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What has happened at Clemson since
Nov 15, 2025, 11:07 PM
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2020 that has allowed teams like Indiana, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Ole Miss & Texas A&M to surpass us as a football championship contender?
Safe to say that the programs I listed probably to certainly have deeper pockets than we do. But other than money, what has changed to where those teams are now contenders and we are 5-5?
Full disclosure, I still believe in CDS and I wish him continued success here.
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Valley Protector [1427]
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Re: What has happened at Clemson since
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Nov 15, 2025, 11:08 PM
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It’s not money, it’s the fact that a lot of our coaching staff only have jobs because they know Dabo, not because they’re good or qualified for it
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I just looked at our assistant coaches
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Nov 15, 2025, 11:24 PM
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How are Nolan Turner, Cole Stoudt, Carter Thomason and the Swinney boys qualified to be coaching D1 football. I’m completely serious when I say this, I believe I’m just as qualified. I guarantee you I would not do any worse. This is absolutely part of the problem.
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Gridiron Giant [16038]
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Re: I just looked at our assistant coaches
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Nov 16, 2025, 4:14 AM
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it all depends on where they are on the coaching totem pole, what is expected for them to do by their employer. They played D1 football, some on championship teams. In the case of the Swinneys, they have been exposed to football and coaching since before they were ever weaned. If one or more of them has an interest in a coaching career, they certainly know what would be expected of them. Who knows, they just might actually be good at it, unless you are personally involved in the program, you have no clue if they are any good or not. Do I see them as next year's OC or DC? Heck NO. None of those should be thrown out on the basis of their connections or their name, but on their individual performance at their specific job assigned duties.
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Clemson Conqueror [11193]
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Go learn the trade in HS or lower level first like
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Nov 16, 2025, 5:30 AM
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everyone else, not at D1 Clemson!
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DJU. I blame DJU
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Nov 15, 2025, 11:57 PM
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Close second is coaching. For allowing DJU to be the guy. Set us back 2 solid years, but decades in recruiting and retention.
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Athletic Dir [1123]
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I watched our elite status
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Nov 16, 2025, 12:07 AM
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and confidence as a program slip away in real time, the season opener against Georgia in 2021. We had so much talent it papered over the cracks for a couple more years, but it was plain to see anytime you watched DJ. Had some buddies in my dorm that year (covid) that would hoop with him, said he was distracted and pretty depressed. We gotta get back to being Clemson man. We are missing our identity. But brighter days are ahead, we’ll climb the mountain again. No quit in us!
😤🫳🪨🐅
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I do give him some reprieve due to the times...
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Nov 16, 2025, 12:16 AM
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And when coaching change really was the biggest catalyst for Clemson Football. He suffered, but mostly lack of leadership. He did fine covering for TL16 during COVID.
In all honesty, he was in the middle of so much more, and horrible timing. I think he was for sure over rated, but he had little help. The WRs room really changed them too.
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Athletic Dir [1123]
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Re: I do give him some reprieve due to the times...
Nov 16, 2025, 2:21 AM
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Yeah I agree
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Completely agree
Nov 16, 2025, 1:07 AM
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DJU was a deer in the headlights. Dabo’s loyalty to him was an issue.
Do you believe CK is that much better? I would say CK is better but he’s not elite. I don’t see him being drafted.
As far as recruiting goes, it’s like we’re recruiting boys and the contenders are recruiting men. There’s no one on our team I would consider a “hammer” or a “dude”. You can see it when they warm up & even running down the hill. It’s like the desire to win isn’t there.
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Re: DJU. I blame DJU
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Nov 16, 2025, 6:35 AM
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Blaiming DJU for the downfall of Clemson football is crazy in my opinion. Granted his play declined from his freshman year but so did the performance of just about everyone on the team. It was the coaching staff that kept him in the starting lineup. Was he supposed to say "no thanks coach, play the other guy"? The decline in the program rests primarily on the shoulders of one person - the head coach.
