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CU Guru [1523]
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What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 8:11 PM
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Was it lockdowns? No!
Was it wearing masks? No!
Was it social distancing? No!
Was it some quickly developed vaccine? No!
The fact is that it never went away. The flu (multiple “variants”) still attack us every year.
We just had to learn to live with it.
Covid isn’t “going away” either.
We will simply have to push through it.
Time we got started.
And don’t tell me I wouldn’t say that if I were old and vulnerable.
I’m 72 ... I AM Zold, and I AM “vulnerable” ... and I’m tired of running and hiding from something that isn’t going away no matter what we do.
And I’m tired of being told that I must for my own good and the good of others.
This is all bullsh#t!
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Associate AD [832]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 8:16 PM
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We have a vaccine and quality masks now that help. There is no need to wing it for most of us.
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Orange Blooded [2723]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 8:27 PM
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Quality masks? Lol. People are walking around wearing a piece of cloth on their face and think they’re saving the world. Newsflash, that piece of cloth is worthless. So is a surgical mask for stopping covid.
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Associate AD [832]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 8:31 PM
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We have the option of quality masks is the point. If someone wearing the wrong mask that is their issue. I also know someone who thinks if eats zinc supplements there is no need for him to get vaccinated.
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Game Day Hero [4362]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 9:09 PM
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Wrong. Where I work, we are required to wear cheap mask produced by my company. We are not allowed to substitute with personal masks, even N95 masks. So to say that people have a choice at this point is a very inaccurate statement.
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Associate AD [832]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 9:12 PM
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People have the option generally to use effective masks. I guess there are some exceptions.
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Oculus Spirit [41698]
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are you saying people have the option for n95 masks that
Aug 7, 2021, 2:50 AM
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are properly fitted? Most morons think that a cloth mask provides protection when it is clearly only a small benefit.
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Associate AD [832]
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Re: are you saying people have the option for n95 masks that
Aug 7, 2021, 7:16 AM
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Exactly
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Orange Elite [5491]
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All-Conference [419]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 10:21 PM
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Wrong. Where I work, we are required to wear cheap mask produced by my company. We are not allowed to substitute with personal masks, even N95 masks. So to say that people have a choice at this point is a very inaccurate statement.
You have a choice of where you work! So yes, you have a choice!
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Tiger Spirit [9539]
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Associate AD [832]
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Clemson Icon [26664]
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First off, I'm Moderna vaccinated... However, I know of no-
Aug 9, 2021, 9:45 PM
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one who ever presented Zn, vitamin C, or even HCQ as treatments. Maybe so, but everything I've read was about their preemptive use as a preventative... not as a therapeutic after being diagnosed as Covid positive. Perhaps HCQ in early diagnosis, but...
This test is "Juuuuust a bit late."
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Clemson Conqueror [11128]
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Associate AD [832]
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Re: Along with vitamins D & C.***
Aug 6, 2021, 11:09 PM
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Vitamins are always good for the immune system, but they aren't a substitute for the vaccine.
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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Zinc is great.
Aug 6, 2021, 11:10 PM
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But why does it have to be either-or? Get the vaccine, but also make sure your zinc and vitamin D levels are optimized, and have ivermectin available if you have a breakthrough infection.
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Tiger Spirit [9539]
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It doesn’t have to be either-or.
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Aug 9, 2021, 8:46 AM
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Just my personal decision, and I’m doing fine.
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CU Guru [1523]
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Legend [6896]
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Good, taking the vaccine, if you do get covid you will
Aug 6, 2021, 9:43 PM
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have a 98% chance more likely to live. However, keep wearing a mask to protect others, as you still may carry it- freedom without being responsible is not freedom at all.
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CU Guru [1523]
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No sir ... I will not start wearing a mask again to
Aug 6, 2021, 9:53 PM
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Protect others who choose not to protect themselves.
The only ones remotely in danger from Covid now are those who refuse the vaccine.
It’s readily available for free to absolutely everyone in the USA who wants it.
Choosing not to take it is a personal decision on their part just like choosing not to go back to wearing a mask is a personal choice on my part.
Thank you though.
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Legend [6896]
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At least, you believe in the vaccination...
Aug 6, 2021, 10:09 PM
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I do too, I studied them carefully, as a retired Pathologist, and never liked the flu vaccine, as it is only 40% effective and the worst case of flu I had was after one, so I never took it again.
However, these vaccines have proven much higher effectiveness, and have been tried on 100s of millions recipients.
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CU Guru [1523]
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Re: At least, you believe in the vaccination...
