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TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:00 PM
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110%er [3987]
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No
Jan 3, 2022, 1:02 PM
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Re: No
Jan 3, 2022, 3:48 PM
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Dabo using Clemson as his piggy bank to enrich his friends just cost us Bates. Nepotism will eventually bite you in the ###.
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Re: No
Jan 3, 2022, 5:15 PM
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Could this be the reason he wasn't promoted to the defensive coordinator?
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Re: No
Jan 4, 2022, 12:29 AM
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You better be worried about OL coach being hired that’s just a descendent from Robbie Caldwell. He was the IL coach I’ve ever seen & Dano hired his descendent so what’s he expecting the same shot ol coaching we had feom RC ! He should have been fired 3 years ago because our OL was apathetic.
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Re: No
Jan 4, 2022, 10:58 AM
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Nepotism?
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Legend [6760]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:03 PM
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So what happened to not poaching our staff?
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Orange Blooded [2662]
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upset about not being named DC? Or....
Jan 3, 2022, 1:07 PM
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maybe it was already established that he was leaving after bowl season
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he offered him a promotion after being overlooked at Clemson
Jan 3, 2022, 1:19 PM
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can't blame him and it was to be expected after Dabo's buddy got promoted over him.
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Re: he offered him a promotion after being overlooked at Clemson
Jan 3, 2022, 1:24 PM
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Well obviously not much of a fan he was promoted to assistant Head Coach
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Oculus Spirit [41699]
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LOL Assistant head coach means nothing
Jan 3, 2022, 1:29 PM
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it is just a title. There is a reason the coordinators get paid more and are never assistant head coaches.
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Paw Master [17559]
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Re: LOL Assistant head coach means nothing
Jan 3, 2022, 2:27 PM
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That’s “Assistant to the Head Coach,” “Assistant Head Coach” is very important.
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Clemson Sports Icon [58070]
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Re: LOL Assistant head coach means nothing
Jan 3, 2022, 3:04 PM
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TU for reference The Office.
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Rival Killer [2865]
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Re: LOL Assistant head coach means nothing
Jan 4, 2022, 12:14 AM
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Venables was assistant head coach. So I’m guessing Dabo is just different. Because they never assign coordinators assistant head coaches.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:03 PM
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Well didn’t see that coming. Thanks 2022.
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Orange Blooded [2992]
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Someone posted a couple days ago that there was noise
Jan 3, 2022, 1:16 PM
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That poster was given the typical Tnet response when someone says they are hearing things. Looks like he was right and not everyone is a troll or a coot just because Tnet don't like the news.
I hate he is leaving. I hope we get some new blood in the system.
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Re: Someone posted a couple days ago that there was noise
Jan 4, 2022, 4:54 PM
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I doubt it. Everything I've heard is that Dabo has surrounded himself with yes-men. Venables was the one person to be a dissenting voice at times. Someone who is very comfortable in their position and is surrounded by "his people" who will always agree and tell them what they want to hear are very unlikely to want to risk rocking that boat. It happens to even great leaders and is human nature.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 5:26 PM
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Wow. This gentleman was named the top recruiter of 2019 on his side of the ball. THAT concerns me far more than his coaching title. Who will step in with same recruiting prowess to replace him? Yet another hit to Clemson’s recruiting connections and continuity.
Really top notch recruiters do not grow on trees.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 5:26 PM
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Wow. This gentleman was named the top recruiter of 2019 on his side of the ball. THAT concerns me far more than his coaching title. Who will step in with same recruiting prowess to replace him? Yet another hit to Clemson’s recruiting connections and continuity.
Really top notch recruiters do not grow on trees.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:04 PM
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Wow absolutely wow
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:05 PM
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I'm sure Coach V and Dabo discussed all this before hand a decided to wait until the end of the season to announce it. Dabo has a plan.
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Orange Elite [5304]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:08 PM
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Better be looking at Nick Eason....ex-Clemson player and DL coach of Auburn.
