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Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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I'm going with Travis Etienne!
Guy was totally awesome! Who ya'll got??
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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DW4
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Woody Dantzler
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Hard to compare Woody with some of these others. It would have been fun to see Woody with some of the last ten year talent around him.
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Don’t forget Charlie Waters. QB and wide out.
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Absolutely correct.
Imagine if he had the same players around him as other qb’s.
Question: How do you stop Dantzler?
Answer: “12 players on defense and a crystal ball”
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DW4, and i dont think its close.***
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I think its very close
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Trevor was more consistent and made less mistakes. Watson generally came up big in the big games and the big moments, but some of his heroics were necessary due in large part to his own mistakes. He turned the ball over ALOT more than TL.
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No. DW was a more skilled QB than TL.***
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Re: DW4, and i dont think its close.***
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I’m not close? Tlaw was the number one pick in the draft, and won the national championship as a freshman. He’s definitely close to Deshaun Watson, if not better. They each played in two title games, and were each 1-1. Trevor Lawrence arguably had the better defense in 2018, but that defense in 2016 was pretty darn good too.
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Re: DW4, and i dont think its close.***
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Lawrence would have been the first pick no matter what. He had much better teams. It's not arguable. It's not a close call. Watson was better than Lawrence.
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Re: DW4, and i dont think its close.***
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It’s just my opinion. I think TL16 had a much better supporting cast than DW4 had and I think he should have beat LSU but didn’t get it done. I don’t care where people get drafted because it’s typically idiotic. Would anyone say trubinski is a better qb than Deshawn?
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TLaw won the Natty as a true freshman QB. Hard to argue against that one.***
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Re: TLaw won the Natty as a true freshman QB. Hard to argue against that one.***
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We had the best defense in the nation that year. Amazing feat by TL16 though.
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Re: TLaw won the Natty as a true freshman QB. Hard to argue against that one.***
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All 4 DL starters were first round draft picks--I think!
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Re: TLaw won the Natty as a true freshman QB. Hard to argue against that one.***
Dec 8, 2023, 10:55 PM
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Everyone expect from Austin Bryant were first round picks if I recall.
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Re: Trevor had 15 fewer interceptions than DW4.
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Deshaun had 1000 more passing yards in both seasons as a starter.
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Of course you have a vote.
Dec 9, 2023, 10:56 AM
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It’s nice to hear perspectives from other teams fans. You opinion is just as good as any other, you just happen to like one of our main rivals lol
I agree DW4. He had a competitive nature and drive that you don’t see often. Yes he was turnover prone but he also willed our Tigers to wins that do not happen without him
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Banks McFadden.
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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We graduated the same year. You are old.
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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DW4 no contest
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Terry Allen***
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Dec 8, 2023, 5:52 PM
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DW4 is hard to beat on this one.
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Dec 8, 2023, 6:02 PM
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I’m 53 and Watson is the player I had the most confidence no matter the situation.
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Terry Allen or ETN or DW.
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Flip a coin I guess. TL probably next.
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1. Trevor 2. DW4 3. Sammy 4. Etienne 5. C.J.***
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Re: 1. Trevor 2. DW4 3. Sammy 4. Etienne 5. C.J.***
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I would swap Sammy and Travis.
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Re: 1. Trevor 2. DW4 3. Sammy 4. Etienne 5. C.J.***
Dec 9, 2023, 12:14 PM
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I have similar but DW 1, Sammy 2, Trevor 3, Etienne 4, and Spiller 5
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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DW4 hands down
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Never ever felt like we were completely out of a game when he was QB and I remember the next level confidence I felt watching us while he was here
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CJ Spiller***
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Deshaun
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It really isn’t close either. Goes to show how many great players we have had.
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CJ Spiller
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There isn't a player more responsible for the rise of the Clemson program than CJ and...
Dude was freaken fun to watch. Everytime he touched the ball I was on the edge of me seat.
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Trevor Lawrence, the 6'6" phenom who won the Nattie as a frosh
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and is lighting up the NFL. Great player with uncanny maturity and outstanding character.
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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1. DW4
2. ETN (2-time ACC MVP)
3. TL16
4. CJ Spiller
5. Sammy Watkins
T6. Terry Allen
T6. Nuk Hopkins
Good debate. Lots of good answers. And even more quantities of talent on Defense.
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Where is Homer Jordan?
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Not in that list, that's where.
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CJ Spiller was faster and a TD threat on every play
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Travis was awesome, but CJ had more all-purpose yards in 3 less games. And CJ played when the offense was more conservative and he played on less talented teams than Travis. Would loved to have seen CJ play on the 2017 to 2020 teams Travis played on.
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The question was greatest offensive play right?
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Not best offensive player on the greatest team?
CJ SPILLER
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Slight nod to Lawrence over Watson
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I think Lawrence somehow gets underrated because of how good he was. It was almost robotic at times whereas with Watson you got the full emotional experience of the highs and the lows.
29 game win streak for Lawrence, better passing stats than Watson, far fewer turnovers, etc. Absolute peak Watson was probably better, but you definitely didn't get that all of the time.
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Re: Slight nod to Lawrence over Watson
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I’m going Terrance Roulhac, Donnell Woolford, Terry Allen, Raymond Priester, Kenny Flowers, Terrence Flagler… I can’t decide. I have a lot of favorites.
