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National Champion [8031]
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I keep hearing about the SEC network.
Jul 2, 2012, 1:11 PM
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Can someone expalin how they can establish a network when they already have a TV contract with CBS and ESPN?
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Mainly because
Jul 2, 2012, 1:15 PM
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They are the SEC. Other conferences are not the SEC.
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Orange Blooded [3099]
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CBS and espn doesn't pick up every game. The sec...
Jul 2, 2012, 1:15 PM
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Network would pick up the other games. It's 3rd tier rights.
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Re: I keep hearing about the SEC network.
Jul 2, 2012, 1:16 PM
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The TV contracts have a set number of games that the networks have rights to. By establishing a network a conference can televise all remaining games as well as all other sporting events that are not usually shown on television.
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all you need to know about the SEC
Jul 2, 2012, 1:19 PM
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is they have a network and the ACC has Raycom. if there is ever any doubt as to why the ACC is viewed as small time that should answer it
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If we just win, Raycom will become a national player.
Jul 2, 2012, 2:58 PM
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JUST WIN!
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National Champion [7930]
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oh yes...just win and the Raycom issue goes away***
Jul 2, 2012, 4:07 PM
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Varsity [100]
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Let's calibrate our sarcasm meters.
Jul 2, 2012, 7:00 PM
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Shirley, you didn't take me seriuosly did you.
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negative ghost rider...I was going right along with you***
Jul 3, 2012, 9:24 AM
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I think others have answered before me, but I wish the ACC
Jul 2, 2012, 1:27 PM
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would set up its own network. I think it was considered a losing proposition before adding Pitt and Syracuse, but with the addition of those tow large states, I would think it would be a good move. The money on a conference network is largely based on cable fees and states where the conference has teams are automatics. The ACC now has more households in its footprint than any other conference.
In Atlanta, I get the Big Ten network. There's a lot of dog programming, but there is a lot of really good stuff during football and basketball. I enjoy the network and it has made me more interested in the Big Ten.
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I've given the idea of an "ACC Network" a lot of thought
Jul 2, 2012, 1:31 PM
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since the Big10 and UTexas announced they were doing their networks........I know EXACTLY how it would turn out. We'd be forced to watch round-the-clock video of unc sports----I couldn't handle it.
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I agree****
Jul 2, 2012, 4:41 PM
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BC was a horrible pic for the ACC...horrible
Jul 2, 2012, 4:03 PM
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UConn would have been a better pick than them.
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Getting a network into a cable lineup is not automatic,
Jul 2, 2012, 2:16 PM
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especially a basic cable lineup. Texas is having serious problems getting cable carriers in their home state to carry the LHN. The SEC will likely have no issues with carriers in La., Alabama, and Miss, and probably Tenn. also, but getting auto coverage in Fla., Tex, Ga., SC and KY is going to be tougher than most people think. Cable carriers are some tough hombres to deal with. Heck, the NY Yankees network (YES) got dropped from the local NYC carriers a few years back until they made significant revenue concessions.
The fact that the ACC is riding the network thing out a few more years before making a commitment may be very prudent considering that cable television's influence is waning with the onslaught of internet delivery. In several years internet distribution may be much more advantageous than cable TV. BTN has already stagnated in revenue according to this past year's league-generated numbers. It's still significant, but it's no longer growing according to projections.
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To add to what the others said, adding TAM and Mizzou
Jul 2, 2012, 1:56 PM
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increases their inventory of games, making a SEC Network very viable.
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I'm greatly looking forward to the gold mine that is a
Jul 2, 2012, 3:29 PM
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conference network. It's the future of conference sports. That's why the PAC 10 is going into it after the Big 10 worked the bugs out of it. The PAC 10 could have opted not to go into it. Their marketing pros determined it is the most profitable way. The SEC population base is much larger than that of the Big 10 and PAC 10. And people are moving from the rust belt to the sun belt. Thus, the future is even brighter.
