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Tiger Titan [46774]
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Why didn't
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Aug 9, 2024, 10:58 AM
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the poor victim win their suit on 1st amendment grounds?
Seems like a slam dunk.
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Tiger Titan [46774]
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I read articles for you so you don't have to
Aug 9, 2024, 11:02 AM
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Because reading is hard:
“GARM is a small, not-for-profit initiative, and recent allegations that unfortunately misconstrue its purpose and activities have caused a distraction and significantly drained its resources and finances,” the group said in a statement Friday. “GARM therefore is making the difficult decision to discontinue its activities.”
Looks like they didn't have the money to fight back.
Thought you were suddenly a free speech advocate?
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Re: I read articles for you so you don't have to
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Aug 9, 2024, 11:06 AM
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Sounds like LAWFARE lol
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Campus Hero [13336]
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Again, the first amendment protects their free speech.
Aug 9, 2024, 11:12 AM
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Seems like the ACLU would be happy to take their case.
Maybe there was some merit to the case against them?
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Tiger Titan [46774]
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ACLU wouldn't get involved with a private company
Aug 9, 2024, 11:16 AM
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Nope, no merit. Just a petulant child vowing to destroy advertisers who pulled out because they didn't like his message. So because they don't agree with him and won't give him money, he's going to sue them.
Musk is a giant baby.
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Campus Hero [13336]
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Right.
Aug 9, 2024, 11:18 AM
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Maybe one of our Tnet attorneys would take their case pro bono, since they are such defenders of freedom.
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Re: Right.
Aug 9, 2024, 12:11 PM
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I'd love to but I'm not admitted in the Northern District of Texas. 
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Sssshhhhh***
Aug 9, 2024, 12:37 PM
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I know he said eff the advertisers. But if I'm not mistaken......
Aug 9, 2024, 11:17 AM
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There's nothing compelling ANYONE to advertise on X. It's a choice the advertiser makes, not a requirement Musk demands.
Sounds like they were just some group who conspired to get OTHERS to cut ties. If that's the case, they will just fold and 4 more will pop up. He will end up playing whackamole here until he's broke.
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Tiger Titan [46774]
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Well, it was something he basically demanded
Aug 9, 2024, 11:19 AM
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He threatened them when they left, and recently said he was declaring war on them.
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"Until he goes broke." Gottam, are people that stupid?***
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I wonder what kind of deal he's working with NASA to get their astronauts back.***
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Elon bought twitter so he could lie without filters and fact checks.
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Aug 9, 2024, 11:30 AM
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He seems to have a knack for it.
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Campus Hero [13336]
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You boys do that
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Aug 9, 2024, 11:31 AM
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for a lot less than $44 billion.
Props to you.
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Government surveillance in the US has long passed the $Trillion mark...***
Aug 9, 2024, 11:34 AM
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Re: "Free speech advocate" pitches a tantrum and sues...
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GARM may technically be set up as a non-profit, but its members are some of the largest corporations on the planet. They control 90% of global advertising spending. They're shutting down because they think there's at least a decent chance Musk will win in court, not because they can't afford to pay their lawyers to fight him. Companies are allowed to advertise or not advertise wherever they like, but it seems they might not be allowed to collude with their competitors to do so.
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GARM was 'plausible deniability', the one step in between... Collusion.***
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Re: "Free speech advocate" pitches a tantrum and sues...
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Aug 9, 2024, 11:47 AM
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It kind of sounds like they were bringing a group of businesses together to conspire against another business that would have produced losses, which would most likely be illegal under numerous laws.
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I posted about GARM about a week ago before Musk announced the suit.
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Aug 9, 2024, 11:55 AM
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He's got a case. Now he just needs to lock it up re the WFA's culpability. Good luck in 'court', though...
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Re: Which laws?***
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Aug 9, 2024, 6:02 PM
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Antitrust laws related to illegal boycott and conspiracy.
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Usually that's applied to cases where a company gains a competitve edge
Aug 9, 2024, 6:58 PM
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not sure I see how that can be applied here, but let's see if Musk makes that case and how he bypasses the fact he told his advertisers to "f#ck off".
But he also filed it in a district with a very sympathetic judge, so it may make it past motions which it probably wouldn't in any other district.
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Re: Usually that's applied to cases where a company gains a competitve edge
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Aug 9, 2024, 7:32 PM
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You basically can't conspire a boycott to put a company out of business or to cause damage.
I'm not saying that is what's going on. I haven't seen a lot of details, but from what I have read Musk may have a legitimate complaint.
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I'd like to see the arguments you've seen saying this is legitimate
Aug 9, 2024, 8:01 PM
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From what I've read, for the antitrust boycott law to be in play as you've stated, there needs to be a "competitive advantage" shown by the members creating the boycott, otherwise, it simply falls under a company's right to choose who they do business with. At least, that's my understanding.
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Re: I'd like to see the arguments you've seen saying this is legitimate
Aug 9, 2024, 8:13 PM
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It's the collusion piece that is the issue. Individually, I think you are OK if you are an individual company pulling ads, as long as you are within your contract.
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Again though, from what I read it needs to give them an advantage
Aug 9, 2024, 9:04 PM
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competitively and commercially.
Musk telling them to "f#ck off", there not being any apparent compulsory action on the part of GARM (they provided a framework for companies to use and members were free to follow or not), Twitter/X was a voluntary member of the group, and there seemed to be no competitive advantage gained by not advertising on Twitter certainly makes it difficult to see the merit of the case, in my opinion.