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Re: Slight nod to Lawrence over Watson
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I like your answers,everyone only seems to remember the more recent players
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Re: Slight nod to Lawrence over Watson
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Lawrence had a much better team. And he was worse in big games while Watson was at that peak in big games.
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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TL
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Don’t sleep on Homer Jordan QB for our first Nattyi
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#28
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CJ Spiller.
IDK how anyone comes up with a different answer.
Find another Clemson player highlight reel that competes with this all the way through....I'm going to save you some time - there ain't one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRs4DPfmf-M
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Re: This is just one game
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That game he had at NC State was off the chain good.
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Re: This is just one game
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I can give Woody his due -- he had some great moments and would definitely deserve to be in the conversation. And, FWIW, I'd honestly exclude QBs from this conversation on purpose - they honestly should be judged separately.
However, I still stand by my statement - CJ Spiller's highlight reel top to bottom can't be top. I'd even put it over Woody's - and I'm no stranger to Dantzler in Clemson lore.
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Re: This is just one game
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The Hail Dantzler is what i called it. Run one in with little time left. One of the best away games i had the opportunity to see live. Love me some woody 
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Watching those Spiller highlights makes you realize how slow Ship & Mafah are!
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And to see the separation CJ got when going out on a route...something we don't have now!
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Is it too early to say DJU? Nahhhh CJ Spiller was amazing in space, Sammy was a threat every time, but I would say DW4 and T Law are the standard.
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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CJ Spiller or DW4.
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1. Deshaun. 2. Trevor 3. Sammy 4. Spiller 5. Etienne
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First player in FBS history to hit the magical 4000/1000 in passing and rushing in a single season.
4,109 and 35 TDs passing
1,105 and 9 TDs rushing
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Re: DW4
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I believe Dantzler was the first 2500 1000 and in 11 games.
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No doubt, Jeb Flesch*****
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Rodney Williams was pretty offensive to me whenever he would jump up in the
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air to throw another interception.
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Watson, Watkins, Spiller, McFadden, Lawrence, Hopkins, Butler, Tuttle***
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Lol. One thing Tree was NOT was an offensive powerhouse. Butt, I will put his
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We had massive scores every week!
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Spiller
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All like forever team, even by the ESPN SEC tyrants.
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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In my time watching these are my top 3 per position:
Qb: Watson, Lawerence, Dantzler
Rb: Etienne, Spiller, Ellington
TE: Allen, Leggett, Allen(really not a spectacular player just top 3 at TE since I've been watching)
WR: Watkins, Tee, Williams
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Dwayne Allen, Jordan Legget, Davis Allen just to clarify
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Terry Jolly
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spiller, Lawrence, etienne, dw, Sammy , Allen
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Allen is the name many will have forgotten. He always ran hard and got the extra yard.
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Dec 8, 2023, 9:33 PM
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ETN
Watson
Trevor
Terry Allen
Nuk
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
Dec 8, 2023, 9:36 PM
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Much as I love Deshaun gotta go with Trevor. With him other teams lost before they stepped on the field.and the score just made it worse. I list count of the number of times I watched replays of those 2018 games
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TL16
Dec 8, 2023, 10:07 PM
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My jaw still drops when I see replays.
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Dec 8, 2023, 11:01 PM
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I think you have to go with Etienne.
How many records does he have? 4,952 yards rushing. 2nd closest is: 3,881. 408 points in his career; which surpassed a kicker(Catanzaro) for 1st place in Clemson history.
Period. Point. Blank.
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
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Dec 8, 2023, 11:38 PM
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T-Law, DW4, and ET are clear frontrunners
But I have never seen a Tiger that could put a team on his back and be amazing every week quite like Spiller in '09
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For pure playmaking ability, it's got to be CJ Spiller. And, let's not forget,
Dec 9, 2023, 10:29 AM
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for all the records that CJ Spiller set, he did the first part of it while on a time share with another pretty doggone GREAT back named James Davis. Many want to point to CJ as our first truly great recruit of the modern era, post Danny. But, I think that honor really rightfully belongs to James Davis.
Spiller, and to a slightly less extent, Travis Etienne, are our two best examples of a "Hold your breath" type breakaway threat each and every time that they got the smallest sliver of daylight. Both were great, but there is no doubt Travis played with MUCH more talent around him than CJ Spiller did.
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
Dec 9, 2023, 10:48 AM
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DW4 no question imo.
CJ Spiller
EtN
Sammy
TL
Woody
Tee
Those are close behind.
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CJ Spiller***
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Dec 9, 2023, 11:47 AM
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
Dec 9, 2023, 12:06 PM
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DW4
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My favorite will always be Ronald Williams***
Dec 9, 2023, 12:11 PM
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
Dec 9, 2023, 12:12 PM
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Deshaun, Sammy, Trevor, Etienne. In that order.
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
Dec 9, 2023, 12:13 PM
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I’ll add Spiller as well
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All these "TL won the natty as a freshman" posters......you ever think
Dec 9, 2023, 4:35 PM
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that DW would have had a tremendous shot at playing for the natty as a freshman as well in 2015 if Cole Stoudt hadn't squandered the FSU and UGA games away? DW starts those, we win FSU, have solid odds vs UGA, and voila, playoffs.
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Re: Greatest offensive player ever at clemson??
Dec 9, 2023, 4:35 PM
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Got to go with Sammy.
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