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TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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So its not an effort issue, its a coaching issue.
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Oct 23, 2023, 4:22 PM
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Just as we knew.
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Re: So its not an effort issue, its a coaching issue.
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Oct 23, 2023, 4:31 PM
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We don't have to work harder. We just need to hang on to the dang football.
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Re: So its not an effort issue, its a coaching issue.
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Oct 23, 2023, 5:20 PM
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it is an issue everywhere you look, but this offense needs one years worth of reps...and a few more playmakers...
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Re: So its not an effort issue, its a coaching issue.
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Oct 23, 2023, 5:52 PM
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Our program needs an experienced coaching staff. The problems that we are seeing are the very same problem that we have seen since the very first game of the season, and our staff don't have a clue of how to fix it, if they did, it would have been fixed when we played game #2, and here it is going into game #8 and those same problem are causing us to lose games games.
During this time since Dabo has been our head coach, did you ever imagine our FB team getting beat down by Duke the way that they beat us, a 28-7 Duke win...
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Re: So its not an effort issue, its a coaching issue.
Oct 25, 2023, 1:24 AM
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That was the 7th game of the season and we started out making the very same mistakes. Ball security should be the #1 priority going forward. If we continue to turn the ball over we can forget about beating ND, UNC, NC State, and Usuc. We have to be able to run the ball and our OL has got to step up. Inside the Red Zone we are not very good and that relates to the OL.
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Re: So its not an effort issue, its a coaching issue.
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Oct 23, 2023, 5:41 PM
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Judge Keller that is what I've been really loud about for the past two seasons now, and just bc we were winning over lowly ACC FB teams, nobody wanted to hear about my opinion of Dabo's hand picked coaching staff from out the office building that had no real coaching experience, especially not enough experience to being coaching in a program like we have prided ourselves of having over the past 10 years, and those hires have crippled the talent that's with the FB program right now. If Dabo sticks with those coaches, we will lose most of that talent, and it will be hard to get that type of talent back once it's gone...
I truly hope that Dabo can find a way to swallow some of his pride and admit to himself that his plan to grow his coaching staff within just didn't work the way he wanted to, and he will do a serious coaching search and bring in a crew of top power 5 coaches that can and will coach up the talent that we have. If he does that, recruits will see that he will do what's necessary to make coaching changes that helps the program grow, and not bring it down....
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Re: So its not an effort issue, its a coaching issue.
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Oct 23, 2023, 9:08 PM
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And let’s all get on our knees and pray that none of our recruits read this poisonous diatribe!!!
Yep he’s not perfect… are you, I know I’m not…. Could we have better coaching at certain areas, Probably, but you can’t throw out the baby with the bath water. I’m not gonna say give him a chance , because you will say … he’s had 3 or 4 years to fix this… I guess you don’t count the Riley hire as going outside the building, after all his brother is a coach, so DABO screwed that one up 2. Man I dont know what kind of work you do, but you must be the undisputed ruler of your industry!!!!
Food for thought!!!!
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Re: So its not an effort issue, its a coaching issue.
Oct 23, 2023, 9:40 PM
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We just hired the supposed best offensive coordinator in the country. Coaches can't hang on to the ball for them! I'm not impressed with Riley's play calling in the red zone. Just saying!!
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Re: So its not an effort issue, its a coaching issue.
Oct 24, 2023, 10:37 AM
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Problem is he has not got the players TCU had either not even close, we really do not have any solid play makers that's consistent. Brown is the closest we have so far and he's inconsistent as well with muffed punts just saying.
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He doesnt have the assistant coaches TCU had.***
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Oct 24, 2023, 2:21 PM
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Re: So JK, what's your solution?
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Oct 24, 2023, 8:30 AM
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If the mailman drops your letters on curb rather than putting the in the mailbox do you not say something to him? Or do you tell yourself, "he's been a mailman for 20 years so he MUST know better than me."
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Hire the most qualified assistant coaches possible.
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Oct 24, 2023, 2:33 PM
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Identify talent early and make more offers, with the understanding that we aren’t waiting for you before moving on.
Continue to emphasize what makes Clemson special, including outstanding facilities, NFL placement, great fans, excellent education, pretty campus, etc.
Utilize the portal to address needs.
This isn’t rocket surgery.
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Re: So its not an effort issue, its a coaching issue.
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Oct 24, 2023, 8:31 AM
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Maybe. But he is only working this hard because HIS staff ain't getting the job done. One way or the other Dabo created the problem and he is getting paid handsomely to fix it.
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Re: So its not an effort issue, its a coaching issue.
