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Clemson Icon [24817]
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Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
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As I grow older, I realize that racial healing begins with one person at a time, changing their misconceptions and learned beliefs. We have a long way to go as a whole and may everyone have a great day
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
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Rival Killer [2636]
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Both white and black and all people
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need to stop the prejudice against each other on all sides.
God does not have favorites and neither should we.
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Clemson Icon [24817]
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Re: Both white and black and all people
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Jun 19, 2024, 10:24 AM
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I agree with you on that
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Hall of Famer [8260]
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Re: Both white and black and all people
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Maybe there is no god that is paying attention to us at all. Who knows? Even without God, you are 100% correct.
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Re: Both white and black and all people
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If there is a god, he slept through multiple instances of slavery and genocide.
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Re: Both white and black and all people
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Jun 19, 2024, 1:13 PM
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When you value life on Earth over eternal life, it's hard for someone to understand faith.
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Re: Both white and black and all people
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Jun 19, 2024, 5:10 PM
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You seem to be lacking in an understanding of free will and what that entails.
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Ultimate Tiger [38955]
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Orange Elite [5364]
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Re: Both white and black and all people
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If there is no God none of it matters anyway. There would be no objective standard for treatment of anyone.
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Ring of Honor [23705]
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"If there is no God...there would be no standard of treatment of anyone."
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Jun 19, 2024, 1:00 PM
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Why not?
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All-In [10857]
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Re: "If there is no God...there would be no standard of treatment of anyone."
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There is no moral compass. Nothing to say whether something is right or wrong.
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Rival Killer [2954]
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Re: "If there is no God...there would be no standard of treatment of anyone."
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So the Bible is the only reason you aren’t ###### and killing?
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Orange Elite [5341]
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Re: "If there is no God...there would be no standard of treatment of anyone."
Jun 20, 2024, 8:07 PM
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No, but we are all moral creatures because God has instilled that into us even if you aren’t a believer. Do you say a bear is immoral because it kills a deer or even another bear? Bears have no moral nature, but humans do. Why is that? Where did it come from?
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You must be white
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As a pastor of a multiethnic church for 20 years who focused on racial reconciliation in what ended up being a predominantly white congregation(probably 60%white) that statement was one that I heard all the time!!! It was the first step for my white brothers and sisters to not go first to “we are all racist” rhetoric. When they could get past not looking to show how the other side was guilty and not just look at theirs in the context of our country’s history, true healing and reconciliation could begin.
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Hall of Famer [8260]
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Re: You must be white
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Jun 19, 2024, 11:57 AM
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You are both accurate imho.
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Head Coach [976]
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Re: You must be white
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I wonder if you’ll ever realize the irony of your statement.
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Rival Killer [2954]
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Re: You must be white
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There are no sides. I’m not racist, I shouldn’t have to answer for someone else’s sins bc they look like me. How foolish.
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Jun 20, 2024, 8:43 PM
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Cannot agree with you more. I don’t want to repent for my forefather's sins, just want to inherit their wealth.
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Re: Both white and black and all people
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“For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth… It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger… As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.” - Romans 9:11-13
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Game Changer [1882]
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Re: Both white and black and all people
Jun 19, 2024, 9:39 PM
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If you study the Bible it is clear (at least to me) there was definitely a preexistence in a previous dimension/earth age preceding the free will dynamic and this age (age of the fig tree) in which we currently exist, at least for some. The Bible is quite clear there was a previous earth age and the next age or advent will be the millennial reign of Yeshua. “The earth is 6,000 years old” crowd is either very misled by false teachings or just have not studied the Bible in detail.
You are correct God could not have hated Esau unless He knew him well before his birth in this age, as the scripture is clear on. However, I do not believe the fact He hated Esau but loved Jacob means God hates all Russians (i.e. the house of Esau became Russia). Yeshua was God among us, or God in the flesh. He made it clear anyone from YHWH’s election could fail to pass through the narrow gates, and conversely anyone from the house of Esau or otherwise..Gentiles (any branch) could be grafted into the Vine (Yeshua). Yeshua marveled at the faith of a gentile as much as he was dismayed at the lack of faith of some of His own people.
