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Hitler was not elected Chancellor. Or Fuhrer. FIFY.
Jul 1, 2024, 11:59 AM
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https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/thread/can-we-discuss-the-defending-of-democracy-2360241?tstart=0
Hitler of course in the early '20s became the face of NSDAP (the Nazi party).
He and his crew tried to overthrow the failing Weimar Republic in '23 (Beerhall Putsch). It failed. He got a few years for treason and served about a year. This is when he wrote Mein Kampf, which of course formed the basis of all of his messaging, his persona. It organized his thoughts, and laid them out for all to see.
When he got out of the clink in late '24, he was the face of NSDAP. It's alter-ego. And though he was famously shiftless and lazy (read Hanfstaengl's "Hitler"), he wasn't a moron. He knew he couldn't steal power.(Read Speer's "Inside the Third Reich.")
He set out to gain it constitutionally. Which he did by slowly coalescing a crap ton of political power on the planks of a sort of quasi-populist nationalist/prosperity political gospel -- the "Ein Volk. Ein Reich. Ein Fuhrer." message.
And it worked.
By the early 30s, the Nazis were a legit power and, together with a coalition of other, conservative parties, pressured tired old President Hindenburg (who famously called Hilter "that Bohemian corporal") to name Hitler Chancellor...and that's exactly what he did.
He was not elected. He was appointed.
Then someone set fire to the Capitol building (the Reichstag). Most historians think the Nazis torched it. But it doesn't matter. In that moment, Hitler seized the opportunity to go from Chancellor to Fuhrer, famously saying that anyone who stood in the Nazis way would be "cut down."
A little while later, they passed a law allowing Hitler (who by now thought of himself as the spiritual embodiment of the will of the people, their father, their fuhrer) to do anything he (and the Nazis) and wanted.
And just like that, a dictatorship was born ... entirely through democratic means.
So for those who think Jan. 06 was Trump's attempt to overthrow the government, think again. That was a clumsy populist demonstration, not a failed coup d'etat.
HOWEVER, TRUMP has assumed to himself the spirit of that very poignant moment. He now embodies it. He's been convicted of a felony. He's in many ways the face of what tens of millions of Americans feel is wrong with America. And in many ways, he's their revenge.
What he does with it that power -- and how Project 2025 manifests it -- is what a lot of folks are closely watching. Including myself.
I am not a historian, so forgive any errors here.
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Re: Hitler was not elected Chancellor. Or Fuhrer. FIFY.
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Jul 1, 2024, 12:20 PM
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Not disagreeing with your post but the greater threat to our country is the party that has had a Manchurian candidate fronting the government while who knows who has anonymously run things from the shadows the last four years. The same people who would deny this were also telling you Biden wasn't senile prior to the debate when it's been obvious for a long time. Trump has his issues for sure but at least he isn't a puppet for a shadow regime that uses him as cover to do whatever they wish with zero accountability.
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Re: Hitler was not elected Chancellor. Or Fuhrer. FIFY.
Jul 1, 2024, 12:31 PM
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Who is the shadow regime? Names please.
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It seems naive to think Biden has been in *sole* command of the Executive branch
Jul 1, 2024, 1:27 PM
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these past 3.5 years, when he clearly hasn't been in command of his own tongue, or feet, for that matter. That he is experiencing normal, age-related neurological deterioration/atrophy since taking office is evident.
It seems equally apparent that the administrative state (some call it Deep State or Shadow State) runs the country -- the enormous, non-elected federal bureaucracy that tends to quietly rule by fiat.
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Re: It seems naive to think Biden has been in command of the Executive branch
Jul 1, 2024, 1:30 PM
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Names please.
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Re: It seems naive to think Biden has been in command of the Executive branch
Jul 2, 2024, 1:38 PM
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I'll edit that to say "sole" command.
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You'll never get them to admit it....
Jul 1, 2024, 2:52 PM
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They actively want to end our Democracy. Most of them don't even think we are a Democracy.
It's a disgusting fascist movement within our country that has grown beyond anyone's wildest nightmares.
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Re: You'll never get them to admit it....
Jul 1, 2024, 3:00 PM
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And their justification is that we are currently being run by a "shadow regime". Notice how they can't give any names to these "boogeymen". LOL
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W T F are you talking about?***
Jul 1, 2024, 3:25 PM
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Something about Trump has made it very important to figure out if Hitler was
Jul 1, 2024, 3:28 PM
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elected or not...
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Wouldn't characterize it as that.
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Jul 2, 2024, 1:46 PM
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Instead, it seems a good time to understand how a country experiencing quite a bit of social and economic upheaval combined with a creeping sense of distrust in the electoral process can, in about a decade, go from a constitutional republic to a dictatorship.
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