Oct 25, 2023, 2:06 PM
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As you would argue for Brad, Judge Keller®, there is still the execution of the plays and we have lacked that. Players can be put in the right positions and know the plays, but doesn’t mean it will be successful. It is, as in basketball, a coaching problem and an execution of the plays called and ability to get it done
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 4:32 PM
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Work smarter then....
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 4:39 PM
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Crazy to think that turnovers have been our demise this season. Basically beat ourselves which stings even more. DW4 also had a ton of turnovers but it didn’t hurt because he was able to put up so many points. We have a major issue on offense and it starts with our offensive line and coaching. Very, very underwhelmed with Riley.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 5:57 PM
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Garrett had no choice with the choosing of the offensive position coaches. I wish that Dabo would have allowed him to hire the coaches that he wanted that has been in his system before day 1 when he came to Clemson!!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 4:41 PM
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Can't work any harder........Bahahahahahahahahah!!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 6:00 PM
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Have you ever worked your A$$ off with a group of people, and at the end of the day you see that nothing really got done. That is what is happening with Garrett Riley right now, but it's happening everyday...
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Im giving it all shes got, Captain
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Oct 23, 2023, 4:45 PM
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Any more and she’s gonna blow!
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 4:46 PM
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Well you might be working on the wrong things. I would sit CKand WS for a few series. And for sure Mafah needs to play more.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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i busted out laughing about halfway through reading this article, it's not even that what dabo said is bad, or much that i disagree with, i just wonder sometimes if he is aware how much he brings up the past.....when he started in on the "only 2 or 3 teams have done what we've done the last 7 years" i just never hear saban and other top coaches refer so much and so specifically to past accomplishments when he's in the midst of a dry run.
I feel like dabo hangs on to the past a little like a sensory toy or safety blanket.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 4:54 PM
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It is his safety blanket. He will continue to remind us all of his past successes, so as to not question his and this team’s present issues and struggles.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 6:04 PM
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It's never about what you did yesterday, it's about what can you do today, and seeing it any other way is a lost cause!!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 25, 2023, 1:41 AM
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Dabo used to say that past accomplishments are in the rear view mirror and that this team is a new team. In business and in sports you either produce or you're gone. That's just the way it is . I heard Saban on an interview and he said that CFB has changed and you can't grip about it you have to accept it and change with it. $$$$$ money has changed everything in college sports and you adapt or you lose.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 7:09 PM
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I think Arnold Palmer said his dad said you don’t need to worry about telling people about how good you are. If you are really good they’ll tell you. Dabo is shouting how good he and his program are. It’s sounding a little desperate.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 7:51 PM
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Yeah. 2018 is getting further and further in the rear view mirror.
But I love Dabo’s spin…” we’re in the valley now, where the soil is fertile. The valley is where we grow…where God prepares us to climb to the mountain top.”
Can’t argue with that
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 4:53 PM
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Well it looks like coach you need to do a better job evaluating talent ?
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 4:55 PM
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What a meaningless word salad. I love Dabo but he's not living in reality.
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I havent heard 1 person say that lack of hard work was the problem.***
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 5:02 PM
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No half court 3 pointers for the win, we got dominated at the most critical times of the game period.
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If the ball comes loose a second later? Hold on to it all
Oct 23, 2023, 5:07 PM
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The way to the ground instead of we got a bad break because it came loose too soon
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Hard work done wrong is just hard work
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Oct 23, 2023, 5:07 PM
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'nuff said.
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Re: Hard work done wrong is just hard work
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Oct 23, 2023, 5:14 PM
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Good one.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 5:18 PM
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I’d like to be able to go to my boss when I’ve screwed up or otherwise underperformed and say “I can’t work any harder.” Maybe his point is to take up for the players and coaches knowing how hard they work. I DO believe they work extremely hard. I DO believe Dabo wants to win just as much as us fans do if not more. I also believe there’s an element of working smarter not harder that’s at the bottom of all this. It takes a lot of self-awareness (open mindedness) to accept that and to try things differently.
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Perhaps...just maybe...
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Oct 23, 2023, 5:18 PM
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it's time to start working smarter rather than harder.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
Oct 23, 2023, 5:19 PM
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So we're doomed and this is our best. This is our 100%.
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Think Bear Bryant would have given up in his down years and
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after several national championships? H*ll No & Finebaum would have said his “legacy was over” long before he rebuilt and did it again and again. Those who give up when times are tough are just foolish, weak & literally are like mindless children…just like Paul Finebaum!
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Re: Think Bear Bryant would have given up in his down years and
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Oct 23, 2023, 6:14 PM
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Hey bud, I never once said that Dabo was finished. I believe that Dabo can do the very same things as he has done at Clemson, but he will have to let go of the friendships that he is hiring for coaches. If he stays on the same path he's going down now, he will never be successful again, not at Clemson!!!
