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Has SDS lost their mind or do they know something we don't..
Jul 8, 2013, 2:51 PM
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Saturday Down South saying Spurrier may well have his best team yet at SC and they are a "legitimate national championship contender".
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They didn't protect themselves. They done gone and
Jul 8, 2013, 3:00 PM
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caught the bird flu propagated by ES(EC)PN
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Well, if the first statement is true, then the 2nd may be
Jul 8, 2013, 3:27 PM
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An appropriate corollary. If they do indeed have Spurrier's best team, then it stands to reason they could have one or fewer losses going into the SEC championship game, in which case they would be a legitimate contender. The schedule isn't that difficult, with the game at Georgia being the toughest.
I think there is very little chance they would win an SEC championship game, but if they get there, they would probably be a "legitimate national championship contender," at least until the first quarter is over.
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What are your thoughts on the first part?
Jul 8, 2013, 4:49 PM
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Do you think this is Spurrier's best team? If so, why?
I don't agree or disagree. Aside from knowing that you probably have a first team All-American at DE, I don't know much about the Gamecocks.
I did just look at your schedule, and you're right. Weak.
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I have no idea. Never seen 'em play.***
Jul 8, 2013, 5:07 PM
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Legend [15749]
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What's your informed opinion? ******
Jul 8, 2013, 5:08 PM
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Don't have one. I'm not informed.
Jul 8, 2013, 5:11 PM
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I can name maybe 10 players they have coming back off the top of my head. I know they have two fairly good QBs and Clowney.
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Okay. I would think the lack of returning starters would
Jul 8, 2013, 5:36 PM
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give a fan some concerns, but the schedule is very favorable. Still, you've lost a lot of depth at RB, WR, LB and a star in the secondary.
The Georgia game will answer a lot of questions for you guys. You know...if there's anything left of them once our boys play them.
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Re: Okay. I would think the lack of returning starters would
Jul 8, 2013, 7:53 PM
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SC's defense will be slightly worse overall. their d-line will actually be more talented and better than last year despite losing Taylor and jerideau. Sutton who will take Taylor's spot actually had more sacks last year in a reserve role than taylor did starting. And jerideau was their "blue collar" guy on that line. Dixon or surrat will take that spot and they are both more talented. They both played a lot last year.
The linebackers should be a problem especially early in the year as they are totally inexperienced even if they are faster and more athletic. this position is a definite downgrade.
The starting corners both return and will be very very good. In fact Hampton will be one of the best in the SEC.
From a pure talent standpoint, their biggest downgrade will be the loss of Swearinger at safety. and this is the real reason imo the defense will be slightly worse. the other safety returns.
Overall they still will prolly be the best D the tigers face this year.
But the big change this year will be their offense. Finally, it will be very very good. In fact, it should be the best O the tigers face other than UGA.
They return 4 ol and that will finally be a strongpoint for them. They may have the best one-two punch in the nation at tight end. And that will help make up for a fairly inexperienced recieving corp.They do have Bruce Ellington returning and he is an excellent reciever. They have 2 very good backs, one of whom, Brandon wilds, already has 4 100 yard games to his credit. And they obviously have 2 qb's who have won under the bright lights, and one of whom, Shaw, may be the best scrambling running qb in the nation. And that dimension puts a ton of pressure on any defense.
National championship contender? Don't know about that. But this gamecock team will be extremely talented.
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Re: Okay. I would think the lack of returning starters would
Jul 8, 2013, 9:40 PM
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That is a fair analysis.
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i think you may be giving them a tad too much credit.
Jul 9, 2013, 3:12 AM
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losing taylor is huge. sutton may have had more sacks, but is not near the every down player that taylor was, and if "jerideau was their "blue collar" guy on that line. Dixon or surrat will take that spot and they are both more talented. They both played a lot last year." then why in the heck didn't they start? as far as the db's are concerned, swearinger was the only one that really caused dc's a headache.
your version seems a little to good, and mine may be a "very tiny,little,really, really small bit" too uncomplimentary. the truth is probably somewhere in the low-end of the middle range.
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Re: i think you may be giving them a tad too much credit.
Jul 9, 2013, 7:52 PM
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on Sutton, do you realize that the Clemson 247 site named him as one of the 4 best de's that the tigers will face this season.
And Surrat was basically a co-starter last year. he played a ton. Dixon also played a lot. These are not unproven newcomers. These guys are already proven within one of the best defenses in the country. If you are looking for a weakness, I don't think the d-line is where you are gonna find one.
Oh, and DC's will indeed have to worry about Hampton at corner. He is an all conference-all america type talent.
The dropoff at linebacker won't be great due to the simple fact that SC's lb's have been mediocre at best recently. There just isn't a great height for them to fall from.
As stated, I do agree about losing Swearinger. That is where a true dropoff will occur imo.
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Re: Okay. I would think the lack of returning starters would
Jul 9, 2013, 2:26 PM
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"Finally, it will be very very good"
This statement is just plain wrong. I love that you have so much faith, but your analysis lost all credibility with this statement.
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My point wasn't that they have few starters back.