Aug 6, 2021, 10:15 PM
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I don’t know that I “believe” in the vaccine as much as I believe too many people were convinced it was going to the answer.
I also believed them when they told me I could ditch the mask and go back to what’s left of my life.
It appears they lied, or they just didn’t know.
Either way, I’m over following orders.
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Rival Killer [2659]
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Ring of Honor [21305]
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Re: At least, you believe in the vaccination...
Aug 7, 2021, 7:51 AM
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We do not. Tiggity put it best. He said: we have two groups of guinea pigs...those getting the vax, and those getting COVID. Especially as contagious as Delta is, you're going to get one or the other.
So far, one group of guinea pigs is doing a whole lot better than the other.
All credit to Tiggity, because there really is no better way to put it than that.
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Heisman Winner [80785]
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You have no LONG RANGE knowledge of the possible side
Aug 7, 2021, 5:59 PM
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effects of the flu vaccine either, but it is taken by millions every year without a second thought. Shingles and Pneumonia vaccines now out there without discussion as well. It is only because Covid was made a political football that this particular vaccine has been subject to so much ridiculous paranoia.
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Tiger Spirit [9539]
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Many people are making a calculated personal decision
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Aug 9, 2021, 8:44 AM
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to not get the shots, and it is NOT a political statement for them.
However, you are correct that in some ways it did become very political when madame vice president said “if Trump wants me to take it, I ain’t takin it!”
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Oculus Spirit [41698]
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good choice on never taking the flu vaccine again after
Aug 7, 2021, 2:58 AM
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getting sick. Good solid science. 100% ineffective last time so 100% ineffective next time.
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All-Conference [440]
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Re: At least, you believe in the vaccination...
Aug 9, 2021, 9:05 PM
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If these SHOTS (they do not even meet the CDC definition of a vaccine) worked, then why do people get reinfected? Why do they get enough viral load to be carriers and transmitters? Internationally, the number of reinfections in vaccinated people are increasing and the number of unvaccinated people are decreasing. They are now approximately equal. The Pfizer shot alone has already killed 3000+ reported by VAERS. A CDC insider has already testified that 45,000 people have died within the first 3 days after receiving the Pfizer shot. How many died within the first 2 weeks? Safe? Effective?
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Associate AD [1071]
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Re: No sir ... I will not start wearing a mask again to
Aug 10, 2021, 8:50 AM
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>Protect others who choose not to protect themselves.
First I will say I completely agree with your position. You took the precautions you deemed necessary to protect yourself.
Now, as an unvaccinated individual living in a house of completely unvaccinated individuals I will say that I 100% support your choice to not wear a mask. You are not protecting me by doing so. I made the decision not to vaccinate, not because I am an anti-vaxxer (I have received many vaccinations over the years and regularly get my flu shot; my kids are fully vaccinated as appropriate for their ages, etc.), but because the math didn't work out for me. I'm a middle-aged very healthy, very active individual with no pre-existing conditions. *If* I contract COVID I stand a 99.7% chance of surviving it. The vaccine will do what? Bump that from 99.7 to 99.8? And I have to get a booster shot every 6 months? It isn't going to prevent me from getting it and it's not going to prevent me from spreading it as we're now seeing from all the data coming out. The vaccine also does not have any data that proves its safety over a long period of time - 5 years or more. I have too many years ahead of me to be experimented on with this jab so I am accepting the risk of contracting the virus and living my life in the same manner as I did 2 years ago - without any fear.
All of that said, I did encourage my parents to vaccinate (which they did). Being older and having pre-existing conditions put them at higher risk so the long term unknowns are less of a concern than the knowns of what the virus could do to them.
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Orange Elite [5491]
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Orange Blooded [2867]
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Re: Good, taking the vaccine, if you do get covid you will
Aug 10, 2021, 4:43 PM
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Would you use a parachute with a 1 in 50 chance of not opening?
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Athletic Dir [874]
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Re: Yes ... I’ve taken the vaccine, I’ve worn the mask ... I’ve
Aug 7, 2021, 3:26 PM
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Bingo...
It's a slippery slope. "Do this, and you can do that" ...that never ends well.
The goalposts keep moving and before you know it, you can't shop or work if you dont have the newest vaccine booster. Keep playing this game of complying.
There is a reason they are silencing doctors that don't go along with the narrative. This isn't a conspiracy anymore...
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All-In [11084]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 10:11 PM
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Yeah please show me people working in a lab with viruses that are wearing these dust masks. Lol people will believe anything the government and CNN tells them.