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Re: What has happened at Clemson since
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Nov 16, 2025, 12:14 AM
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Look at recruiting classes. Almost all our big recruits are busts, it's actually pretty alarming how many 5 star busts we've had
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Re: What has happened at Clemson since
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Nov 16, 2025, 4:05 AM
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They were not "busts". They were not developed due to F&F lame coaching staff.
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Re: What has happened at Clemson since
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Nov 16, 2025, 5:49 AM
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He's a Coot. Ignore.
Or insult....which is much more fun and fulfilling.
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Re: What has happened at Clemson since
Nov 16, 2025, 5:06 AM
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Coaching, player development, roster management, lack of innovation, portal, culture for the times, money…
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Re: What has happened at Clemson since
Nov 16, 2025, 5:17 AM
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Indiana is just having 1 year, so I would exclude them. Ole Miss, Texas tech, and A &M have good coaching and pay their players more.
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Game Changer [2063]
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Re: What has happened at Clemson since
Nov 16, 2025, 5:58 AM
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Conference expansion is another issue. You have almost all the big name teams in two conferences now. Combine that with the money, and going to almost any team in the SEC or Big 10 is a lot more attractive now than going to any of the other conferences.
I know you might want to make the argument that somebody like Texas Tech or Georgia Tech is able to get some good players and have a good year, but they're not going to do that consistently. Most teams outside the SEC and Big Ten are going to be like yo-yos where you might have a good year or two and then drop off and have a couple of mediocre years.
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The Scotts left***
Nov 16, 2025, 8:16 AM
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Ive wondered why Jeff Scott
Nov 16, 2025, 10:09 AM
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is not on the staff in some capacity now. I’ve heard the WCCP crew talk about Jeff’s RE/construction company and how “you” can have the same team building your house that the Clemson coaches use. Building houses for the coaching staff must be pretty lucrative. Plus you don’t have to put up with the sh!t show the program has become.
I would have no problem with Jeff Scott rejoining the coaching staff. When he left, WRU went with him.
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Orange Blooded [2102]
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Its quite simple. Before he fired Austin and Goodwin
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Nov 16, 2025, 9:18 AM
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We had I think 6 or 7 coaches on staff with a combined 1 year of college coaching (and that was Ga.State) and it all happened within about 12 months after being on the most successful 5 year run in our history. Conn, Spiller, Goodwin, Richardson, Austin, Hall and Grisham all hire to full time role in a quick period of time. When Scott and Elliot came on the staff as young and college inexperienced there were many on the staff and in the office with 20-30 years of coaching and they mentored them. These 7 didn’t really have that. It’s crazy Goodwin was given the keys after never having coached on the field in college, but the biggest issues was they were all pretty new at nearly the same time. The second reason was from about 2019 or 2020 until last year the friends and family fallback scholarship offers increased to the point there were 4-8 a year, you do the math over t4 years and what that does to your roster. (There are more still now) Combine that with the portal taking off and may teams got older more experienced players while we stayed younger less exp with less talent overall. We also used (By Dabo’s own words) NIL to retain and not add, that put us to a major disadvantage where we lost a bunch of first choice recruits to a handful of schools including SC but a lot more to UGA, Bama, Fla and Ohio State and our fallbacks were lower level 3 and even 2 stars with connections to Dabo, Bama or Clemson past because we didn’t have back up plans and because we only offered a select few
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Orange Phenom [14286]
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Re: What has happened at Clemson since
Nov 16, 2025, 10:18 AM
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The reasons are well documented in terms of why it’s easier to climb to the top than stay on top.
Entitlement
Bloat
Bad hires
Poor decisions
Prioritize comfort over progress
Failure to adapt to a changing landscape
Dabo’s situation is not unique as it happens to every great coach not named Saban.
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Re: What has happened at Clemson since
Nov 16, 2025, 10:22 AM
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It’s mostly money. Not just the amount that we dish out but the effect it has on players to care.
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