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Re: Wonder why he named him Associate HC
Jan 3, 2022, 1:30 PM
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Exactly.
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Re: TNET: Custer had a plan too......
Jan 3, 2022, 6:07 PM
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So did Sitting Bull. Fortunately, his plan was better conceived and ultimately led to the total destruction of that scum Custer!
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 4:17 PM
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I don’t know sir. It looks to be a surprise, otherwise why would Dabo bother with promoting him 3 weeks ago?
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 4, 2022, 4:50 PM
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You people who just keep insisting Dabo has a plan, when he hasn't showed the slightest evidence on one, seem really mentally ill.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:05 PM
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Well that sucks. Biggest hit to recruiting. He is a players coach and can really connect with kids these days. Big hurt
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:09 PM
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wait, I thought our recruiting sucked now?
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Freshman [-94]
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lol
Jan 3, 2022, 1:16 PM
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That’s what I love about stupid liberals. Everything is all or nothing. You don’t have a clue about nuance.
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Re: lol
Jan 3, 2022, 1:24 PM
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Irony: sweeping generalization accusing another group of sweeping generalizations. Stupidity + confidence = bulletproof argument, right?
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Dynasty Maker [3576]
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Ask him if he has gotten his vaccine ;)***
Jan 3, 2022, 2:02 PM
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Re: lol
Jan 3, 2022, 1:27 PM
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You realize you’re on a Clemson message board right? The odds that any given user is a “liberal” are pretty low - much less every single person that disagrees with you about something. Try having an actual point.
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Re: lol
Jan 3, 2022, 1:38 PM
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that depends since every study ever done on it have shown the more educated people are the more liberal their views become Therefore if this post is filled with Clemson GRADUATES then dont make the assumption that the majority of members are conservative
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Re: lol
Jan 3, 2022, 1:43 PM
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Re: lol
Jan 3, 2022, 1:50 PM
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While there are studies that state what your saying when we then contrast the actual political makeup of the state and the political leaning of CFB fans generally throwing “#######” darts at everyone you disagree with on this site is gonna miss a lot of the time - and the poster I was originally replying to does it quite a bit.
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Re: lol
Jan 3, 2022, 3:12 PM
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I think it is young vs old.
When you’re young and not a liberal you have no heart.
When you’re old and not a conservative you no brain.
Paraphrasing Winston Churchill
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Re: lol
Jan 3, 2022, 3:12 PM
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I think it is young vs old.
When you’re young and not a liberal you have no heart.
When you’re old and not a conservative you no brain.
Paraphrasing Winston Churchill
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Re: lol
Jan 3, 2022, 5:37 PM
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Liberal viewpoints in operation today are the absolute antithesis of educated or logical. Insanity? Yes. Mature judgment? No. Liberal run cities and states are dumpster fires.
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Re: lol
Jan 3, 2022, 8:11 PM
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Will you knuckleheads quit hijacking threads...and leave your silly politics alone...
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Re: lol
Jan 5, 2022, 10:00 AM
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Exactly, they're crazy as all get out
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Re: lol
Jan 3, 2022, 2:10 PM
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Well there it is. I knew it was just a matter of time before someone veered off topic and started with the political/social media labels. Some folks just don't have the ability to stay focused on a sports message board...
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Re: lol
Jan 3, 2022, 4:27 PM
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leave politics out of this please, it's CFB. The ignorant divisions and polarization ON BOTH SIDES don't need to come hear, our sanctuary.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:18 PM
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Who said that? I said it was a big hit to our recruiting. Which it is. Bates is a great coach and excellent recruiter.
