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New Story: Trip to Notre Dame shows the difference between Irish and Clemson
May 30, 2017, 8:23 AM
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Good stuff David, thanks and Go Tigers!!!
May 30, 2017, 8:37 AM
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There is indeed something in those hills!!!
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Re: Good stuff David, thanks and Go Tigers!!!
May 30, 2017, 9:28 AM
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I remember reading a Knute Rockne biography as a child and would love seeing the old historical collections at Notre Dame but I can promise you their are no Rockne biographies in today's elementary school libraries.
Pretty sure today's teens are more impressed with shiny new and digital!
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Re: Good stuff David, thanks and Go Tigers!!!
May 30, 2017, 9:29 AM
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There not their
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Re: Good stuff David, thanks and Go Tigers!!!
May 30, 2017, 12:36 PM
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On Tnet it can be either one .........or just compromise and use they're
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Re: Good stuff David, thanks and Go Tigers!!!
May 30, 2017, 10:36 AM
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Great article.
Anyone else read Tiger Rag and get chills?
God, make these months fly to football season ??
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Re: New Story: Trip to Notre Dame shows the difference between Irish and Clemson
May 30, 2017, 8:38 AM
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lewisville has nice facilities but much like cooterville they are located in or near an industrial park. 2 year ago we parked beside 2 18 wheel trailers right across from poppa johns. not to bad really. between the trailers formed a perfect rest room. lol
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The coolest thing about going to a game at Louisville...
May 30, 2017, 9:19 AM
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was the pregame tailgate at Churchill Downs.
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Re: New Story: Trip to Notre Dame shows the difference between Irish and Clemson
May 30, 2017, 8:51 AM
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Thank you David/Nikki. Comprehensive. I learned a lot.
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Great stuff David!***
May 30, 2017, 8:58 AM
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Re: New Story: Trip to Notre Dame shows the difference between Irish and Clemson
May 30, 2017, 9:02 AM
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Yep, you nailed it. Good article on several counts.
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Perfect! Excellent! Great article! Love it!***
May 30, 2017, 9:12 AM
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Hey...you could be The University of Second Choice...
May 30, 2017, 9:20 AM
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with no past or future.
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Great article! Go Tigers!!
May 30, 2017, 10:18 AM
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I can't wait to see what Swinney has in mind for upgrades to Death Valley!
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Re: New Story: Trip to Notre Dame shows the difference between Irish and Clemson
May 30, 2017, 10:33 AM
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Great article
Anyone else hear Tiger Rag and get chills?
God, football season come quickly! ??
Go Tigers!
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Re: New Story: Trip to Notre Dame shows the difference between Irish and Clemson
May 30, 2017, 10:35 AM
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Good story. Believe it or not, I can remember many of those Notre Dame names from the late 1920's onward. My Dad used to talk about Knute Rockne when I was a little boy. When the Tigers defeated the Irish a number of years ago in South Bend, that was a fun trip.
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Re: New Story: Trip to Notre Dame shows the difference between Irish and Clemson
May 30, 2017, 11:45 AM
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Tom's last name is spelled Winkopp.
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Re: New Story: Trip to Notre Dame shows the difference between Irish and Clemson
May 30, 2017, 11:47 AM
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Definitely a venue I'm hoping to see when we travel up there in 2020. I lived in Indiana for 8 months and never got the chance to go see South Bend, unfortunately.
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Re: New Story: Trip to Notre Dame shows the difference between Irish and Clemson
May 30, 2017, 12:15 PM
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Nice read, thanks David.
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Re: New Story: Trip to Notre Dame shows the difference between Irish and Clemson
May 30, 2017, 1:29 PM
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David, the new name for Comiskey is now Guaranteed Rate Park. Changed just a few months ago from Cellular Field. Not that I care about that park, just an FYI.
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*** Love it! ***
May 30, 2017, 1:41 PM
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Love it
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Here is what I like about Notre Dame
May 30, 2017, 2:46 PM
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Re: New Story: Trip to Notre Dame shows the difference between Irish and Clemson
May 30, 2017, 4:07 PM
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The smell of fresh honey suckle and the chance of rain line gave me chills.
Roll Tigers!
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I have to ask a question.
May 30, 2017, 5:07 PM
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Supposedly the reason Notre Dame won't join the ACC in football is the money they are getting from their deal with NBC. Why then are they not investing that money in new facilities and other enhancements that would keep them up to par with what's going on across the country with other schools? When it comes down to it, they are a private school but unlike other private schools, they have that NBC deal. I guess I'm just not getting why they aren't investing that money or even part of it in facilities that will keep their program relevant. They are not relevant right now. I agree with the article's assessment with Notre Dame seemingly content to live off their name and their past without regard to the future.
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Re: I have to ask a question.
May 30, 2017, 6:49 PM
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The main reason that Notre Dame won't fully join the ACC is that they have spent the last 120 years building an independent program, and despite the mediocrity on the field in the last 25 years, it's working very well as it is now. Joining the ACC would change it a great deal, in ways that are hard to predict.
The team has a number of traditional rivalries. They had to abandon some of these to commit to five ACC games. If they had to cut their non-conference games from seven to four (and maybe three), they would have to abandon most of them.