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National Champion [8031]
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I understand all of that, but my question is how can that
Jul 2, 2012, 4:01 PM
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work with existing contracts. The Big10 and PAC models are considerably different than the SEC's TV contracts, which is much more like the ACC's contracts.
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Unlike the ACC, the SEC did not give up Tier 3 rights.***
Jul 2, 2012, 4:04 PM
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National Champion [8031]
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Well, if it's just tier 3 games available, I doubt the SEC
Jul 2, 2012, 4:07 PM
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Network will produce the mind boggling $$$ some have predicted.
The BIG10 and Pac Networks are not based on tier 3 coverage.
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National Champion [7930]
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article regarding total revenue split
Jul 2, 2012, 4:10 PM
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http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/51064/big-ten-to-distribute-284-million-to-teams
The Big Ten Network is helping fuel the league's success. Network president Mark Silverman announced on the call that the network is now available in more than 50 million homes nationwide, with the majority of subscribers living outside the league's footprint. Silverman said advertising revenue increased by more than 20 percent last year. Remember when people thought the Big Ten Network was a foolhardy idea?
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National Champion [7930]
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here is what is shown on the Big Ten network now
Jul 2, 2012, 4:12 PM
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Football
Through the creation of the Big Ten Network, every home Big Ten football game is nationally televised
Each team is guaranteed to make a minimum of two appearances on the network per year and one of those must be a conference game
The network televises approximately 35-40 football games each fall and all of them are available in high definition
[edit] Men's basketball
Through the creation of the Big Ten Network, every home Big Ten basketball conference game is nationally televised, and every non-conference and exhibition game is either televised or streamed on www.bigtennetwork.com.
Each Big Ten men's basketball team makes approximately 10-20 appearances a season on the Big Ten Network
The network televises approximately 60-65 in-conference match-ups, plus selected Big Ten Tournament contests, and virtually all of those games are produced in high definition
The network streams a select number of non-conference and exhibition games live on www.BigTenNetwork.com
The network has a set on-site at the Big Ten Men's Basketball Tournament in Indianapolis, with anchors providing coverage and analysis of all the action
[edit] Women's basketball
Each Big Ten women's basketball team makes approximately 8-10 appearances on the Big Ten Network
In all, the network televises approximately 50-60 regular season games plus approximately nine Big Ten Basketball Tournament games and all of these games are produced in high definition
The network streams dozens of games live on www.BigTenNetwork.com, giving Big Ten women’s basketball the most exposure of any conference in the country
The network has a set on-site at the Big Ten Women's Basketball Tournament in Indianapolis, with anchors providing coverage and analysis of all the action
[edit] Baseball
The Big Ten Network televises approximately 25 baseball games each spring, all in HD
Each Big Ten baseball team makes approximately 5-8 appearances on the Big Ten Network
In 2009, the network televised the Big Ten Baseball Tournament from start to finish
[edit] Ice hockey
The Big Ten Network televises approximately 10 hockey games, all in HD, and more than 20 live streamed games. Often times, the play by play and color announcers are not at the arena, but are calling the games via TV monitors in the BTN studio in Chicago. This happened on at least 2 occasions in 2012.
[edit] Olympic sports
The Big Ten Network televises more than 170 NCAA-sponsored events in both men's and women's sports such as hockey, baseball, softball, soccer, volleyball, track and field, swimming and diving, etc.
[edit] Big Ten Championships
The Big Ten Network televises 19 Big Ten Championships and Tournaments, including baseball, men’s and women’s basketball, men’s and women’s cross country, women’s field hockey, men’s and women’s golf, women’s rowing, men’s soccer, men’s and women’s swimming and diving, men’s and women’s tennis, men’s and women’s indoor and outdoor track & field and men’s wrestling.[14]
[edit] Online streams
In the 2009-10 school year, BTN began charging $2.99 per event for online feeds due to their significant financial investment in the latest streaming technology.[15]
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All-American [580]
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I don't know what the marketing pros of the SEC know. That's
Jul 2, 2012, 4:13 PM
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not my livlihood. Evidently, they have done their homework because that's where the SEC is going. And the start up date, I'm told, is 2014.
