [10017]
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We all bring two things to a job, ability and desire.
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Mar 25, 2025, 1:46 PM
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In this case ability = coaching talents and desire = work ethic. If you can't question one then by default you must question the other.
Message was edited by: revmarkg®
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Tiger Titan [50192]
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You are welcome to question Brads coaching all you like.
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Mar 25, 2025, 3:01 PM
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It isn’t fair question his desire or work ethic.
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Re: You are welcome to question Brads coaching all you like.
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Agree with you JK, I do not question his desire or work ethic .. results though are debatable..however, and a very big however - I, like most, have issues with you bringing up Dabo and criticizing him and our football team to somehow justify Brad’s shortcomings and early tournament(s) exits. You want to talk basketball ..talk basketball ..leave Dabo out of it when Brad falls short ..Apples and oranges..
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Re: Questioning Brownell's effort and desire is uncalled for.
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Just About what you have been saying about Dabo over the last 4 years .
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All-In [10812]
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Look at your picture
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Mar 25, 2025, 1:57 PM
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He appears fat and happy
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So what we all saw last Thursday was his best!?!?!***
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Re: Questioning Brownell's effort and desire is uncalled for.
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Links to posters who say he is not trying or doesn't care?
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Re: Questioning Brownell's effort and desire is uncalled for.
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If Thursday was his best effort, then I’m definitely out until we get a new coach.
Thanks for the confirmation.
(even though it can’t read this because it has me on mute)
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Re: Questioning Brownell's effort and desire is uncalled for.
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There's a lot of meltdown because we lost to McNeese St. If it had been a "brand" program, then ok we lost. If you look at their roster, it's all transfers from "brand" programs. They are not a SC St or NC A&T. 4 of their starters would have started for us.
Baffling to me that we finish 27-7 and we have "fans" that say:
- I'm out until we get a new coach
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- Only because the ACC is weak
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- CBB can't win big games
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I disagree.
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Mar 25, 2025, 4:04 PM
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The problem is that we were a complete no-show.
Anticipated getting to the tournament all year, and then it was a giant turd and more excuses.
That is completely inexcusable.
Had nothing to do with the name of the opponent.
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Re: I disagree.
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Exactly. The first half was the worst half of basketball I have ever seen.
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Paw Warrior [4893]
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It's that he *is trying his best that troubles so many.
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So did Brandon Streeter and Wes, but they got shown the door do to lack of results. Face it, we have embraced mediocrity. There are three things I can guarantee every year for the next 20 years. We'll never win the conference outright, we will never win our conference tournament and we will never make it to the final 4. We are what we are, and we will always be.
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Re: Questioning Brownell's effort and desire is uncalled for.
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You are correct, as long as Brownell is the coach. I truly believe Clemson could do better.
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Game Changer [1942]
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I question his focus over the last 2 games of the year
Mar 25, 2025, 2:41 PM
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… while he was negotiating his contract. He certainly didn’t have the team ready to play those games as the first half of each game was horrible.
Sure, some is on the players, but when the WHOLE TEAM is off, that’s on the coach.
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Re: Questioning Brownell's effort and desire is uncalled for.
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Why were you allowed to decide that was irrelevant and call for his firing in 2015 but now we should play by your rules? Mocking football players for having a family member is also way worse than calling Brownell “fat and happy” which should be an expected result when you are paid an unprecedented amount for the quality of your work. He can cry into pillowcases stuffed with cash.
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/i-think-we-should-give-him-the-rest-of-the-season.-18607288
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I question the same things I have always questioned.
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Mar 25, 2025, 3:12 PM
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His ability to motivate, and decisions at the end of close games.
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Then please provide an explanation for that absolute turd of a gameplan he
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delivered for the tournament.
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It's easy. Watching the replay, CBB let his right elbow leak a little to the right on his 3 pt attempts. Pushes shots to the left a tad. He was a little flat footed blocking out and got outrebounded. But the 19-21 yr olds that didn't get their backs and a$$e$ patted enough and had to be cuddled and encouraged to play hard in a march madness game were awesome. All on bad coaching.