There isn't a coach on Sabna's staff that he wouldn't run off today if they had the same results that Dabo is getting from his staff starting 2 years ago!!!
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Re: Think Bear Bryant would have given up in his down years and
Oct 24, 2023, 11:29 AM
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Bear Bryant completely changed his offense which facilitated the amazing success during the latter stages of his career. Nick Saban did the same thing. Dabo refuses to change. Therein lies the rub!
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 5:35 PM
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Work harder during the game , not at practice
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
Oct 23, 2023, 5:45 PM
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I think the ‘21 team finished in top ten on defense…Thank You Coach V
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Is that the new 'The fun is in the winning'? Or the new BYOG?
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Well there you have it...It's in God's hands now...Players can't work any
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harder, coaches can't work any harder...It's up to the Lord to do his part now, apparently he's been goldbricking up til now
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Re: Well there you have it...It's in God's hands now...Players can't work any
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“ Probably not going to win it this year” .. win what? Heck, try to win a game or two. I understand now why we line up in the shotgun, even on 3rd and one on the opponents one. Our friggin’ Oline gets pushed back one to three yards on every play. If under center the QB would get pushed back on his but and our RB’s would have to fight the Dline for the handoffs. We’re soft and undisciplined, and it’s coaching, Coach.
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Re: Well there you have it...It's in God's hands now...Players can't work any
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Oct 23, 2023, 6:07 PM
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Lol re: win what? Playoffs? Playoffs?!?!
Good post too, just made me laugh. Go Tigers!
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How about working smarter?***
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Now that's just crazy talk***
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Re: How about working smarter?***
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Oct 23, 2023, 6:17 PM
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How about hire people that knows how to get the results that you must have. That would be the best place to start!!!
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"We can't work any harder" But maybe smarter?***
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
Oct 23, 2023, 6:27 PM
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Maybe the team should be smarter, for example work on stopping fumbles. Other football teams have had this issue and fixed it. Ask CJ Spiller, what did Pro NFL teams that he played on do to fix it.
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its clear his way isnt working these days
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the game evolves the best coaches are those who evolve as well
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
Oct 23, 2023, 7:03 PM
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gas meet light
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
Oct 23, 2023, 7:49 PM
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Maybe we need better hydration specialists.
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Love Swinney, but he lost me on
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This interview when he said we don't get breaks. You don't get breaks when you don't block. You don't get breaks when you give up 211 years rushing. One bas breaks can defeat you when you can't create separation.
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Re: Love Swinney, but he lost me on
Oct 23, 2023, 8:13 PM
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In the 90s I helped tear goal post down we went 3 n 8 to beat u suck ur Tiger or not
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: "We can't work any harder" < - please stop
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Oct 23, 2023, 8:11 PM
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Dabo’s knows good and well, this isn’t about working harder. The team lacks fundamentals. The coaches are focusing on the wrong things. The team can’t finish, they lack mental toughness. That doesn’t come from more and more hours doing the wrong things
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Re: : "We can't work any harder" < - please stop
Oct 24, 2023, 11:35 AM
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Cdixon11.....you nailed it! I haven't heard anyone else say it but you hit the nail on the head. Mental Toughness has left the building. Maybe next summer, send all the offensive linemen to Parris Island for boot camp. That oughta do it.
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work smarter, not harder***
Oct 23, 2023, 8:20 PM
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
Oct 23, 2023, 8:22 PM
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Well, I for one take great comfort that they practice so well. Maybe there are practice playoffs. I know the team cares more about winning than most fans but I can help it that I am losing a little enthusiasm for football this year. I am getting more yard work done so that’s a plus.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 10:40 PM
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Same ol Dabo. Talking about something that has nothing to do with what’s wrong.
All he does is deflect nowadays. Anytime he opens his mouth he’s deflecting and bringing up something from the past that we accomplished.
I’m so sick of hearing the whole “only a couple teams have had the success we have over the last X # of years”. Nobody cares what happened 5 years ago. In todays college football that’s ancient history.
Dabo is going to kill this program unless he does a complete 180 and starts recruiting coaching and developing the way it’s done today in 2023.
We live in a totally different world than we did in 2018. College football has completely changed and the way to win back in 2018 is worlds different than the way to win in 2023.
We are returning to the Bowden days where 7/8 wins is all we get and we’re getting there very quickly. This is a 6-6/7-5 team and next year will be the same and the year after and the year after that unless he starts using all the resources available to him to acquire talent and he needs to clean out the coaching staff.