The preexistence of Esau and Jacob does not mean we all preexisted with YHWH, and it also certainly does not mean YHWH predetermined all of our fates…in other words the scripture you cite does not preclude that we indeed have free will. The fact Esau and Jacob likely preexisted with God in a previous age/dimension does not mean we all did. We don’t know the answer to that.
I personally expect Esau was among or allied with the fallen ones for God to hate him before he existed in the flesh body? There’s ample evidence God knew at least some before He created “the foundations of the earth.” That is clearly stated. The Bible also tells us there will be many who cannot believe or accept the existence of God…the parable of the wheat and the tares and so on. That is exceedingly evident just from reading this message board. It is exceedingly tragic also.
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Re: Both white and black and all people
Jun 21, 2024, 7:16 AM
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Is that before or after they help destroy College football with pigskin welfare!
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
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But why in the hell do the banks have to close?
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Ring of Honor [21238]
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Do you ask this on July 4th too?***
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Paw Warrior [4716]
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Re: Do you ask this on July 4th too?***
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But July 4th is a holiday for all unlike Juneteenth.
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Re: Do you ask this on July 4th too?***
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To be fair, 7/4 didn’t give black people freedom. It’s ironic that the settlers came searching for freedom then ended owning slaves.
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Re: Do you ask this on July 4th too?***
Jun 19, 2024, 11:59 AM
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Which holiday is more fun though. I think that's what really counts. Although, from a dogs perspective they probably hate the 4th with all of fireworks. They probably prefer the scraps on Thanksgiving.
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Game Changer [1947]
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Ring of Honor [21238]
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Re: Do you ask this on July 4th too?***
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But July 4th is a holiday for all unlike Juneteenth.
Juneteenth IS for everybody. Just because you aren't black doesn't mean you can't have an appreciation and respect for black people actually being free. A lot of black people don't like Independence Day due to the fact they were not free during that time. So it can be argued that holiday is the one that's not for everyone.
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Re: Do you ask this on July 4th too?***
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True freedom is found in Jesus Christ. Many are slaves to sin, and yet consider themselves free.
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This is irrelevant and doesn't address blacks being slaves by law. This is the type of deflection that black people get tired of some whites doing at times. True red herring. A strawman even.
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Hall of Famer [8260]
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Re: Do you ask this on July 4th too?***
Jun 19, 2024, 11:23 AM
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Juneteenth is supposedly for all who want to celebrate. I am not sure what my favorite holidays are...probably Thanksgiving the most though.
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Game Day Hero [4107]
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Were all free Americans on July 4th, 1776?
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Jun 19, 2024, 11:32 AM
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It’s not quite a celebration of freedom for all Americans but many. It was freedom from English rule really- it did not make all of us a free people within what was a freed colony. Junteenth celebrates the freedom of the some that didn’t feel or know it when our country broke free from England
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Top TigerNet [32372]
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America did not exist on July 4th 1776.. so there were no Americans.
Jun 19, 2024, 2:44 PM
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were a bunch of rebels hoping to be Americans.
Junteenth celebrates the freedom of the some that didn’t feel or know it when our country broke free from England
I don't know if half of our current country knows who we broke from anymore.
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Re: Do you ask this on July 4th too?***
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I'm retired. Every day is a holiday to me. I celebrate Happy Retirement Day all year long...
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Re: Do you ask this on July 4th too?***
Jun 19, 2024, 11:29 AM
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There are about a hundred federal holidays and most businesses are open for most of them. Christmas, July 4th, Thanksgiving and NYD are universal, but most others are optional. Why would they close for a holiday no one knew about until ~5 years ago?
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Ring of Honor [21238]
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The same reason they should close for July 4th even if it had only been
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publicized starting 5 years ago. When it began being accepted mainstream is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the independence of one group of Americans is just as important as July 4th.
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Re: The same reason they should close for July 4th even if it had only been
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publicized starting 5 years ago. When it began being accepted mainstream is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the independence of one group of Americans is just as important as July 4th.