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 7, 2021, 5:37 AM
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Well, don't believe the government and CNN then, that's everyones personal right. I'll choose to believe the docs that use N95 masks to protect themselves during long shifts in Covid wards, even though they aren't 100% either, but best thing they have. I'll also choose to believe the docs on the vaccines as 97% of them have rolled up their sleeves and gotten the shot(s). Btw, in general, docs are very smart people when compared to the general stupid population IMHO.
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 10, 2021, 5:43 PM
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Vaccines don't work and neither do mask. The virus easily gets thru the mask no matter what mask. Ever breathed during cold winter day with your face diaper on. Yeah go use your science with that.
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1st Rounder [612]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 8:18 PM
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Yes we all understand that there are laws of the land-At the young age of 72 years, you have shown the god given sense to pretty much know right from wrong. I am sure that is how you made it to 72 and I hope many more to come.
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CU Guru [1523]
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Bless your heart ... thank you.
Aug 6, 2021, 11:09 PM
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??
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All-TigerNet [10825]
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Well like half the population of the world died
Aug 6, 2021, 8:18 PM
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So the virus kinda lost steam ???????
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CU Guru [1523]
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Re: Well like half the population of the world died
Aug 6, 2021, 9:29 PM
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Well, your number is a huge exaggeration, but yes the virus did lose steam.
And that will happen with Covid too.
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Associate AD [832]
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Re: Well like half the population of the world died
Aug 6, 2021, 9:48 PM
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Supposedly 1/3 according to the link on this thread.
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Solid Orange [1349]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 8:19 PM
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By "push through it" do you mean letting millions of Americans die from it?
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CU Guru [1523]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 9:06 PM
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At this point, there is absolutely no evidence to say that millions of people will die from the current “variant” we’re running from.
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Orange Immortal [66754]
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What about the next variant ??
Aug 7, 2021, 7:52 AM
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Or the next?
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Associate AD [1071]
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Re: What about the next variant ??
Aug 10, 2021, 8:54 AM
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As viruses mutate they become more transmissible but less severe. This is how they work.
Do you remember Zika Virus? Or the bird flu? or the swine flu? or SARS? I'm willing to bet less than 0.5% of the US population has been vaccinated against any of those, and guess what? We're all fine and doing well!
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Game Day Hero [4362]
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CU Guru [1523]
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Because exaggerating the facts works! And they know it.***
Aug 6, 2021, 9:14 PM
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Solid Orange [1349]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 9:52 PM
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"We’re a year and a half into this and haven’t even hit a million Americans yet."
Yes but only because of the masks, social distancing, and vaccines. The pandemic-deniers keep saying it has a "99% survival rate." OK. Look at how many would die if we stopped doing those things based on that rate.
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CU Guru [1523]
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I am not a pandemic “denier” ... I wore the mask and i
Aug 6, 2021, 9:59 PM
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Took the vaccine because I knew it was real and at 72, I wanted to protect myself.
I continued to wear a mask even after I got the vaccine (to protect others) until such time as the ones in powers told me it was okay not to.
What I’m denying is the idea that a variant with a fraction of the killing power of the original is sufficient cause to go back and start over.
It’s just not ...
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Orange Elite [5491]
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Solid Orange [1349]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 9:57 PM
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"Millions of Americans??? Really ???"
Assume 1% of the current unvaccinated die and add that to the current total. It's about 2 million.
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CU Guru [1523]
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The un-vaccinated at this point are making the conscious
Aug 6, 2021, 10:02 PM
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choice to roll the dice.
If they die (in the millions) from the Delta Variant ... and there is absolutely no strong evidence that they will, then it’s sort of on them.
Right?
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Orange Elite [5491]
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Re: The un-vaccinated at this point are making the conscious
Aug 9, 2021, 10:39 PM
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Delta ???? There is NO test that tell thing about getting the delta. Lol you people will believe anything
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1st Rounder [690]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 10:01 PM
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Yes. Nobody has any idea what is going on. To live is to assume risk. The focus needs to be on personal health, but it is taboo to even make that part of the conversation. The virus is nowhere near as deadly as a very loud percentage of this country believe and an equally loud contingent refuse to view anything through a political non-partisan lense. We as citizens have let this happen. Politicians are scummy by nature. Why people put so much of their self identity in a political menu is beyond me.
I swear, if this friggin opening game gets messed up by some re-branded annual flu…
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Top TigerNet [32920]
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It’s comforting to know that people with this kind of attitude
Aug 6, 2021, 8:24 PM
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Don’t have a lot of years left on earth.
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CU Guru [1523]
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Glad I could offer you some comfort f u c kI wad.
Aug 6, 2021, 8:59 PM
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I’ll probably be around after you’re gone.