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he as much as admitted he was not prepared for the zone/man or their speed
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that's coaching. letting the guys heave up 3 pointers and missing every time is coaching, not using timeouts effectively is coaching. not having a team ready to play and motivated is coaching
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Re: he as much as admitted he was not prepared for the zone/man or their speed
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Thanks for the assist on my points.
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JK..Brad is a super, ethical, moral, religious, etc Man
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And a Basket Ball HC who could be rated by his long record as a C+ to a B+ overall performer along with the occasional D’s & A’s (Duke win being an A+) any human gets in life.
Saying, let’s give him a B- to a B rating at Clemson and go with that grade which will not or has not won the ACC Tournament yet, if that is the Standard fans want to see continue.
Yes, very few coaches or humans at work are Dabos, or whomever you want to put up on a higher level for wins and trophies in a certain amount of attempts.
Not me for sure!!
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so he had a good regular season but post season is what counts.
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and he lost to a program that has never one a tournament game until clemson.
that same team got spanked by purdue.
we just are not a basketball school.
go tigers!
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Re: Questioning Brownell's effort and desire is uncalled for.
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There is no arguing with the Lunatic Fringe. The turds have their minds made up. They hate Clemson basketball and will always hate Clemson basketball. Worst fan base in America. They sit by their keyboard swilling Jim Beam and waiting for Clemson to lose. Lose a game — fire the coach, get rid of the players. Wash, rise, repeat. Stupid and sophomoric. They always ignore the good and highlight the bad. Averaging almost 25 wins the last three years. Only Clemson basketball coach in history with a winning record in ACC play. Only Clemson. Coach in history to win a game in Chapel Hill. One losing season in 15 years at Clemson, known as the Siberia of the ACC as far as basketball is concerned. Zero awareness of what is going on. Zero. Part of me wishes Coach BroWnell would get another job and go to a place where he would get the respect he deserves. He certainly isn’t getting any respect at Clemson. Sad because he loves the Clemson and he does bust his ### for Clemson. I’ve seen him work. He knows how to work and what needs to be done. Time for the Lunatic Fringe to go back to junior high school or go sniff football jocks.
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Re: Judge Keller
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You just described JK during football season.
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Biggest game of the year the team was unprepared, listless, pathetic. On him. Don’t care how hard he thinks he works, he’s doing it wrong.
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Missing shots has nothing to do with being prepared.
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If our team was unprepared, listless, pathetic, odd that we lost by 2 pts. You saying we should have won by 30?
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Re: Questioning Brownell's effort and desire is uncalled for.
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Do coaches have any say over offensive strategy or is that something else Brownell isn’t responsible for. perhaps, and I’m just spit balling here, when you’re team can hit the broadside of the barn and is getting triple up score wise you slow the game down and work the ball inside. If we had cut that first half margin by 5-6 points we could have won the game easily in the second half. Instead, Brad did the disappointed dad head tilt a bunch of times and watched them do the same dumb crap over and over. Those of us with eyes, and an interest in Clemson basketball, have watched that same tired shtick rear its head for 15 years. Has it been less frequent the last few years. Sure. But we’ve still managed to lose to historically bad Louisville teams in 2022-23 and 23-24, and get blown out by a crap BC team last year while Eeyore does the same “aw shucks” back to the drawing board routine you find so adorable.
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Mcneese was less talenent. They seemed to want it more than we did. Whether that was just a perception or a lack of talent, leadership, intensity, focus, sleep, hydration, or whatever. They beat us on the little things every time. That needs to be fixed.
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Rival Killer [2697]
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Re: Questioning Brownell's effort and desire is uncalled for.
Mar 25, 2025, 10:11 PM
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When your coach said he was completely unprepared for an NCAA tourney game, that's disgraceful and disrespectful to the entire Clemson family.
To have done it twice, he needs to go.
To not have his players ready, is disgusting. He's paid to have them ready to go. THEY ARE PAID TO BE READY TO GO. To be out played physically by a smaller team, just blows the mind. On their biggest stage; the game they had worked for for the entire season, and they weren't ready...not prepared, not excited, just friggin not there, I'd have his knickers paying for his own flight home. It's a complete failure on his, and the teams, part . There is no excuse, no deniability, and certainly no compassion from me for the loser we have coaching our BB team. Thoroughly disgusted.
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