Good job though boss.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:24 PM
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There are literally hundreds of posts on the first page of the message board about how bad our roster management is and how bad the 2021 recruiting class is. I’m just curious how those things are reconciled? Is the recruiting coordinator not involved? I know I don’t understand nuance but they seem to be contradictory.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:48 PM
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Orange Blooded [2332]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 2:24 PM
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You reconcile it the same way that you reconcile someone being a better coordinator than head coach. Sometimes one is better at managing than doing the actual task. Not saying that Bates wouldn't have developed into a great recruiting coordinator but he was certainly a great recruiter.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 2:06 PM
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Not the same thing as roster management. Dabo's "plan" better include someone that can bring in the Jimmy and Joes. Because we've lost a ton of connection power... It's a ruthless business.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 3:39 PM
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Exactly, and I'll bet that Dabo had no idea that Bate's following BV was in any advance plan. A smart HC never says that it's OK if you take one of my best DL coaches/recruiters that I have on the D side of the ball. And this appears to be the reason that BV has made all his love for Dabo, and Tiger nation public, in hoping to soften his knives in the back of Dabo, and the team easier on his character. Lets not forget, he also tried his best to take Goodwin with him also. And I guess BV's response to Goodwin for saying no, was to make it harder for him to be successful at Clemson.
If you really know anything about human nature at all, then you recognize that BV's only care is about how successful he can be at Oklahoma, and that Clemson is in his past, and he has no concern about Clemson's future. It seems like he is out to prove that the only reason that Dabo has been so successful was bc of him, and what he brought to Clemson, and he has no problems with taking any part of what was with him at Clemson, with him to Oklahoma, and you better believe that is exactly how I see it bc, I've seen it happen many times in my 69 years of life.
And anybody that has been observant of people, and what they're capable of to make it work for themselves when they're finished with who ever helped them along the way. They can be, and most of the time they are Dixie Crystal with their ruthlessness to achieve their own success regardless!!!
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Orange Blooded [2121]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 4:06 PM
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Right and Venables is on my #### list now. He doesn't care one iota about Clemson anymore.
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Orange Blooded [2384]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 5:03 PM
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Yeah... I saw this attitude in the video of Venables on the plane in Anderson before they left... he put on the Oklahoma cap and said, "let's get going... I'm outta here."
I was really disappointed in his attitude, but figured that he was just trying to express excitement about his new challenge. Some of his "poaching" since then has led me to believe differently. Again, he disappointed me in this regard. I still appreciate all he did for Clemson and that won't change. But, I would hasten to point out to him that "what goes around comes around."
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Legend [6760]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:06 PM
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Why? Seriously why?
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110%er [3694]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:09 PM
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He wants to be a DC
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Ring of Honor [21640]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:10 PM
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He’s not going to be the DC at OU either they have already named one, basically a middle finger to Dabo
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National Champion [7528]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:12 PM
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A middle finger to Dabo? Doubtful. Dabo was the one that believed enough in him to give him a job in the first place.
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Legend [6809]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:53 PM
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He’s not going to be the DC at OU either they have already named one, basically a middle finger to Dabo
He's literally been named the co-DC. What are you talking about?
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:12 PM
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Exactly. I hate this but it’s a Pretty good promotion and Roof is close to retirement age. With Dabo promoting Conn and Goodwin he got passed over to some degree. I am glad we kept Reid.
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Game Changer [1608]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:11 PM
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Better opportunities. Salary? Coordinator? Help valued friend. Todd Bates loves the Lord. Guaranteed he had great peace making this move.
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Paw Warrior [4718]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 8:15 PM
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Roadapple BS
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CU Guru [1251]
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Congratulations Mr. Bates
Jan 3, 2022, 1:11 PM
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and thank you for everything you've done for Clemson University.
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Tiger Spirit [9550]
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Vert de Ferk???
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Jan 3, 2022, 1:11 PM
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Why???
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Valley Protector [1443]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:12 PM
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WOW. No loyalty here.
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Rival Killer [2904]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:26 PM
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Thanks Coach Bates for all that you have done for the program and good luck. Now, can this storm please go away!!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:18 PM
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It’s cool. Dabo will promote the equipment manager because he’s a hard worker and a Clemson grad. He’s paid his dues. The d line won’t miss a beat.
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Tiger Spirit [9550]
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Well… we lost our DL coach after winning the 2016 title
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Jan 3, 2022, 1:21 PM
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and were somehow able to recover and win another one.