But if I’m not, it won’t be because a sh it lick like you was concerned.
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Top TigerNet [32920]
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With your age…. No chance***
Aug 6, 2021, 10:37 PM
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CU Guru [1523]
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Re: With your age…. No chance***
Aug 6, 2021, 11:13 PM
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Yes, but your being a sh it lick and fu ck wad greatly affects your potential mortality.
I’ll take my chances.
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CU Guru [1437]
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Re: With your age…. No chance***
Aug 9, 2021, 5:15 PM
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Age? Or lack of intelligence. This guy has probably come close to a couple of Darwin awards by now for sure.
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You’re a ####### moron
Aug 6, 2021, 8:29 PM
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Good luck getting Covid, dicknozzle.
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CU Guru [1523]
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I’m vaccinated you ignorant d!psh,t ... so why do I need to
Aug 6, 2021, 8:56 PM
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Worry?
Tell yo what a$zhole you worry about you. That should be enoughof a challenge.
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Orange Blooded [2392]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 8:43 PM
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Can’t we stick to football on the first day of practice? What a Mensa candidate. Chumps like this guy head to the ER at the drop of a hat when they get a sniffle from COVID. Man the F up and stay home when that happens tough guy. I await your next poast when you find religion just before being intubated.
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CU Guru [1523]
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No, we can say what we want to in the “amphitheater” because
Aug 6, 2021, 9:09 PM
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That’s what it’s for.
So KMA ... you have no clue what you’re talking about.
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CU Guru [1523]
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Re: Truth is it killed everyone it was going to kill and mutated towards the mean.
Aug 6, 2021, 9:01 PM
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In other words, it ran its course.
We were defenseless against it.
And yes, it killed everyone it was going to kill.
And so will Covid.
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Associate AD [832]
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Re: Truth is it killed everyone it was going to kill and mutated towards the mean.
Aug 6, 2021, 9:09 PM
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Thats not the situation with covid. It is generally killing the non vaccinated being killed.
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CU Guru [1523]
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Not getting the vaccine is a choice. If it’s effective then
Aug 6, 2021, 9:37 PM
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only the non-vaccinated need to be concerned.
The vaccine is easily and readily available for free to absolutely everyone in the USA who wants it.
I’m ranting here because I took the vaccine months ago. Ind I wore the frigging mask for over a year.
I was told that by doing so, I was protected and that I could begin to live my life again.
Now because of some highly transmissible, not particularly deadly variant has popped up, everyone is suddenly talking about starting over.
I’m not doing it.
You can if you want to, but not me.
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Ring of Honor [23953]
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Have at it and stop whining.***
Aug 6, 2021, 9:43 PM
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CU Guru [1523]
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I’m not whining, I’m ranting ... learn the difference.
Aug 6, 2021, 10:07 PM
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I’m in a discussion room aptly called “The Amphitheater” amplifying my personal opinions.
So, in a way, I AM “having at it” ...
You can walk right on by without saying anything if you feel like it.
Nobody is going to tackle you and drag you back.
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Ring of Honor [23953]
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Right. You enjoy the whining. I'll enjoy calling you a
Aug 6, 2021, 10:32 PM
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whiny little #####. Learn the difference.
It's a discussion board after all.
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CU Guru [1523]
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And what are you discussing? You come through the door
Aug 6, 2021, 11:21 PM
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Of your own volition telling me I need to shut up. What a brilliant debate you bring to the table.
Dream on son.
I’ve seen enough of your posts over the years to know where you stand on most stuff, so I won’t lose much sleep over what you have to say here.
Discuss that.
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Dynasty Maker [3495]
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Re: And what are you discussing? You come through the door
Aug 9, 2021, 7:22 PM
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Remember Sprite, my Dad always told me, “You can’t argue with stupid @$$holes. They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
It’s not enough to comply with them, now they want to force you to smile while we all eat the #### sandwich.
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Redshirt [99]
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Re: Right. You enjoy the whining. I'll enjoy calling you a
Aug 10, 2021, 5:08 PM
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You have perhaps the poorest reading comprehension skills of anyone on this forum, one of the first to go out of your way to launch personal attacks at people you don’t know and have never met, and offer nothing in terms of substance to a discussion.
Since the above is a compound sentence, it will fly right over you T-boned Charleston head.
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CU Guru [1523]
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I’m not arguing against the vaccine. I took it as soon as
Aug 6, 2021, 9:18 PM
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It was available.
What I’m ranting about is the push to start everything all over again and to act as if those who took the vaccine needn’t have because, well, it didn’t work ...