When they joined the ACC, they were playing Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue pretty much every year. They were also playing USC, Stanford and Navy every year. And, they regularly scheduled home-and-homes with top-tier teams like Ohio State, Texas and Oklahoma.
They had to drop the every-year games with the three Big 10 teams to fit the five ACC games into the schedule. What do they have left?
They couldn't drop Navy even if they wanted to. They consider that a debt of honor; if the Navy hadn't taken Notre Dame up on its offer to use the campus as a training facility during WWII, Notre Dame would no longer be here. When the then president asked the Secretary of the Navy how they could repay them, the Secretary asked them to play Navy every year. Navy will play Notre Dame every year as long as they want to.
With the exception of the war years in 1943-5, Notre Dame and USC have played every year since 1926. And the Stanford game has been played every year but two since 1988. ND-USC is one of the greatest rivalries in college football, and that's not going anywhere. The Stanford game could perhaps go away, but then they would only play on the west coast every other year, instead of every year. Those two games are important for their west coast recruiting.
So, if they joined the ACC as a full partner, their non-conference schedule would be USC, Stanford and Navy, plus one more (maybe). They have no trouble scheduling four other games every year, including games with top-tier teams like Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, Michigan and Ohio State. It doesn't make sense at present to give up all those games to play three or four more ACC teams every year.
An important reason that it doesn't make sense is control of their strength of schedule. If they wanted to schedule six of the top teams across the other conferences in a year, they could do that, especially since scheduling Notre Dame instead of Old Dominion will increase another team's playoff chances. If they played eight games in the ACC, they wouldn't be able to do that. Even if they did play FSU and Clemson every year, which they wouldn't. Nothing against the ACC, it's a great conference to be a part of, and it has been getting better every year. But if you reduce the pool of available games from everyone in college football to the teams in the ACC, you are losing flexibility.
So, it really isn't so much about the money and the NBC contract (they would probably get more money by joining, in light of the most recent TV deal the ACC has negotiated). It's about the identity and the brand. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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May 30, 2017, 5:18 PM
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I found this quote by ND's athletic director regarding a time table for building new facilities like a weight room (current one built in 2004):
“It does (need to be updated),” Swarbrick said. “You know, as the science of it changes. We won’t have some of the amenities others have when we get around to doing that. But we want better sports science. Those technologies have to be built into the weight room and training room. We retrofitted a cold plunge into the existing locker room. We’d like to design those things into this space as it works. So again, I don’t know when it’ll happen.”
Doesn't sound like there is a plan in place. Again this is what sets Clemson apart from Notre Dame.
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Re: New Story: Trip to Notre Dame shows the difference between Irish and Clemson
May 30, 2017, 5:59 PM
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Yeah, it sort of does, doesn't it? But I don't think that Swarbrick is saying that the existing weight facilities are subpar. Just that they will upgrade them in accordance with changes in the science surrounding physical development as those changes occur.
One of the things about Notre Dame that's probably different from Clemson is that they like to add on or remodel existing facilities when they can, rather than build new ones outright. Newer isn't automatically better. (I don't mean in any way to disparage your new football complex by saying this. It looks like a great facility.)
The $400 million "Crossroads Project" is a good example of that. The current Notre Dame stadium opened in 1930, and it didn't change at all until they expanded the seating in 1997. Like most college campuses, the campus is several times larger now than it was then. So, while it was built on the edge of the campus, the stadium is now right in the middle of it.
Rather than tear down the stadium and build a new one a mile away, they decided to build around it. They just built a combination of a student center and a number of academic buildings, all connected to the stadium. That allowed them to cost justify a major upgrade to the stadium facilities, as well as justify having the stadium right in the middle of campus when it only gets used a few times a year.
I'd say that idea is pretty unique as stadium upgrades go. I'm looking forward to seeing how it works out.
Clemson has certainly outplayed Notre Dame in the last few years on the field. Perhaps this is because, as you seem to be suggesting, Notre Dame doesn't have the commitment to state-of-the-art facilities that Clemson has, which makes it harder to attract the best players to the school.
And perhaps it isn't. We'll see you in 2020, when y'all stop by. 
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Re: New Story: Trip to Notre Dame shows the difference between Irish and Clemson
May 30, 2017, 5:31 PM
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Nice article. My father started teaching at the Notre Dame Law School in 1956, when I was two days old. We lived on Garland Street for the first two years, right next to Parisi's. Dad died in 2014, after spending 58 years at Notre Dame. Whenever we came into town and went out to dinner, Parisi's was where we went. I have many fond memories of the place.
Sunday Brunch at the Morris Inn is another thing to do, next time you're in town (perhaps you'll make the game in 2020). I'm a coffee snob, and they have some of the best coffee around.
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May 30, 2017, 5:58 PM
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Brings to mind the story about how little the players today know about the past. Hard to sell kids on players from the 80's before they were born. Imagine how tough it is to sell them on the 40's, 50's, and 60's?
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Re: New Story: Trip to Notre Dame shows the difference between Irish and Clemson
May 30, 2017, 6:00 PM
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Very true. One of the things that Brian Kelly has had his players do is interview some of those players and write reports on them.
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Great read David - one of your best***
May 30, 2017, 7:22 PM
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