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While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
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I have to admit, the guy says all the right things and makes you want to run through a brick wall. His chemistry with Dabo also seems to be huge. That does at least give me a bit of optimism.
One thing I am concerned about though is hearing that Allen won't be out recruiting and Garrett likely won't be anymore either. Dabo also mentioned that the coordinators will become more NFL like with running their side of the ball and it sounds like Boulware and Boyd will be LB and QB coach respectively. This is risky.
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I dont know that either are ready yet.
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Jan 15, 2025, 2:26 PM
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Especially Ben. I’d like to see him develop a few more seasons before taking over LB’s, personally. He’s the best field general I can recall, but it’s also one of the most complicated roles on the defense.
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Boulware becoming LB coach and out recruiting
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Could be one of those deals where it's a complete homerun or a complete failure. Similar to the Wes promotion.
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Re: Boulware becoming LB coach and out recruiting
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Jan 15, 2025, 3:39 PM
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I don't remember Wes having a year as DC where his team was top 5 in red zone. Its not the same definite improvement. Its only one year with such dominant figures, but then again it was his most recent year
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Re: I dont know that either are ready yet.
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Jan 15, 2025, 2:41 PM
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Yep. It will be a full time commitment, especially going on the road, and he’s got a young family and runs a business in different areas. And no coaching experience. And no, coaching up and encouraging housewives doing cardio and weightlifting doesn’t count.
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Dabo didn't say that either Boyd or Ben would be given
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full responsibility over either room, just that they know would be on the road recruiting in place of the coordinators. He clearly said Allen would begin his work positionally with LB's. Planning from that standpoint, but that this type move would free him up to work closer with all rooms. Boyd has worked closely with Garrett for 2 years now. He may get the title QB coach. Ben may get the title LB coach. But neither will be doing anything that either Garrett or Allen says to do, and both will be hands on at those positions. We're not switching Cade complely away from Garret in his senior year.
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Re: Dabo didn't say that either Boyd or Ben would be given
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If I remember his exact words paraphrasing it was that they were working on the details of Ben and Thomas to be elevated at LB.
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Ring of Honor [21680]
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They will certainly be working with them, but
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senior Tom will be directly involved in that room in a hands on way. Same as Riley would if Boyd is given a title with QB's. This is primarily about recruiting right now, and staff development
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Im more interested in hiring staff that is already developed.
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Jan 15, 2025, 9:00 PM
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Rather than developing them in our dime and our time.
But hey, at least Dabo is no longer doing it with the coordinator positions.
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Re: Im more interested in hiring staff that is already developed.
Jan 16, 2025, 10:25 AM
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Makes you wonder if Dabo has really learned anything. Crazy…
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Re: I dont know that either are ready yet.
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Out of curiosity, would you feel the same if it was Brent enables coming back and doing the same thing so he could be home with his wife more? Meaning if venables was watching over boulwares coaching. It’s the same here. It’s not as if you don’t have a person on staff that knows a thing or two about coaching LB backing him up.
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Re: I dont know that either are ready yet.
Jan 14, 2023, 2:12 PM
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"He’s the best field general I can recall" - From my seat, I'd rank Skalski over Boulware in that regard. Just a difference of opinion.
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As far as practicing goes, I don't see this as much of a change.
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I went to several practices and scrimmages over the past few years and Boyd was always throwing passes to the wrs.
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Re: While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
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Jan 15, 2025, 2:33 PM
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I'm more optimistic about the coordinator/assistant role adjustment.
To me it gives the coordinators more room to act as managers and help everywhere as needed versus spending a majority of their time developing one position.
Boulware and Boyd may not quite be ready to lead those positions, but with a coordinator not coaching a specific position, I think it gives them a better chance to mentor the position coaches all around.
Time will tell. Could be wrong and it's a big bust.
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Re: While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
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Jan 15, 2025, 3:40 PM
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You could say that about any DC, theoretically, (except maybe BV)
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Dynasty Maker [3495]
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Allen has an extensive resume and 3 solid years as a DC.
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While your opinion is noted, albeit a bit baseless, I trust the hiring process just fine. All things considered it’s a great hire.
Don’t try so hard to find negatives.
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Ring of Honor [22318]
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He has had one good year as a DC.
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Jan 15, 2025, 2:49 PM
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And that was 2024.
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Re: He has had one good year as a DC.
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Jan 15, 2025, 3:04 PM
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As Dabo mentioned...he's coached where he really didn't have the "weapons" he had in 2024 and will in 2025.
Seems he made the most of the opportunity when given it.
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Ring of Honor [22318]
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Yet Bryant Haines
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seems to have no problem whatsoever with that same exact group
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Valley Legend [12645]
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He wasn't the DC last year at IU he was the HC
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Jan 15, 2025, 4:41 PM
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Also IU played one ranked team this year and brought in 11 defensive transfers; so, apples and oranges.
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Re: He wasn't the DC last year at IU he was the HC
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Those transfers were mainly from jmu
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Valley Legend [12645]
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So?