We were assured that taking the vaccine was the end of it for the vaccinated.
Now we’re being told to mask up again.
No! Just not happening!!
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Orange Blooded [2275]
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Associate AD [832]
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Re: You’re wrong. Plenty of people will survive that would have died had they
Aug 6, 2021, 9:51 PM
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Its already been proven. He is accurate. Its being proven daily. He is correct.
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Oculus Spirit [40654]
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [103384]
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That's about it.
Aug 7, 2021, 8:53 AM
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But the trick is to let it kill us slowly so hospitals can keep up. That is literally the only reason we need to take precautions. Because if a hospital fills with covid patients, then people in car wrecks, heart attacks, strokes, cancer, and covid infected people who can't get treated all die as well. About 140,000 more Americans have died due to covid, not from covid. And full hospitals play a big role in that. Deferred surgeries, treatments, routine care, and the emergencies and injuries. All of us recieve worse Healthcare when the hospital is slammed. And that is a secondary death toll no one thinks about.
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TigerNet Champion [118115]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 8:49 PM
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it teetered out after world war I. it was not nearly as transmissible, the second wave killed people within 2 days of catching it. You can walk around for weeks infecting people with COVID before you become symptomatic.
stop being a dingus.
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Clemson Icon [27622]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 8:50 PM
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Jonas Salk says hello! When did you last hear of a polio case???!
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TigerNet Champion [118115]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 8:58 PM
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my grandfather died of polio before I was born. We did not even know the cause of influenza until 1930, people who caught the Spanish flu mostly died from Pneumonia, any vaccines at the time were completely useless against influenza. The Spanish flu's symptoms and onset were so severe, it was hard for the disease to travel, especially considering people were still riding horses to get around. it was allowed to piggyback all over Europe because of the war. It in fact killed more soldiers than combat over its 2-year surge.
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Recruit [91]
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There are some every year
Aug 7, 2021, 5:38 PM
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mostly from the vaccine itself. It is almost gone.
I bring up polio and smallpox and then a very smart friend reminds me that animals didn’t carry those viruses. This virus will end up like the flu, with most people having some level of immunity from vaccine or infection. And like the flu, variants or new strains will appear that increase the yearly burden for a while. A lot more vaccine deniers are going to die before we get there, though.
https://polioeradication.org/polio-today/polio-now/
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Valley Protector [1443]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 9:00 PM
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I saw a picture of the Clemson vs Georgia Tech game during this time and most of the fans were wearing mask.
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CU Guru [1523]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 9:03 PM
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I’ve seen that picture.
They also weren’t socially distanced.
They were just doing what they were told.
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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After all, we’ve only lost 616,000 Americans so far to COVID.
Aug 6, 2021, 9:05 PM
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No big deal, right?
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CU Guru [1523]
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Re: After all, we’ve only lost 616,000 Americans so far to COVID.
Aug 6, 2021, 9:25 PM
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Will locking down again bring those people back?
We are where we are.
We’re being told that developing the vaccine is now NOT effective enough and that we need to perhaps star again because not enough people have accepted the vaccine.
The people who refuse the vaccine should be on their own. It’s their choice.
Those who took it should be left alone.
They were told if they complied, they would be viewed as having done their part.
You go back and wear a mask again,
I’m not.
It’s time to accept the fact that Covid is not going away and that a variant which is more transmissible, but not as deadly is something we can deal with.
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110%er [3758]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 9:16 PM
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Everybody died!!
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CU Guru [1523]
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Actually, no ... they didn’t.
Aug 6, 2021, 9:27 PM
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A lot of people died. And a lot of people still die.
From the flu.
Very few are dying from the “variant” .
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Associate AD [832]
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Re: Actually, no ... they didn’t.
Aug 6, 2021, 9:42 PM
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A lot are ending up in the hospital though and taking all of the beds and creating problems for the system.
That could supposedly be avoided with vaccinations.
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Orange Elite [5491]
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Re: Actually, no ... they didn’t.
Aug 9, 2021, 10:53 PM
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You spewing cnn crap you have nothing to back up what you say
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Game Changer [2031]
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CU Guru [1523]
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Re: It's still here
Aug 6, 2021, 10:10 PM
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Zyep, that’s what I said in my OP.
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Recruit [91]
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Some of them
Aug 7, 2021, 5:41 PM
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There a lot of seasonal flus
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Orange Elite [5168]
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I think the OP's point is...
Aug 6, 2021, 9:27 PM
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folks 100 yrs ago weren't a bunch of Puzzys and played football with leather strapped across their craniums just to look cool.