Only 2 assistants… Reed and Eason should be retained. Everybody else should be gone. Hard to tell with Riley bc he’s not being allowed to call the plays or have the assistants he wants.
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National Champion [7411]
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 9:19 PM
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not sure if this is reaffirming or frightening
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 23, 2023, 10:28 PM
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So if we’re absolutely awful in the red zone and especially inside the 5 , why not at least try a Jumbo Package with Mapha as the runner and XT and Woods lead blocking . Gotta try something different cause the same old •••• ain’t working. That’s an example of smarter not harder!
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
Oct 24, 2023, 6:22 AM
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The basic problem is that no one believed Dabo in the past when he said it was hard to win. Clemson has caught a lot of breaks in the past and many of our wins came from those breaks. This team has seemed to be snake bit. Shipley has generally been sure handed, but he fumbled the ball, not Dabo. That 2 TD turn-around can kill a team, but Clemson hung on in a hostile environment. And Klubnik is not stupid. I do not know what he saw, but it looked to him as though Miami had blown up the play. There are many things this team will not do, but it is still a good team and the potential for being a great team next year is there. These next five games will test our character, and I believe the character of this team is good. Go Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 24, 2023, 9:45 AM
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Anytime something bad happens he brings up the past or says something like “this is probably the hardest working teams we’ve had since I’ve been here”. Then proceeds to say something about how we’ve won this and that and it hasn’t been done before. This team hasn’t won anything, 2019 wins don’t win this years games.
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How was Cade's hike?***
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Oct 24, 2023, 9:57 AM
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The amount of whinning in this room.
Oct 24, 2023, 1:11 PM
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Is both annoying, funny, and sad all at the same time. I hate reading the nonsense in the commments but it’s like a bad fart you have to smell. Are there things the coaching staff need to be accountable for, and things that could absolutely be doing better……yes! Are things as bad as all of you say? Resounding no! We have one bad year out of a decade and y’all lose your freaking minds! Again, there are some legitimate concerns…… but the way you guys whine about it is ridiculous. Sound like a bunch of spoiled rotten brats that didn’t get a pony for their 12th birthday. I don’t normally comment because I have more important, pressing things in my life than to speak on a subject I know nothing about to people that know less than I do. However, a lot of you need to take a good hard look in the mirror, and also get some hobbies. it’s honestly embarrassing that we have fans that are this entitled and or unappreciative. The proverbial what have you done for me lately crowd. Sit down shut up and To quote South Carolina fans….. There’s always next year!
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Re: The amount of whinning in this room.
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Oct 24, 2023, 1:21 PM
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I think what most people want is an honest discussion and ownership from the Head Coach. He refuses to have either. I think that leads to the "whining in the room" syndrome. Just my $0.02.
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Re: The amount of whinning in this room.
Oct 24, 2023, 3:24 PM
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Listen, I get it! The rah rah gets old when the results on the field are subpar. Having said that Dabo is who he is and has always been that way. He told us who he was many years ago. He can’t and won’t change, but it’s been a pretty good decade and a half for Clemson football. I think he’s earned a little more leeway than people want to give him right now. Frustrating as it is
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
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Oct 24, 2023, 1:30 PM
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I believe I remember an offensive coordinator saying last season, "DJ ran his @$$ off out there."
This is the same statement.
"We're working hard."
"We're doing our best."
"We're giving 110%."
So if the amount of effort is not the problem, we have to pin it on something else.
1. We're not fast enough.
2. We're not physically strong enough.
3. We're not mentally strong enough.
4. We're not smart enough to execute.
5. We're all working on our own individual game plans.
6. We're not getting direction in practice.
7. We're not getting coached in-game.
Pick a number, or a combo.
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
Oct 24, 2023, 2:23 PM
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Don't work harder, work smarter. There is a breaking point where working harder just makes the problem worse.
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Ring of Honor [23002]
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TL;DR
Oct 25, 2023, 6:25 AM
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ALL IN GO DABO - GO TIGERS***
Oct 25, 2023, 9:11 AM
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
Oct 25, 2023, 9:13 AM
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Best is doing your best, this is Dabos way of saying that’s what they’re doing 🤷♂️
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
Oct 25, 2023, 2:01 PM
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Dabo needs to Leave the coordinators alone, let them do their jobs and Scott has come home and said he would be happy to help in any way the AD ask of him basically, put him upstairs to have another set of eyes help Riley!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney on his Clemson team: "We can't work any harder"
Oct 28, 2023, 6:20 AM
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It's not how hard you work but what you learn from that hard work and right now we have not learned to hang on to a stinking pig skin!
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sounds like a classic management issue***
Oct 28, 2023, 7:03 AM
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