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Jan 15, 2025, 8:52 PM
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Cignetti took the best players from a top 20 scoring defense and added them to what IU had. The point is it wasn't the same team or schedule Alen had every year being in 0310 state, UM, and PSU's division.
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Re: He has had one good year as a DC.
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I believe you could also include when he became the DC at Indiana as a good year.
Notably, Indiana was the 120th ranked defense in terms of total yards per game giving up near 500 yards per game in the 2015-16 season. When he became the Indiana DC in 2016-17, they became the 39th ranked defense in the same statistic giving up 380 yards per game. That’s a pretty substantial improvement.
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Dynasty Maker [3495]
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The guy has done zero research into Allens career.
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Jan 15, 2025, 4:52 PM
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Either that he’s ignoring it. Either way, he’s off base with his opinion. He’s trying too hard. He likes the negative role apparently.
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Re: The guy has done zero research into Allens career.
Jan 15, 2025, 6:24 PM
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You’re insane if you think I’ve done no research into his career 🤣
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Dynasty Maker [3495]
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Yeah, you posted defensive rankings from when he wasnt coaching defense.
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Great research!
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Re: Yeah, you posted defensive rankings from when he wasnt coaching defense.
Jan 15, 2025, 7:33 PM
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He was coaching defense. He said so himself today!!
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Here is what he said in the press conference
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Jan 16, 2025, 10:49 AM
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“I became a head coach and I tried to call the defense for a few years, and that was good, but it just was too much after a while…” -Tom Allen at the introductory press conference.
Was there another time he mentioned coaching defense? Maybe there was, and I missed it.
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Ring of Honor [22318]
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Nope that was it
Jan 16, 2025, 10:53 AM
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Why do so many ignore those defenses from his HC years when he was calling it?
I'm not saying the guy is going to fail but let's not act like he has a great track record of defensive units. It's really only 2024.
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No it was correct. He said so.***
Jan 16, 2025, 11:04 AM
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Hmm
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Jan 16, 2025, 11:20 AM
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I just reread the quote, and he said he tried calling it a few years, your statement did not make that distinction, and implied he was “running the defense” his entire stint at Indiana.
Do you not agree with this?
You also indicated he had 10 years of crap defenses, and it appears he was not calling the defense during at least a portion of the time you referenced.
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/already-36271428
Would you agree he was not calling the defense during part of the 10 year period you referenced?
Message was edited by: Francis Marion®
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Game Changer [1607]
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He has shown progression his entire career. He knows defense
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and his players play hard for him.
I’m sorry, but you’re just trying too hard.
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Re: He has had one good year as a DC.
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That’s inaccurate. His first year as Indiana DC he had one of the biggest defensive turnarounds statistically in history. I’ve already posted the stats in one of your previous whining threads.
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Re: He has had one good year as a DC.
Jan 15, 2025, 8:04 PM
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I saw. And I also asked you to discuss the rest of those years but you ignored.
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Re: He has had one good year as a DC.
Jan 16, 2025, 11:31 AM
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The rest of his years at Indiana? He was the head coach the rest of those years. In his presser he said he tried doing both head coach and defensive coordinator but became too much so he just stuck to head coaching. When he was strictly defensive coordinator they did well. His first year as head coach I believe they had the 27th ranked defense. Compared to like 120 2 years early. Thats amazing.
Not sure when he handed off the defensive reigns to someone else. The defense certainly fell off after that year.
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Re: He has had one good year as a DC.
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The rest of his years at Indiana? He was the head coach the rest of those years. In his presser he said he tried doing both head coach and defensive coordinator but became too much so he just stuck to head coaching. When he was strictly defensive coordinator they did well. His first year as head coach I believe they had the 27th ranked defense. Compared to like 120 2 years early. Thats amazing.
Not sure when he handed off the defensive reigns to someone else. The defense certainly fell off after that year.
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Re: He has had one good year as a DC.
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lol tell me you haven’t done your research without telling me you didn’t do your research.
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Re: While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
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You are not a fan if you either watched the announcement live or recorded and do not think Coach Allen is the right guy. As far as Tahj Boyd, he is already on staff but not an assistant coach so nothing new there. I don't get the Boulware deal because he is not listed on the staff.
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Re: While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
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Take your fan gatekeeping elsewhere valley coot
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Re: While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
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Dabo didn’t say Boulware was the linebacker coach. Part of the reason Allen was hired is because he is also a linebacker coach. Boulware’s role is to motivate them to hit and tackle hard and to sell Clemson and that attitude to recruits
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People who know football have called it a homerun hire
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You're entitled to your opinion, but as far as I know you're not any kind of expert. Did you expect him to have top 10 defenses at USF and IU with bottom half talent?
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Re: People who know football have called it a homerun hire
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Bryant Haines has 🤷🏻♂️
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Re: People who know football have called it a homerun hire
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I personally thought Allen did a good job at Indiana and also helped to improve the level of talent on that team. He also helped show YOU CAN win at Indiana. I recall a few years ago they gave the Vols all they wanted in a Bowl game.