Jul 8, 2013, 9:22 PM
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I don't really know...they could have just about all of them back. I don't think Ace Sanders is back. Or that safety that was pretty good. The rest, I don't remember. I'll know after the first game. I don't really pay attention much until they actually play games.
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Re: Well, if the first statement is true, then the 2nd may be
Jul 8, 2013, 7:12 PM
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definitely Spurriers best team, but National title aspirations depend more on how the other teams in the mighty SEC play.
One thing is for sure, we will have the dawgs softened up for them.
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Re: Well, if the first statement is true, then the 2nd may be
Jul 9, 2013, 12:37 PM
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> definitely Spurriers best team, but National title
> aspirations depend more on how the other teams in the
> mighty SEC play.
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I have read some articles that this is likely Spurrier's best team.....what am I missing here? I'm not seeing it, especially given the defensive losses, no big receiver threat and a 3* and a 2* qb.
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Re: Well, if the first statement is true, then the 2nd may be
Jul 9, 2013, 1:41 PM
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How many big plays did our LBs make last year? Zero, they were great leaders but we are definitely more athletic at LB now. The big loss will be Swearinger but our d-line is stacked. Ever heard of Bruce Ellington? He's no Calvin Johnson but he's definitely a big playmaker. Might want to re-evaluate your analysis of our QBs. That 3* QB is 17-3 with his 3 losses all being to Top 10 teams while Thompson won us 4 games last year....also they are both undefeated against Clemson and your 4* QB.
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Re: Well, if the first statement is true, then the 2nd may be
Jul 9, 2013, 2:13 PM
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Apparently the conversation isn't good enough on the shamecoots' sites. Your entire fan base should be embarrassed about all of you south carolina fans who have an account on TIGERnet. Ridiculous lol. It's ok, I understand...I'd want to rub shoulders with tigers too if my team's mascot were a chicken.
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IMO, things are shaping up nicely
Jul 8, 2013, 3:38 PM
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for a classic SCAR year. Here's how it will go down:
Shaw starts at first-string, then after costly mistakes against Carolina (actual) and UGA, Shaw is benched for Dylan Thompson. You know---for motivation.
Following Thompson's mediocre win at Vandy the following week, controversy begins to brew during South Carolina's early season bye. Later, Thompson and Shaw do battle at UCF and Kentucky, with Shaw ultimately winning the starting job back and losing it again after revealing a "nagging injury" during the road loss at Arkansas.
Now 3-3 heading into Tennessee, Butch Jones makes his mark on the SEC with a pivotal win against South Carolina at home, while Spurrier is reminded of his proper place in the SEC East.
And finally, Saturday, November 30th proves that all is right with the universe once again.
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Re: IMO, things are shaping up nicely
Jul 8, 2013, 4:34 PM
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That would be wonderful.but with their schedule it is doubtful.If the coots are going to win the SEC ,this is the year. if they luck out and win the sec.we will never hear the end of it.Clowney is gone after this year and they have been recruiting at their usual level for the last couple of cycles. This year i think they will finish in the middle of the pack with their recruiting class and spurgod will be golfing full time starting next year(imo)
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Have faith. Remember, 2007 was not so long ago.
Jul 8, 2013, 4:43 PM
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Vandy kicked off their fall from grace that season, and can do it again with low expectations this year.
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Re: IMO, things are shaping up nicely
Jul 8, 2013, 5:00 PM
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I hope they win the SEC so our chicken kicking will be even greater. We can then claim we are the SEC champs!
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Re: Has SDS lost their mind or do they know something we don't..
Jul 8, 2013, 4:34 PM
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IMO, USuC will indeed have an extremely good team this season. Their D is going to be pretty darn good - maybe one of the best in the SEC (possibly the BEST). Their O will be fine too as their D will allow their O to be on the field a lot. For any of us who forgot last season's loss to them at home, our O wasn't on the field very much. Expect more of the same this year. If I were predicting our game with them this year, I would give us a 35-45% chance of winning. Even if they lose a couple of games, I won't go over 50% at their house. 5-in-a-row is not going to be fun to deal with. I hope I'm wrong, and many of you are right/.
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Re: Has SDS lost their mind or do they know something we don't..
Jul 8, 2013, 5:26 PM
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I actually disagree. I think their defense is going to struggle, at least in comparison to last year's team. I believe they lost seven defensive starters, and one man can't do it all. Any team that loses 64% of their defense is gonna have a tough time being the best defense in their conference, let alone division. Also, don't underestimate their ability to crumble under the pressure of it all. I can certainly see a loss at Tennessee (or Arkansas for that matter) in the picture, and if so, the wheels on the bus come off. That being said, I give our boys AT LEAST a 50% chance of beating the dirtbuzzards at their place.
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Regarding our 50% chance to win....?
Jul 8, 2013, 5:43 PM
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A 50% chance to beat the dirtpeckers? What? I agreed with most of what you said but that last part has me shaking my head. We're entering our third year with CM as OC and things are looking spectacular with Boyd coming back this season. I feel like theres several Tigers who don't get much attention(YET) and are about to break onto the scene. Have some faith bro. Latty is gone, Ace is gone, the D ain't the same, and who is gonna catch the ball? I like our odds at a bit higher than 50% but I'm hoping you were just being humble; like maybe your a glass is only half full kinda man.