Dabo will make a great hire.
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Orange Blooded [3247]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:21 PM
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David, did you put the words “Norman” and “Bates” side by side on purpose? I think you did it on purpose.
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All-Time Great [91249]
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The Ok fans will like this hire a lot better than they liked
Jan 3, 2022, 1:21 PM
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the Ted Roof hire.
Good luck Coach Bates.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:21 PM
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:27 PM
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I would love to see this plan Dabo has. Feels like we are as far away from a championship as we were in 2007. Program is feeling very stale. But I hope things turn around. Go Tigers
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Orange Blooded [2693]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:33 PM
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Good Luck Coach Bates and thanks for all you did for Clemson
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National Champion [8064]
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Good Luck Coach Bates
Jan 3, 2022, 6:00 PM
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Wish him well!
On to what's next ya'll! He is a huge loss because he is a good coach and even better recruiter! But, Clemson is too established to let this stop us!
He will be hard to replace, but the only way to make new friends of the program is to try! Dabo has a lot of work to do and is probably as excited going into the offseason as he has been in some time. Excited/nervous/anxious all of that! But, he's proven he can handle it and is built for the moment. It would surprise me if this wasn't planned for in some form/fashion.
Go Tigers! Let's find another lead recruiter! The Clemson brand is still strong and should help a lot.
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Re: Good Luck Coach Bates and Dabo
Jan 4, 2022, 1:55 PM
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Go Tigers! we lost 2 fantastic coaches who were great recruiters but we need to have faith in Dabo who made these 2 hires in the first place! And remain positive! Since we are supposed to be All In!
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:42 PM
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10-3 season with a top five defense and we are back to 2007? Wow. The 3 losses... 7 points to a team that is playing for the title, a double OT loss on the road when Ross could have tied that game, and a 10 point loss on the road in a game that could have been completely different is Shipley doesn't drop the wide open TD. We are no where close to 2007. If we improve QB play a little we are back in the title game. People forget that Bama lost to A&M, and almost lost to Florida and Auburn... Both are terrible teams... And they are in the title game. Clemson is much closer than you think.
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Associate AD [1033]
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Amen!!***
Jan 3, 2022, 4:07 PM
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 1:30 PM
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FWIW, this change waited until after the early recruiting / first signing day had ended.
It also waited until after the Cheez-It Bowl.
Had it been one of those 'Et tu, Brute?' moves on Dabo, then it would have taken place before the early signing day had taken place.
Not that it doesn't saugen (feel free to look up the German translation).
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Not surprising, since I’m sure he wanted to be DC and was passed over
Jan 3, 2022, 1:35 PM
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by two others on the staff.
Stinks to lose him though, because he is a good recruiter and nice guy.
I wish him all the best at Oklahoma.
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Re: Not surprising, since I’m sure he wanted to be DC and was passed over
Jan 3, 2022, 1:43 PM
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Yes,despite all the superlatives about Goodwin,Bates had paid his dues and was a blessing to the Clemson defense.As for Conn,I think it was one of the dumbest things Dabo could do,handing that job over to an unproven friend. I don't care WHAT he did at Grayson.So,if I was Bates,I probably would have been pissed also,and now he gets a great job elsewhere.The same man who builds a dynasty can also make it crumble.Fasten your seat belt,it's gonna get rough.Not etched in stone,but written in ink.
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Re: Not surprising, since I’m sure he wanted to be DC and was passed over
Jan 3, 2022, 1:58 PM
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Yeah he is Judge. It may not be over either. We still have Elliott out there putting together a team.
It's all about the Jimmy and Joes. BV just reeled in another great rb recruit. Meanwhile, we're looking at a 3* rb in Texas. Hopefully just a backup plan to ETN2. You can promote any GA to teach techniques... Bates/Venables/Elliott were monster recruiters and that's what it all boils down to. Hence, so many posters wanting big name replacements.
And no, roster management is NOT the same thing.