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Re: People who know football have called it a homerun hire
Jan 15, 2025, 7:35 PM
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He had 2 winning seasons out of 7 at Indiana and his win % was LOWER than their historical average. So not sure what on earth your basing that opinion on.
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Re: ?? He has a great track record! Please become a little more knowledgeable before
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Never having a top 20 defense until 2024 is not a great track record. I’m not the one uneducated on the matter.
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Re: ?? He has a great track record! Please become a little more knowledgeable before
Jan 15, 2025, 5:22 PM
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You’d prefer Wes?
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Re: ?? He has a great track record! Please become a little more knowledgeable before
Jan 15, 2025, 6:24 PM
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No. This has nothing to do with Wes.
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Re: While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
Jan 15, 2025, 5:51 PM
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I believe in due time that you will be thrilled by
coming to the conclusion whether you are thrilled or not,
doesn't matter.Kinda like the price of an egg in china.
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Re: While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
Jan 15, 2025, 6:25 PM
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Maybe so. We will see
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Re: While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
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Not impressed with the hire but will hold further judgement until Aug 30th 2025
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Re: While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
Jan 15, 2025, 7:58 PM
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He wasn’t on the road while being at Penn St. Teams are all going to something similar. I don’t think it’s a big deal. You have to get the recruits on campus for their official visit anyway. Believe the coordinators will be plenty involved in their recruiting while on campus. They also can stay in touch through phone calls & social media with any recruits. So not a big deal.
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Can you just start keeping a journal of your football concerns?
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If you agree to do that, I promise none of us will try to read it.
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Sure
Jan 16, 2025, 8:49 AM
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It would be about as helpful as what you contribute to this site with your trolling.
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Dynasty Maker [3495]
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FM adds a ton of (especially) humor to the site.
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You add not much more than over-repeated, subjective gripes and moans based in feelings.
You don’t seem like a bad dude - but you sure do like to b!tch a lot. Kind of unbecoming for a Clemson man.
Just sayin. Go Tigers!
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It's called being objective***
Jan 16, 2025, 9:23 AM
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Then objectively speaking, I think FM is right.
Jan 16, 2025, 11:25 AM
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You should start journaling. It's very cathartic.
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Re: While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
Jan 15, 2025, 8:56 PM
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I like the Allen hire. I question the decision to not use coordinators for recruiting.
Ben Boulware going on the road solo to recruit, I have reservations about. I definitely see Boulware connecting with the players and most fathers but I'm wondering how the junkyard dog will do in front of mama. I don't doubt for a second Boulware will be an intense teacher of the game actually not worried about him developing as a coach, recruiting is my concern.
I'm the opposite with Tajh. I can see him having a charming charisma to recruits and their families. Wonder if he's the guy to coach QBs, he wasn't exactly known for his mechanics or footwork. Might be a better coordinator down the road bc he gets the game and had a feel for when to take his shots but it's the small intricate details about qb play I'm curious about.
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Re: While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
Jan 16, 2025, 4:21 AM
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When I hear every team is doing this I’m totally ok with this. Also our biggest strength in recruiting is on campus visits. Dabo also never said he wouldn’t go on the road. When it comes to big name recruits I bet he’ll be paying them a visit.
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Re: While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
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Don't care what you're "not thrilled" about 👍
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Re: While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
Jan 16, 2025, 8:56 AM
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I just don't know who we realistically could've gotten that's remarkably better. We needed someone with experience and we got that. It's a homerun hire as far as I'm concerned.
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I'm certainly more optimistic about it than I was a few days ago.
Jan 16, 2025, 9:24 AM
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He certainly has a ton of experience but there were other's that have fielded top 10 defenses multiple years and that's something he doesn't have on his resume. My only concern. It may certainly work out and I hope it does.
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Re: While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
Jan 16, 2025, 9:10 AM
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Oh boy……one step forward, 2 steps back.
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Paw Master [16122]
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Honestly, I don't know who everyone thinks we were going to get.
Jan 16, 2025, 9:26 AM
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BV isn't coming back (unless he gets canned at Oklahoma and doesn't want to be a head coach anymore...in which case, come on down!). We got a high-energy, culture-fitting defensive coordinator who just left a Big Ten, top 10 defense that made it to the semifinals in the playoffs. That's a get. We'll see if it works out.
I can't speak for recruiting...but that's not really a DC hire issue...I don't know if Dabo is right that this is the way its trending for college football but again...we'll see how it goes. These recruiting visits are more like business transactions these days anyway.
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Valley Legend [12829]
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Re: While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
Jan 16, 2025, 10:31 AM
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This is the new model teams have been using for about four years now. It gives the coordinators more time to focus on install and coaching. One more instance where we had fallen behind. This is an overdue change and we should see dividends immediately.
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Dynasty Maker [3378]
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Re: While I'm not thrilled about this hire and Allen's track record
Jan 17, 2025, 8:58 AM
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I'll bet you were thrilled with the Wes hire...glad you have nothing to do with the decisions.🤣
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Ring of Honor [22318]
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No. Wasn't at all.***
Jan 17, 2025, 9:02 AM
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