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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Yes, and their life expectancy was about 50 years.
Aug 6, 2021, 9:44 PM
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They sound super tuff!
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Orange Elite [5168]
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yep - you can choose your path -***
Aug 6, 2021, 10:16 PM
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TigerNet Elite [74529]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 9:28 PM
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I've always heard more died of flu than bullets in WWI. Not sure if true but have heard it for years
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All-TigerNet [5707]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 9:42 PM
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Just read where China has reported only 4700k deaths due to COVID. I now know why Biden is so enamored with the great Republic. We should follow what they are doing
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Clemson Conqueror [11937]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 10:04 PM
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Is that 4,700 or 4.7M genius I don’t understand infowars math? Trump’s master Putin probably just takes people out and shoots them when they get infected. I’m surprised Donny dummazz didn’t try that when it became apparent people weren’t following his suggestion to chug Lysol.
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CU Guru [1523]
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Biden, Trump ... Trump, Biden ... blah blah blah blah
Aug 6, 2021, 10:43 PM
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This is the sort of nonsense that takes discussions down the rabbit hole.
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Clemson Conqueror [11937]
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Re: Biden, Trump ... Trump, Biden ... blah blah blah blah
Aug 7, 2021, 1:33 AM
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Really? My response was like the 90th post the rabbit hole is far far in the rearview window. If you wanna look for the guy who derailed your topic look to the guy who mentioned china and the president.
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All-TigerNet [5707]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 7, 2021, 1:29 AM
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Oh my, I bet your checking account is a mess.
The numbers that separate 4700k and 4.7 million is very vital in this. Actually just google China and 4700k COVID deaths. I got it off Reuters , so take it for what it’s worth. However, it will be confirmed on most who reported on it. I dont think you understand China do you? It’s kind of like a footprint for what we’re shooting for here , so I would become a little more familiar with it if I were u.
That was as of July 26th which was the last day the state run media was allowed access to the numbers from what I can tell.
And I also believe someone is having separation anxiety from Trump. Kind of like when a girl dumped a guy years ago and then he blames every other failed relationship on that girl. I’ll be honest, something tells me someone also actually tried the Lysol thing didn’t you. What scent did u use?
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Clemson Conqueror [11937]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 7, 2021, 1:46 AM
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Separation anxiety is an apt comparison since Trumple foreskin is an infant. However, your comparison of a prior relationship falls short; this was more like an arrange marriage in which at the last minute the parents find out the betrothed is into bestiality and puts the kibosh on the whole thing. The country is in a much better place but we’re still left with a former significant other that likes to phuque donkeys.
I can understand why you got the representation of the numerical value wrong; it’s because all you know how to do is parrot what you read online. You have no ability to think for yourself; you’ve spent so much time just repeating what you’ve read on far right websites that you are incapable of independent thought.
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Ring of Honor [21305]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 7, 2021, 7:59 AM
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You obviously did not read the article.
Again, Modi's government is drastically underreporting. You have to take no further look than the picture above to know that. What's going on in the pic above is, those are bodies that have been illegally buried - and hence not reported - in one mass dump grave in one village the soft silt in the bank of the Ganges River there in India. There's massive reports everywhere of that kind of thing.
That's illegal, and hence, is unreported. The actual deaths are about ten times greater than reported, and that's starting to come out now. Modi's a populist and is trying to hide the true scale of just how bad stuff is over there from his own people. Because it was bad. Their "excess mortality" spiked to astounding levels during the pandemic.
Again, from Reuters.
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/indias-30093-new-covid-19-cases-are-lowest-daily-figure-4-mths-2021-07-20/
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110%er [5156]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 9:56 PM
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It....killed 50 million people.
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CU Guru [1523]
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Yes, it absolutely did. No argument. We had no defense and
Aug 6, 2021, 10:39 PM
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it killed until it couldn’t kill any more.
At least not in those numbers. But, it still kills huge numbers every year. Because, it never went away. We had to live with it.
We developed vaccines to help us cope, but the flu is not ever going away.
And neither is Covid.
It’s killed a huge number of people, but all indications ( the science, if you will) show that the deadliest part is over and the vaccine is protecting those who take it from the more transmissible, yet far less virulent Delta Varient.
The only people with a remote chance of dying from Covid now are those who refuse the vaccine,
They’re making a conscious choice.
We who complied and were told to go on living our lives normally are understandably a bit miffed at being told now that we should sorta go back to square one.
The vaccinated are mostly safe. The unvaccinated probably are too to a large degree. They are taking a chance, but that’s in them.
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 6, 2021, 10:49 PM
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Darwin , huh?
