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Orange Immortal [61010]
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Re: Gallup: Americans give Biden negative ethics score ...
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Aug 3, 2023, 12:06 PM
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To me this is a non-story because
"Among Democrats, 84 percent rated the Biden administrations’ ethics as excellent or good, while only 6 percent of Republicans gave them that rating."
84% of democrats rate him good or excellent. Sheep. SMH.
This survey may as well have been are you republican or democrat.
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Orange Immortal [61010]
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Agree totally, and it highlights the chasm between how
Aug 3, 2023, 12:24 PM
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Pubs and Dems interpret the same reality. I attribute that primarily to the way the extremely biased and selective way "news" is presented and is carefully designed to present infotainment that appeals to target audiences, which reinforces preconceived ideas and biases of the masses. Academia also, more and more, tells our children, who eventually become adults, what to think instead of how to think. All of that has helped deepen and widen that chasm significantly over the last 30 years or so.
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All-TigerNet [11131]
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Because half the people believe the
Aug 3, 2023, 12:21 PM
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chit they say on foxnews. On the heels of the least ethical administration in the history of the country, this is just silly.
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Orange Immortal [61010]
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And the other half believes the chit most mainstream
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Aug 3, 2023, 12:30 PM
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infotainment networks spin. The problem is that both "sides" are oblivious and in denial. "My side is the truth, and the other side is insane and spewing lies". The approach and methods are a little different, but people who can't see that both sides are just as guilty of spin and selectively reporting facts in an attempt to appeal to preexisting biases, as well as shape particular narratives and beliefs, are part of the problem.
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All-TigerNet [11131]
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MSM trope is old and not remotely applicable today. The
Aug 3, 2023, 12:43 PM
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conservative infotainment industry is roughly 15 times greater than their counterparts on the left, and has become the MSM for the right. Don’t see many Huffpo articles here do you? I don’t. The simple fact is the last administration was the most corrupt in the history of the country and America and the GOP need to move on.
What I wouldn’t give for a candidate, L or R, to enter the fray with the message that this partisan bickering is idiotic and detrimental to our country. Politicians that continue to to engage in it should be voted out. We have serious financial issues to deal with as a government and a country and we’re going to go about the business of dealing with it, Republicans and Democrats alike. You wanna b1ch? Book your time on foxnews or with Rachel whatsername, but GT FO the way of real people wanting go to work.
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Orange Immortal [61010]
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All major networks aside from FOX present a left leaning
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Aug 3, 2023, 12:57 PM
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perspective and spin a left leaning narrative. There is no question about that. People who lean left are happy with that narrative, and most are totally blind to the bias. For those on the right, FOX is the only major option to have their biases reinforced, and hear a narrative that appeals to them. No trope, no mystery, no question.
While political and ideological differences are natural and should and always have been highlighted during election cycles, it's far worse than ever, thanks to the dishonest way news has become infotainment and is presented to the masses. I believe that Americans on all sides have far more in common than they realize, and I agree with you that that should be emphasized. I'd love to see a candidate do that so we can work on and learn to live with our differences. Such a candidate would be a hero in my eyes.
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All-TigerNet [11131]
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Still BS on media and foxnews is cancer to American media.
Aug 3, 2023, 1:30 PM
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Wasn’t that bad while Roger Ailes was still alive, but the Murdochs have taken it WAY off the rails. Good on the rest.
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Orange Immortal [61010]
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I fully acknowledge that FOX is biased and part of the
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Aug 3, 2023, 2:00 PM
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problem. The huge steaming pile of BS is not acknowledging the left bias of the other major news outlets, and the major role they play in the widening division in our country.
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All-TigerNet [11131]
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It’s because it’s not there. There is no entity on the left
Aug 3, 2023, 2:26 PM
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side that is the counterpart to fox. MSN might try, but they ain’t chit.
Remember those red vs blue geographic voting maps that showed the vast swaths of America as red? Those are TV markets, too. There is no viewership to drive any kind of left lean on the three networks, zero. It may have been true 20-30 years ago, but certainly not now.
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Orange Immortal [61010]
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Well. CNN and MSNBC are every bit as focused on promoting
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Aug 3, 2023, 3:11 PM
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a left leaning narrative and every bit as biased to the left as FOX is to the right. The traditional major networks, like NBC, CBS, and ABC lean decidedly left in almost every way, but their bias is not as overt as the ones just mentioned. While I think they do make some effort to at least appear neutral, they are not in the end; their message and presentation reflects a clear left bias. In print media, almost all major newspapers lean decidedly left - it's documented and undeniable.