Interestingly, there's a reason this is coming on the heels of the MAGA-led investigation House investigation, it's brought in the district with a sympathetic judge and GARM has now shut down b/c it's a non-profit with few resources. This is creating a chilling effect in many companies in what certainly feels like collusion by MAGA and Elon (Rumble has also now sued). Kind of ironic, really.
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Re: Again though, from what I read it needs to give them an advantage
Aug 9, 2024, 9:12 PM
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Your last paragraph sounds a little conspiratorial. Why would that court favor Musk?
It must be the judge they are worried about and not the case.
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"They'll reap what they sowed." SDNY and DC District aren't in play.***
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Musk is.***
Aug 9, 2024, 10:28 PM
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He's not listed as plaintiff, X (or Twitter) is....
Aug 9, 2024, 11:05 PM
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Which is still a California company (and GARM isn't located in Texas) plus Elon lives in the Southern District.
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Re: It sounds conspiratorial, because it is
Aug 9, 2024, 11:06 PM
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But hey, maybe this organization wasn't trying to get companies to collude to get companies to punish Musk.
You may be right.
I'll tell you this, I appreciate this type of debate on this board from you than, "yous a dummy, yous uh idiot magat #######" type of thing. Don't mind a bit of smart smart azzery, but that other stuff gets old.
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Very much agree which is why I will engage with you over some others
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and I'm not discounting that I could very well be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.
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Re: Very much agree which is why I will engage with you over some others
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Ha! Yeah me too
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How do you feel about gag orders?***
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Awesome victory! GARM, ADL, SPCL, and others are enemies of free speech.***
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Re: "Free speech advocate" pitches a tantrum and sues...
Aug 9, 2024, 5:31 PM
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Can you define collusion?
Collusion is a non-competitive, secret, and sometimes illegal agreement between rivals that attempts to disrupt the market's equilibrium.
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I don't know about this....
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From Wikipedia: "In 2019, WFA formed the Global Alliance for Responsible Media (GARM), a global cross-industry alliance which aims to improve digital safety and eliminate harmful online content. GARM is made up of advertisers, agencies, media companies, platforms and industry organisations and is part of the World Economic Forum's Platform for Shaping the Future of Media, Entertainment and Culture."
From the World Economic Forum site:
The project focuses on addressing the following challenges:
Hate speech
Bullying
Disinformation
Use of personal data
Child exploitation
The goal is to accelerate and advance the role that advertisers can play in collectively pushing to improve the safety of online environments. This alliance drives uncommon collaboration to improve the safety, trustworthiness, and sustainability of media.
https://www.weforum.org/projects/global-alliance-for-responsible-media-garm/
GARM may have been a "small non-profit" but it appears they didn't lack the big horses backing their play. Speaking of their play - GARM was specifically designed to use their access to big money advertisers to censor speech that GARM (or whoever was pulling their strings) deemed "unsafe".
Seems to me GARM's whole purpose was to censor free speech based on their own criteria. I don't want Government censoring speech nor do I want some WEF friendly "non-profit" doing it either. So... good on X for going after these guys.
Meh... Don't worry - I'm sure the world's thought police will just prop up another non-profit down the road under some new name and will continue the work of GARM...
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Globalist Central... They finance US traditional media and are now migrating.***
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So after poking around the GARM stuff it becomes very clear that GARM
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was not some little powerless non-profit getting beat up by the big bad Elon Musk and Rumble. Quite the contrary after seeing the stuff the House Judiciary was finding on them.
Looks like the head dude of GARM - Rob Rackowitz is a leftist, self-righteous choad. Dude seemed to believe that he and his organization would be the self-appointed policing arbiters of truth, misinformation, and hate speech throughout media. It's hard for me to imagine the arrogance it takes to lead that kind of organization.
Apparently GARM, through their connection(s) and close relationship with the World Federation of Advertisers, sought to inflict their media content judgements (i.e. censorship) by leveraging the WFA's ad and media monetizing dollars against media platforms. Since the WFA constitutes about 90% of all ad/monetizing dollars in media this is not some small mouse barking at a bunch of media company lions. GARM sought to get Company's like Spotify, "X", Facebook etc... to implement censoring policies that aligned with GARM's judgements or risk losing ad/monetizing dollars from members of the WFA. That's a pretty potent threat from a small non-profit...
GARM isn't the public's chosen "media police" for social media, but a group of self-appointed leftist "Karens", backed by the WEF who took it upon themselves to be the arbiters of what the public can see, read, and ultimately think. Simply put - GARM is nothing but a censorship organization who uses threat of financial loss to media Company's as a means to implement their censorship. Of course GARM wants to justify their censorship in a false altruistic cloak of stopping misinformation and hate speech but no matter how one slices it - GARM's purpose was censorship.
As I said earlier - I don't want the Government censoring free speech and I darn sure don't want a group of WEF sponsored choads using the advertising back doors of their leftist cancel culture to censor people/platforms.
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Re: So after poking around the GARM stuff it becomes very clear that GARM
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I'm sure if a bunch of right wing religious types were somehow able to manipulate every major advertiser on the planet into not advertising anywhere that didn't support 100% of their views, that the leftist trash on this board (and elsewhere) would meekly accept that reality and never even consider the justice system as a recourse. We all know how reluctant leftists are to sue anyone at the drop of a hat any time they feel repressed.
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Re: "Free speech advocate" pitches a tantrum and sues...
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awwww...sucks for them
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Still checking those notes...? Try flash paper next time.***
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