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CU Guru [1523]
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Back the, That’s exactly what it was.
Aug 6, 2021, 11:28 PM
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Survival of the fittest.
Today, with a vaccine available, it’s become more a matter of survival of the smartest.
The vaccinated have almost zero chance of dying from Covid from this point on.
That’s why me (and millions of others) are really upset that after taking the vaccine and wearing a mask for over a year, our leaders now think we may not have done enough.
Now we need to be concerned about the unvaccinated when everyone in the USA who wants a vaccination can get one easily.
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1st Rounder [600]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 7, 2021, 12:09 AM
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The virulent Spanish flu went “away” after millions died and the world reached herd immunity- most had either died or survived and the virus ran out of hosts.
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Ring of Honor [21305]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 7, 2021, 1:00 AM
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You do realize Delta probably killed something like four million people in India, right? The Modi government is drastically underreporting. We're currently at 616,000 here in the US...and cases are currently climbing bigly again and ICU's are filling up again.
I think we could well hit a million ourselves. I hope we don't, but I think we might. And that is...awful.
Delta is no joke.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/07/20/1018438334/indias-pandemic-death-toll-estimated-at-about-4-million-10-times-the-official-co#:~:text=India's%20COVID%20Death%20Toll%20Estimated,Report%20%3A%20Goats%20and%20Soda%20%3A%20NPR&text=All%20Things%20Considered-,India's%20COVID%20Death%20Toll%20Estimated%20At%20About%204%20Million%2C%20Says,researchers%20in%20a%20new%20study
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 7, 2021, 2:00 AM
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Stating that wearing a mask does not help is pure nonsense. Why do you think the flu numbers were so low ? People were wearing masks. Why do you think all medical personnel wear masks ? If they didn't work, all of them would have contracted Covid.
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Oculus Spirit [41698]
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no medical professionals treat covid patients while
Aug 7, 2021, 3:52 AM
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wearing cloth masks. Surgical masks are not intended to prevent viruses and that is not the reason why medical professionals wear them.
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Game Changer [1679]
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Re: no medical professionals treat covid patients while
Aug 7, 2021, 6:06 AM
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Correct, they wear N95 masks which protect long term exposures and the surgical masks only help for very short periods of exposure.
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MVP [502]
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What is the point....
Aug 7, 2021, 4:10 AM
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This conversation goes on and on and on and on.
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Orange Blooded [2587]
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And so many....
Aug 7, 2021, 7:42 AM
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are up too early.
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CU Medallion [19863]
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Better subject line: BugEyeSprite announces he will no longer wear a mask.***
Aug 7, 2021, 7:03 AM
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CU Guru [1523]
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Haha! Best response yet. Spot on!
Aug 9, 2021, 1:56 PM
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I have indeed done all I’m going to do regarding this whole thing.
I put on the mask and wore it for over a year.
I stood on those “social distancing” markers while I waited on line.
I got the vaccine at the very earliest opportunity.
I was told by the most powerful and knowledgeable people in the country that “the science” now said that I was safe myself and that others around me were safe “from me” ...
That’s the science I’m going by ... I’m tired of having the goal posts moved back constantly.
Yes ... NO!
BugEyeSprite will no longer keep listening to purveyors of the most recently amended “science”.
He will NOT put on a mask again.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [103384]
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This isn't 1918. This isn't influenza.
Aug 7, 2021, 8:05 AM
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And this isn't a pandemic. A flu pandemic is when a single new flu strain emerges, we all get it, become immune, and it fades away. Think of this as influenza 2.0. At some point there was THE first flu strain. I imagine it was a pandemic. Then there was a second one. And a third. All pandemics. Eventually we saw all it had to offer and lived with it. Same process here.
But it's not a pandemic and it will not go away. Technically we're on our third covid pandemic in the US. When a new strain comes through that doesn't swamp hospitals then it's "over". But it will be around for generations. When hospitals go beyond capacity we have to take precautions.
So put on a mask for 2 months. It will go away. And you can take the mask off. Or if you get it you're safe for a while.
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Re: This isn't 1918. This isn't influenza.
Aug 9, 2021, 8:38 PM
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Wow. This is so factually incorrect, I would exhaust myself trying to outline the many ways in which you are wrong.
Start with any college level microbiology textbook and read about influenza and coronavirus to start. Then you can START forming rudimentary hypotheses about pandemics and infectious diseases.
Sorry to sound condescending. I have spent over 30 years studying and treating disease.
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Didn’t Teddy Roosevelt defeat it on
Aug 7, 2021, 8:11 AM
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Found Juan hill?