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Easy come, easy go***
Jan 3, 2022, 1:48 PM
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Orange Blooded [2458]
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Shoulda given him co-DC
Jan 3, 2022, 1:51 PM
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Seems like he’s the best recruiter and the best position coach on staff. I’m sure Conn is great, but was/is he likely to go somewhere else? Hopefully some good news to come on recruits and on who fills this position
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Orange Phenom [14700]
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Re: Shoulda given him co-DC
Jan 3, 2022, 1:53 PM
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Shoulda given him co-DC
Jan 3, 2022, 1:51 PM
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Seems like he’s the best recruiter and the best position coach on staff. I’m sure Conn is great, but was/is he likely to go somewhere else? Hopefully some good news to come on recruits and on who fills this position
SO ASST HEAD COACH JUST NOT ENOUGH HUH. SMFH
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Orange Blooded [2458]
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Re: Shoulda given him co-DC
Jan 3, 2022, 2:20 PM
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Guess not. Seems like this dude might have been the most talented position coach and recruiter on staff. From outside looking in, I’d have taken him over conn
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Playmaker [350]
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Here’s an idea…
Jan 3, 2022, 6:00 PM
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Maybe Dabo knows something we don’t know? Maybe there’s a reason Dabo didn’t promote Bates to DC? But what am I thinking? Tigernet posters know a lot more than our 2 time natty champ, 150 game winning, 10 consecutive 10 win season coach.
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Orange Blooded [2458]
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Re: Here’s an idea…
Jan 4, 2022, 8:08 AM
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I love Dabo, and I’m pulling for him, but it is possible for him to be wrong and speculating on that possibility seems fair.
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All-TigerNet [5891]
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So the other day someone here said they had heard this…
Jan 3, 2022, 1:58 PM
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…. And a lot of you roasted them. Sometimes someone on here WILL know more than you. What the heck happened to civility?? I can’t find the OP, but I hope each of you find that post and offer them your apology. Won’t hold my breath.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 2:11 PM
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That sucks. It came at a bad time, right after we offer Christen Miller. Well we will see how that plays out now.
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Clemson Sports Icon [55504]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 2:23 PM
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Yes it will be very interesting. Oklahoma wasn't making any headway with him. Hopefully many understand recruiting takes months of relationships. UGA seemed like a lock but we must have received some positive feedback... And imo it was Bates working it hard.
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WILL POWER??
Jan 3, 2022, 2:13 PM
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So is Dabo going to name Will Swinney or Will Spiers as the new DL coach? They both are solid in the nepotism tree!
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Re: WILL POWER??
Jan 3, 2022, 2:53 PM
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Soon to be announced: "introducing our next DL coach..... James Skalski"
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Re: WILL POWER??
Jan 3, 2022, 4:53 PM
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I'll accept that!! ???? he knows as much about the defense as all the coaches!!
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Team Captain [453]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 2:18 PM
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Does Dabo go poach Chavis back from Venables???
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Letterman [290]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 2:27 PM
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Nick Saban on poaching coaches (2019):
Nick Saban: “What I have a tough time with, aight, is we’ve had however many guys who have worked here who are at Georgia, Tennessee — whoever, wherever — is when they get those jobs, and in most cases you’ve helped them, is they have a hard time understanding why they can’t take your people. I’m gonna help you get a job, [only] so that you can take what I’ve tried to build here and destroy the continuity of what I have? It’s amazing how some of the assistants don’t understand why that’s not a good thing.”
Bill Belichick on poaching coaches (2019):
“Look, I’m happy for the people that have worked hard for me to get opportunities. I want to see them build their own program. When they try to tear down our program, that’s kind of where the line, I feel like, gets crossed.”
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 2:33 PM
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wow - this is a huge blow for us to recover from in the face of so many players and coaches moving on - sure wish we could have kept him!
So much for BV telling players and coaches to stay put and his not stealing them...I guess that orange turned to red pretty quickly!
Can't blame BV though - he has a job to keep too and got a great person and coach!
You do have to wonder, however, why we couldn't keep him? The money is certainly there with the decrease in salaries for the OC/DC!