FOX stands out because they are the only major right biased network, they are openly biased, and they have a huge following because there is no real competition on that side. 80-90% of all other relevant news outlets lean left. There is no FOX equivelent on the left in that sense because the left is split up amongst many, many outlets, outlets which vary in how open and overt they are with their bias.
So, while there may be no direct equivelent to FOX on the left, one which is both openly and unapologetically left biased AND has as huge and loyal of a following equal to FOX's, almost everybody that matters besides FOX leans left, and spins everything that way to one degree or another.
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Disagree….decidedly. Cheers. Go all Tigers.***
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Aug 3, 2023, 3:26 PM
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Orange Immortal [61010]
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Go all tigers!***
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Aug 3, 2023, 3:28 PM
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Lefty media owned it all, but screwed up
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Aug 3, 2023, 5:56 PM
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The leftist TV cable networks succeeded in discrediting themselves with hyperbolic leftist coverage. All but the most radical among the left leaning viewers abandoned those blatantly leftist cable outlets. Ergo, the collapse in leftist cable news networks, which (prior Fox to firing T.Carlson) had combined ratings less than those at Fox News.
The ‘middle Americans’ drifted back to the liberal slanted traditional ‘Big 3’ news. Many politically aware consumers have already moved to streaming channels for news.
The rise in conservative streaming networks has been assisted by FoxNews’ overbearing management, which has forbidden their on -air talent from openly expressing anti-vax sentiments or for providing news analysis that is favorable to Trump. Rupert Murdoch began hating Trump very shortly after the 2016 election … when the criticism of Trump had centered around the Russia Hoax was the ‘worst’ thing of which Trump was being accused at the time. The rift between Grump and Murdoch have been rumored to be around a favor that Murdoch had expected to be returned in exchange for FoxNews’ vigorous support of Trump’s 2016 campaign.
FoxNews has been anti-Trump since early 2017, although they remain anti-Democrat as always.
FoxNews is now in decline as their ‘pay to play’ ethics have been exposed. FoxNews base has split, with a growing portion of their historical audience going to streaming outlet NewsMax. The lefty cable news outlets continue to take on water. CNN briefly dared to break ranks and attempt to recover market share under Chris Licht’s management; when he attempted to drive CNN to reverting to a more centrist reporting regimen, CNN’s dozens of remaining viewers became outraged and Mr. Licht got fired.
The lesson here is that Americans have wisened up to news outlets that are so blatant in their reporting agendas that their news in effect becomes untruthful.
Lefty leaning news media screwed up their monopoly in the open market; their best market plan moving forward is to de platform news outlets that expose their dishonesty.
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Re: It’s because it’s not there. There is no entity on the left
Aug 3, 2023, 8:51 PM
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side that is the counterpart to fox. MSN might try, but they ain’t chit.
Remember those red vs blue geographic voting maps that showed the vast swaths of America as red? Those are TV markets, too. There is no viewership to drive any kind of left lean on the three networks, zero. It may have been true 20-30 years ago, but certainly not now.
This is a crazy man talking
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Until Trump is gone, you won't see many quality candidates
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Aug 3, 2023, 1:00 PM
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willing to step into the gutter with him. Laws, ethics and norms serve only to limit his opponents. Nothing is beneath him.
Once he's gone, we'll see better candidates on both sides of the aisle.
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He's calling for everyone else to step down, but he's the
Aug 3, 2023, 3:25 PM
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one that needs to step down and back somebody else (or not).
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Re: Until Trump is gone, you won't see many quality candidates
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Any person who suggests that Trump needs to go away before insisting the same about Biden is a hopeless partisan.
Utterly discredited.
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I want Trump to go away because he will lose again for
Aug 3, 2023, 7:29 PM
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the same reason he lost before - people will turn out in droves to make sure he's not elected, and the result will be another 4 years of Biden or his replacement.
I still have hope for a republican that is strong and sticks to conservative values and policies, but can get the country back on the path to healing the division in our country. If Trump does somehow get elected, he only makes the division much worse, and as much as I like a lot of his policies and positions, any such success will be tainted by the crazy and division his presidency will certainly bring.
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How do they rate Trump by comparison?***
Aug 3, 2023, 12:59 PM
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Slightly worse. Sorta like rating cancer worse than
Aug 3, 2023, 1:57 PM
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alzheimers. Hardly a victory for alzheimers.
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Re: Gallup: Americans give Biden negative ethics score ...
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Aug 3, 2023, 3:32 PM
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Don't know about his entire administration, but it's pretty clear to non morons that the Bidens are one of the least ethical political families ever.
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