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do all those homers swallow, too?
Jul 8, 2013, 6:32 PM
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the comments on that section were pathetic. so basically, if you aren't an sec d-line, no matter how good you are, you aren't elite.
my theory is that because you actually have to compete against some semblance of an offense, the #'s may not be as good as when you face the sec offenses!.
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Re: do all those homers swallow, too?
Jul 9, 2013, 7:33 AM
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Yeah? how'd that work out for ya last year?
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Re: Has SDS lost their mind or do they know something we don't..
Jul 8, 2013, 7:04 PM
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> IMO, USuC will indeed have an extremely good team
> this season. Their D is going to be pretty darn good
> - maybe one of the best in the SEC (possibly the
> BEST
Streaking you must not realize SCAR lost every 1st and 2nd string linebacker from last year. No way the defense can be predicted to be as good as last year and no way it would be predicted to be the best in the SEC.
And another thing, SCAR is very young. I think there is only 3-4 seniors on scholly. I don't know how all that youth and no linebackers would result in a championship run.
I will say this though - given the youth, if SCAR does have a great year then 2014 could be a repeat.
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Re: Has SDS lost their mind or do they know something we don't..
Jul 8, 2013, 11:05 PM
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The problem seems to be: they have lost some darn good players each year - but manage to field a pretty darn good D. Our O could not stay on the field last year. As good as we think we are, or say we are, we lost our biggest O producers from last year save Boyd. Sammy and the receiving corp had better step up BIG to fill that huge void. Boyd had better be sharp from the opening play, and stop waiting until we get 1-2 scores behind to save the day. That won't work all the time.
I really think sc will be much better than anyone here wants to believe. No offense intended, but they have now set a precedence of having solid teams every year. And in case everyone forgot, they beat us in our house last year WITHOUT their #1 RB and without their #1 QB. Sheesh. We need to get over ourselves.
Personally, I want Boyd and Sammy to just stop telling us how great we're going to be until we be USuC. THEN they can talk all they want to. Until then - it don't mean chit.
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Re: Has SDS lost their mind or do they know something we don't..
Jul 8, 2013, 11:06 PM
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*beat USuC 
I definitely don't want us to 'be' them. I almost threw up.
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Our O couldn't stay on the field due to our game plan
Jul 8, 2013, 11:15 PM
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We ran the ball effectively but for whatever reason Morris decided to get pass happy in the second half. The more inexplicable part is that he got pass happy without giving Brandon Thomas any help on Clowney. As good as Thomas has been he can't guard Clowney one on one if Tajh is going to do 5-7 step drop back passes. We needed a TE or at least RB help on that side and never did it. Also let's not forget that he didn't run ONE of our flanker screens/WR screens/RB screens or misdirections that had worked all year to releave pressure and give Tajh some time to breath.
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Re: Our O couldn't stay on the field due to our game plan
Jul 9, 2013, 12:01 AM
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During some of those games we looked outflanked. Gotta put a hat and a half on No7. Give his blocker some TE or chipping RB help, ya know. We're only at our best if we have time to allow our plays to develop. Of course a few more defensive turnovers wouldn't hurt our chances either. Our coaches are learning and growing by the year.
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Re: Our O couldn't stay on the field due to our game plan
Jul 9, 2013, 12:18 PM
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Maybe SC DC Ward had something to do with the offensive playcalling? It's hard to do WR screens when the DBs are playing press coverage. Don't know why Morris didn't at least chip Clowney but maybe he thought Thomas could hold off Clowney long enough for the play to develop? Maybe Morris did not feel like the o-line could hold off the SC d-line enough for a long misdirection play to develop? A lot of things go into a coaches decision on play-calling.I also saw that they did not do a lot of audibles during the SC game so either SC really disguised their defense well or Morris could not make pre-snap adjustments (or Tajh Boyd as well).
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Re: Our O couldn't stay on the field due to our game plan
Jul 9, 2013, 12:32 PM
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> Also let's not forget that he didn't
> run ONE of our flanker screens/WR screens/RB screens
> or misdirections that had worked all year to releave
> pressure and give Tajh some time to breath.
I don't think CM felt comfortable running misdirection or even screens considering SCAR's DE's. Clowney is 6-7 and runs faster than most rb's...spending too much time behind the line of scrimmage creating a play could be disastrous since Clowney can actually run down a rb from behind. The other DE is now in the NFL.
When we question why a coach didn't do something, especially one as highly paid as CM, they usually have a good reason.
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When a team returns all or most of it's players it's...
Jul 9, 2013, 7:10 AM
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it's pretty easy to predict generally how they will fare before a season starts. In the case of scar with such losses it's a little more difficult.
One thing to consider is where the class that replaces the losses ranked and who is developing them. I don't think the 'who is developing them,' is something for scar fans to fret about. Wondering who has left the program since that class was signed is another matter. Check the morning rollcall at Perry.
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