You think every group should have a separate holiday to celebrate some milestone in their history? I have no problem with the holiday itself but certain businesses close for this holiday but not for the other major holiday which appears to be more woke foolishness. Especially when very few actually spend the day reflecting or celebrating the significance.
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Ring of Honor [21238]
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They already do.
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Jun 19, 2024, 1:43 PM
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Nearly every group on earth has "milestone" holidays. And if they are American milestones and part of American History then yes absolutely they should be federal holidays. This isn't rocket science.
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
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So, on September 22, 1862 when President Lincoln made the emancipation proclamation in Pennsylvania freeing the slaves, it took until June 19th of the following year for the news to travel to Texas. I guess no internet or TV in 1862, who knew. I guess President Biden decided we needed to have a national holiday to celebrate how slow news traveled in 1862.
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Clemson Conqueror [11586]
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Who actually goes to banks anymore?
Jun 19, 2024, 10:10 PM
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Unless you run a business that deals in cash you rarely need to ever step foot in a branch these days
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Hall of Famer [8260]
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
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Appreciate it.
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Now that HBROWN has entered the discussion this post will get moved
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5,4,3,2,1- oppositional thought causes censorship or relegation to the “correct forum”
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Re: Now that HBROWN has entered the discussion this post will get moved
Jun 19, 2024, 1:45 PM
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People that refer to themselves in the third person is a potential sign of narcissism. HBROWN might want to get that looked at.
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Top TigerNet [28740]
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
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I personally do not believe there is a God but the belief in one does make many borderline people into good people, for that I am thankful.
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
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It's flipped. White people are the ones that are discriminated against now.
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Clemson Icon [27619]
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I thought today
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Was a national holiday because it’s my birthday!!!
Thanks for busting my bubble’!
Go Tigers.
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Dynasty Maker [3250]
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
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I’ve been a white woman for 60 years and I’ve never felt discriminated against. Do I think some white men feel entitled just because they are white men?? Yep sure do. I’d like to smack them all around. It’s pukey. I feel like I haven’t shown much discrimination against African-Americans in my 60 years. We all have our moments sometimes. But if I’m being honest and I am, I’ve had some not so nice thoughts at times regarding Hispanics and Asians who are here and not speaking English in public. I know it’s not nice and I try to do better.
As far as Juneteenth I have no issues with minorities and anyone else who wants to celebrate days that are important to them. It’s not hurting me. Same with celebrating Pride month in June.
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Totally agree. Look at the prison population which group is over represented? Or the sentencing difference between cocaine and crack. Absolutely, white people live in such terrible conditions it is miracle how many CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are white. It is an outrage, I say an absolute outrage!
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
Jun 19, 2024, 1:26 PM
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The only time there will be racial unity in this land is when all races, in an ultimate period of enlightenment, join together and overthrow the government.
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
Jun 19, 2024, 5:58 PM
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Bad plan. The overthrow of the gov is an awful idea.
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
Jun 19, 2024, 8:49 PM
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Bad plan. The overthrow of the gov is an awful idea.
I guess it's ok to celebrate Independence Day, even though that brings up issues from the past right? What a joke you are.
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
Jun 19, 2024, 9:54 PM
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Sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about. Please explain. I think you may confused. I support Juneteenth and Independence Day. What am I missing here?
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
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Stupid holiday. All it does is bring issues back up that already have been moved on from. This is the goal of the left.
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
Jun 19, 2024, 5:11 PM
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What? It seems like a positive holiday to me. It's as good as most of the other holidays, but probably even more important than most.
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
Jun 19, 2024, 5:57 PM
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We all bleed red ..
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
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As a kid, this was always one of my favorite holidays. We always got out of school, shot fireworks, cooked out etc. Probably my favorite holiday outside of Groundhog Day!
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Hall of Famer [8260]
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
Jun 19, 2024, 10:28 PM
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I gave you a TU for celebrating Groundhog Day. What are you really saying though?
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Re: Happy Juneteenth Day to everyone
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Another very unecessary federal holiday created by the liberals amongst us!
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