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Whelp, I can't blame Bates for leaving.
Jan 3, 2022, 2:35 PM
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If I was him I would have absolutely taken it as a gut punch for me to do all I did for the university and being one of 2 qualified candidates (Mike Reed & Bates) and both being passed over for co DC & it be given to Conn who is far less qualified but better buddies with Dabo. I'm all for Wes but it should've been Wes & Bates or Wes & Reed. Just really sad that we are losing him
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Orange Blooded [2179]
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Re: Whelp, I can't blame Bates for leaving.
Jan 3, 2022, 4:33 PM
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How is Conn buddies with Dabo?
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All-American [560]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 2:41 PM
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This should not come as a surprise. After being passed over by 2 less qualified coaches (in terms of ability to recruit and develop players, actual playing experience big time college & nfl) what did you expect. I was quite surprised when I heard CDS, Godwin and Conn all say CDS had basically told them years ago he envisioned them as Co-DC's. It appears he didn't let Bates know about this part of his future coaching plan and then to try to placate him by giving him a bullsh!+ title of Assistant HC. That was an insult. Now it will be interesting to see if there's a continuation of the Freinds and Family Plan for the next hire or what. Bates and CBV are some big shoes to fill when it comes to recruiting. This is going to be very interesting.
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Dynasty Maker [3329]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 2:55 PM
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As much as I like Dabo this friends and family thing is not a good look. Yes some is fine but it is extreme now in the number of them. The topper was Conn though. If I was Dabo and even suspected it may be possible I would lose Bates if he wasn’t named a DC I would have gave it to him over Conn to keep him. So much for Venables not poaching! I like him too but it’s getting a little less every time we lose someone to him. This is a big loss but I can’t blame Bates.
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Head Coach [974]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 4:02 PM
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I don't know that BV poached him as much as Bates probably called him and said, I'm leaving Clemson, I'd love to come work for you if you have a spot open.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 8:14 PM
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Im starting to have a problem with several things and I get attacked all the time for it. 1. this friends and family thing as you call it is getting tiresome. 2. I am tired of recruiting who Dabo feels will fit Clemson's program and when something happens like they decommit then we rush to find someone else. Alabama, Georgia, Ohio St, etc offers every 5 and 4 star. They know they wont get them all but if they get some thats better than none. 3. This culture is nice, the relationships are nice, the family atmosphere is nice, but winning is better. Saban has it figured out, he does not care about culture, family, etc, he cares about winning and thats what he is paid to do. I do not want to hear people complaining when we are 9-3 again next year. I hear everyday about how Clemson is done, Clemson dynasty is over, and if we do not recruit like AL, GA, OSU, LSU, etc then they maybe right.
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Dynasty Maker [3331]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 9:10 PM
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Less qualified? Are you in the meetings? Are you at practice? Do you work for the program?
Thought not. None of us know who was the most qualified because we do not work with them day to day. Looked to me like Wes did a pretty darn good job the other night and Conn has allot of coaching experience. I would not say this is Dabo choosing friends.
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Starter [288]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 3:03 PM
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I believe Bates was a good coach and recruiter, but do you remember who he replaced? Most thought we were in trouble. I'll believe Dabo has a plan until he shows me that he does. BTW, I think Godwin did a very good job in his first game.
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Game Day Hero [4283]
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No chance that Dabo and BV had not discussed this prior
Jan 3, 2022, 3:38 PM
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Just no chance that BV would snag anyone off Dabo’s team without discussing it with him first. That fact would mean that Dabo already has a plan.
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110%er [3852]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 4:31 PM
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perfect timing with will graduating. 
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MVP [504]
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He's gone. Bye! This article
Jan 3, 2022, 4:49 PM
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promoting this man is only ammo for others against Clemson. Just say he's moved on and leave it at that.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 4:52 PM
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To me, this is the equivalent of losing Jeff Scott. High energy guy, great recruiter who players love. Bigger blow than losing TE. I had hoped when he got a bigger title this issue had been put to bed. Apparently not. BV is doing a lot of the things Dabo used to do before he became "famous."