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Aug 7, 2021, 8:37 AM
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National Champion [7525]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 9, 2021, 8:40 PM
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There’s your proof. The masks caused it to go away. <———humor
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Legend [6795]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 7, 2021, 8:42 AM
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Ask yourself this question. If you or a loved one gets Covid and are on a ventilator near death would you have gotten the vaccine in a do over?
There is risk with the vaccine and there is risk not getting it. Now let's look at the facts as of what we know now. Covid can kill you and Covid can make you very sick. The vaccine for the most part is safe, there have been some issues. As of now we don't know the long-term effects of the vaccine. I know Covid can destroy me so I took the risk and got the vaccine. Yes there is a chance I could regret that decision.
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Legend [6738]
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This makes sense, unless you are using Covid for political
Aug 7, 2021, 10:51 AM
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gain.
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Commissioner [1259]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 7, 2021, 5:52 PM
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Biggest scam in world history.
Have fun with that mRNA garbage in your body. It’s killed just about every animal lol
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Commissioner [1259]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 7, 2021, 5:52 PM
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Biggest scam in world history.
Have fun with that mRNA garbage in your body. It’s killed just about every animal lol
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Orange Blooded [4679]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 9, 2021, 4:51 PM
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I really hope that’s not true because I have lots of family and friends who have been vaccinated. In a way I feel lucky to have had covid back in December. With the natural immunity process I now will not be having to make the decision to take the shot.
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CU Guru [1437]
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Orange Blooded [4679]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 9, 2021, 9:54 PM
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“Poster above is a moron”. Ok whatever. State your medical background for me please. I am absolutely not wrong.
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Tiger Spirit [9539]
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Must have a phd in name-calling and government obedience.
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Aug 10, 2021, 9:21 AM
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Does that count?
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Orange Blooded [4679]
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Re: Must have a phd in name-calling and government obedience.
Aug 10, 2021, 9:36 AM
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I think he does. By the way the vaccine policy at AnMed Health (Anderson) states that those who have had covid may opt out of the vaccine.
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Clemson Icon [26664]
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It's dependent on the severity of the original infection and
Aug 10, 2021, 1:27 AM
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thus the amount of antibodies developed... My BIL was very sick, in the ICU for several touchy days, and received numerous plasma treatments... He recovered and was later retested. The doctor told him his antibody levels were the highest he'd seen. No way he should get a vaccine.He's never had one. It varies from patient to patient but he wishes he HAD gotten vaccinated prior. He came REAL close...
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National Champion [7525]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 9, 2021, 8:50 PM
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mRNA is produced by your body every day. It’s just a blueprint for protein formation. It denatures relatively quickly, which is why you get a second shot.
The proteins your body produces from this spike protein mRNA also denature rather quickly.
The immune response that is produced, if exaggerated can cause issues. Most of the deleterious reactions are due to this. This effect can linger.
You don’t have to worry about the shot lingering in your body. If aren’t one of the few individuals who get the “immune system reactions gone haywire” in the few weeks after the vaccine, you are fine.
Understand how this works and you can leave the worry to others.
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1st Rounder [659]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 9, 2021, 5:22 PM
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We beat the Spanish at Pearl Harbor
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110%er [9905]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 9, 2021, 5:27 PM
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I heard it was brought under control by wild dogs that live in the woods and btw it was the Germans we beat at Pearl Harbor. Jeez, brush up on your history.
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1st Rounder [659]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 9, 2021, 5:38 PM
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Sorry, I got all my history knowledge from Mr. Peabody and Sherman. Thanks for setting me straight.
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110%er [9905]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 9, 2021, 6:05 PM
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Delta House here. Brother Bluto knew what he was talking about. Seven years of college is something to be reckoned with.
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Ring of Honor [23156]
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this river don't go to Aintry boy.***
Aug 9, 2021, 8:26 PM
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Orange Elite [5593]
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Re: What caused the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic to go away?
Aug 9, 2021, 10:50 PM
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Are you vaccinated ?
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CU Guru [1523]
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Yes ... affirmative ... as stated many times in the thread.
Aug 10, 2021, 4:56 PM
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The answer is yes. I AM vaccinated.
That’s why I refuse to go back to wearing a mask again to protect those when refuse the vaccine.
That’s the crux of the entire original post.
I did what was asked of me on all fronts for well over a year.
Now, since the top minds in the media, government, and health fields continue to change the rules, II will do what I think best personally.
I’m vaccinated so I’m not a threat to me or you. And if you’re unvaccinated, I don’t consider you a risk to me.
Might sound simple but I’m going with it.
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