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National Champion [7930]
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another article
Jul 2, 2012, 4:15 PM
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/13230366/lucrative-big-ten-network-could-be-driving-force-for-expansion
The league joined with News Corp., parent of Fox Broadcasting, in a 20-year deal that could be worth $2.8 billion to the conference. That estimate was made two years ago by Sports Business Journal which included a five-year option in its estimate. Over 25 years, according to the publication, the partnership (51 percent Big Ten, 49 percent News Corp.) could earn the conference $112 million per year, which translates to $10.2 million per school. That's before factoring in other rights holders' deals.
The BTN is available in 73 million homes, which compares favorably to CBS College Sports (89 million) and The Mtn. (30 million). The Big Ten found space in a national historic landmark, a renovated former Montgomery Ward catalog center built in the 19th century on the Chicago River. A full-time staff of 100 may or may not know it is on the bottom floor of college athletics' next revolution.
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National Champion [7930]
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the Big10 network shows the games that would be relegated
Jul 2, 2012, 4:06 PM
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to a Raycom...but what dumb dumb did was instead of creating a ACC network for those games and that $ coming to the schools he insisted that Raycom be included in the negotiations. The $ from Raycom went to ESPN...not the schools. Can you even imagine the SEC or Big10 agreeing to such a ridiculous agreement to help out a family member/friend?
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The way i understand it is.
Jul 2, 2012, 4:14 PM
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The SEC Network would be run by ESPN or CBS like the Big Ten network and not totally owned by the league like the Pac-12 network is.
Also, I believe that the ACC and SEC have similar contracts with ESPN which allow them to create their own network. I think the ACC still isn't sold on the long term viability of a conference network and the conference likes their relationship with Raycom who basically runs the "ACC Network" for free and puts the games on free TV.
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let's see the Big Ten network made over $100M a yr but we're
Jul 2, 2012, 4:17 PM
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not certain it would work...this is the type of leadership within the ACC....
"The league joined with News Corp., parent of Fox Broadcasting, in a 20-year deal that could be worth $2.8 billion to the conference. That estimate was made two years ago by Sports Business Journal which included a five-year option in its estimate. Over 25 years, according to the publication, the partnership (51 percent Big Ten, 49 percent News Corp.) could earn the conference $112 million per year, which translates to $10.2 million per school. That's before factoring in other rights holders' deals."
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CU Guru [1895]
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Well things are never as simple as they may seem.
Jul 2, 2012, 4:30 PM
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If you want to believe Swofford and the 28 ACC Presidents and AD's are all idiots, fine.
What I think is that they value exposure over money. People here bring up that the ACC was the second most watched conference last year. Do you think that had anything to do with the fact that all of the league games were shown either on ESPN or on free TV through Raycom?
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I think Swofford is an idiot
Jul 2, 2012, 4:33 PM
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exposure doesn't pay the light bill...$ does...what the SEC and the other commissioners have done is achieve exposure with more revenue than the ACC.
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CU Guru [1895]
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Stop comparing the SEC and ACC
Jul 2, 2012, 4:41 PM
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They have won 7 of the last 9 national titles. Of course they make more money.
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I live in Atlanta....our rivals across the board are the SEC
Jul 2, 2012, 4:42 PM
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both on the field and on the recruiting trail...we compete against GA for recruits EVERY year...we compete against an SEC team in the state of SC on the field and it's pretty important for us to win that game. GT same with GA. FSU same with UF. Why not compare?
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It is actually the most fan friendly rights agreement by a
Jul 2, 2012, 6:02 PM
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long shot. Even the games that Raycom picks up under the new agreement will be available globally on ESPN3 outside of the affiliate market blackout areas, as will basketball, plus the significant extra coverage of non-revenue sports. The ACC will be the most accessible and available athletic conference in the world - our schools just aren't making as much money from it. It's a bit of a trade-off.