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Orange Blooded [2395]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 5:14 PM
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Et tu Brute? That probably was not expected. I wonder if he felt slighted by not getting the nod over Conn. I just hope we go out and hire a great candidate. I think all of our D analysts and grad assts. have been promoted to FT staff jobs or gone to OK.
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Paw Warrior [4632]
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No way to cut it, this one hurts
Jan 3, 2022, 5:19 PM
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He was our best recruiter and a doggone good DL coach. Wonder why Venables didn’t want Lemanski Hall instead lol. Oh well…hopefully Dabo has a plan
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Re: No way to cut it, this one hurts
Jan 3, 2022, 5:34 PM
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One thing no one is talking about is the 2022 D-Line recruiting... There is no one signed. A lot of misses. Regarding the OU hiring, I highly doubt Dabo was unaware of this. And it's entirely possible that Dabo was ok with it, gave his blessing, and wanted to find a new DL coach himself. We'll have to wait to see what Dabs has to say in his next presser.
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Freshman [0]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 5:44 PM
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Man ole man we sure are losing alot of very important pieces of our staff. This is very worrisome.
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Playmaker [358]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 6:35 PM
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Dadgummit. What a great coach and man he is. He will do great there. Wish him the best. Wish we had locked him up somehow but he had to feel passed over. Don’t blame him.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 6:37 PM
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Truth is most of us never heard of Bates before Dabo hired him. Now we are sure we’ll never survive his leaving and Dabo doesn’t know what he’s doing. Relax. Folks, this happens in successful organizations all the time. You have a great team, but you can’t promote everyone. I’m sure Dabo considered what would happen if he named Goodwin as DC vs. Bates. He chose Goodwin and Bates is moving on. I have no idea if we could get him, but I’d love to get Brentson Bucker as Bates replacement.
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Solid Orange [1325]
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 7:07 PM
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Wonder if Nick Eason has his bags packed yet? I would think he would be Dabos first call. Loved BV but not happy at all about him grabbing so many of our coaches and even a recruit. Wouldn’t have expected that but CFBis did eat dog even if the dog you eat is the one that got you where you are.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 7:56 PM
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BV just lost his stud QB to the portal. All the dust will eventually settle. Dabo will find new good people cause CU is a great place for football and everything else.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 7:12 PM
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You know sometimes I just hate getting on tiger net even though I get tiger news you have to put up with all the negative crap that’s on here and sometimes you wonder if it’s worth it lol. You know year after year as much as I don’t like them Alabama has a great team and y’all want to know why it because they don’t put up with the fan base that we do nick has to hire new people about every year and yes I’ve seen him hire in house but the fans trust him ours just want to complain about a 10-3 season and that someone didn’t put a bandage on there boo-boo lol y’all need to get a grip and start trusting our head coach Dabo he’s brought a lot to Clemson and will bring a lot more if y’all will shut up!!!!!!
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Thank you Coach Bates
Jan 3, 2022, 7:25 PM
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We love you for all you are and have done during your time at Clemson.
You did a great job while here and the door should be open for your return should things work out that way in the future.
Good luck in your new place and thank you for the great influence you have given to so many young Clemson men during your time here.
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Crap. We’ll feel this one. Hate to lose Bates.***
Jan 3, 2022, 9:14 PM
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 3, 2022, 10:20 PM
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Are we still talking about Todd Bates?
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Realists or Orange colored glass wearers got to admit
Jan 4, 2022, 2:14 AM
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This one is going to hurt.
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Re: TNET: Clemson loses DL coach to Oklahoma
Jan 4, 2022, 8:28 AM
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Clemson might as well have sent yhe defensive coaches with Venables. Getting more than tired of seeing them going to Oklahoma. I think Venables would be looking elsewhere if he was appreciative of his years at Clemson (and his paycheck). I'm sure Dabo is pleased with Venables taking all of these coaches. A couple is understandable, but it has gotten past old in my opinion.
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