That still doesn't detract from the problems with Swofford's ties with Raycom and how it likely suppressed the deal's overall value, nor does it change the fact that the league office isn't savvy enough to even present the deal to the public in a way that better explains what it really is.
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I'm told it's up in the air as to which model the SEC will
Jul 2, 2012, 4:23 PM
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follow: Big 10 or PAC 10.
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National Champion [7930]
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agreed...Big10 is co-owned with Fox Sports***
Jul 2, 2012, 4:25 PM
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BINGO!!!!!***
Jul 2, 2012, 4:34 PM
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they aren't going to let them walk away
Jul 2, 2012, 4:36 PM
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they are going to create more revenue combined with a new agreement which will further increase exposure (your word) and revenue for all. Add an SEC network with 70 million viewers...roughly what the Big10 has today at....at an average of .30 cents per month per subscriber...average of what the Big10 gets today...you're looking at a $250M monster. Divide that by 14...additional $18M per school split.
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CU Guru [1895]
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You're not following.
Jul 2, 2012, 4:38 PM
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I'm talking about ESPN.
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evidently ESPN doesn't own the rights to all of the SEC's
Jul 2, 2012, 4:40 PM
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broadcast rights....which would be smart for the SEC to maintain...gives them the flexibility to create an additional revenue stream as the Big Ten has.
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wow...even more....and this past yr they added the ability
Jul 2, 2012, 4:54 PM
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to watch live games for a fee of $2.99 per game.
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But the SEC added to their inventory with TAM and Mizzou.
Jul 2, 2012, 4:51 PM
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I'm not an expert on this. But evidently it's coming, and soon (2014). I can assure you that Slive's "Project X" has nothing to do with espionage or nuclear weapons. None of us here have read the contracts. There obviously is an "out" for the addition of new schools. And beyond that, there are obviously certain triggers that further terminate contracts.
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evidently they have maintained their Tier 3 rights or they
Jul 2, 2012, 4:38 PM
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wouldn't have the ability to negotiate such a deal. The ACC gave everything to ESPN which then gave a part of it to Raycom. If they maintained those rights they can do whatever they choose with those games.
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National Champion [8031]
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I agree, but...
Jul 2, 2012, 4:47 PM
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If CBS has first choice of games (and they do). And then ESPN per the current contract has second choice of games(which they do) then the only football games available for the SEC Network would be games like Vandy against Miss St, and such. And there wouldn't be many of those games available either. So how would they generate big $$$?
The BIG10 and PAC started with a Network and then worked with ESPN/CBS/etc. The SEC and ACC started with a signed contract with ESPN/CBS. Now they are trying to start a network. I'm still interested is seeing how that will be done, and how much it is really worth.
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The Big Ten network doesn't get first choice of games
Jul 2, 2012, 4:49 PM
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ABC gets first choice, then ESPN, then Big Ten network.
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Very true. And evidently, it's very profitable.***
Jul 2, 2012, 4:57 PM
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essentially what you're doing is removing the Raycom/JP
Jul 2, 2012, 4:51 PM
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games and putting them on a paid network along with the basketball games that aren't picked up on ESPN. You're putting it on a network that generates around .30 per month per subscribing home.
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or they negotiated into the deal the ability at some pt
Jul 2, 2012, 4:57 PM
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to create an SEC network with one of the partners with each holding a certain amount of liability/revenue stake. Given that the SEC brand is only second to the NFL they are looking at a gold mine. People are NUTS about the SEC. They will get the network on tv and people will watch it.
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this quote....
Jul 2, 2012, 5:29 PM
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"The SEC's ultimate trump card is fanaticism. Other regions of the country like to watch their teams play, SEC fans must watch their teams play. With fanaticism comes the SEC's own insurance that cable companies will carry their product. Immediately, the SEC Network would become the most popular channel other than ESPN for sports fans in the South."
...is exactly why this network will flourish.
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Re: This will probably help answer your questions
Jul 2, 2012, 5:48 PM
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So why can't the ACC do this with the addition of the new states added with Pitt and Syracuse?
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